Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Friend]

Why would a townie be uninvestigateable?

[Andrius]

Huh. I would have assumed that the Don's Sons were the recruiters. Although, remembering the cult roles in Lost Boys mafia, outguessing the mod here may be tricky.

Do you know what would happen if you investigated the don's sons? Would you die? Or are they investigative immune? Because if you would die if you investigated them, that's something we'd want to know now.

How I see it, the recruiters could either be the Sons or some other scum-member, like a Soldado who recruits on behalf of the Son.

I don't know what will happen to me if I investigate one of the Sons, but there are unspecified "consequences" if I do. I'm thinking:

• I die
  
• They are made aware the fact that I targeted them with some sort of ability
  
• They are told my role and alignment
  
• They could be Godfathers (but if they start out as one-man mafia factions then I'm completely useless until N1/N2, depending on how the NAR work)

[dramonic]

Holster
Aim: ReaperCharlie

Seriously Andrius, you get likely 3rd party result and you DON'T vote him 0_o

[Andrius]

RC is fending for himself.
While I'd like to try a RC lynch, see if I'm Sane or not, or if he is indeed 3rd party or not, he's probably town, as we're all fending for ourselves, aren't we?

I'm going to stop myself before I jump into Mod-WIFOM territory.

[Yosarian2]

Uh...I'm really confused now, Andrius. I thought earlier in the day you said you got an innocent. What was your result, exactly, and do you know what it means? If you're unclear, you should PM the mod for clarification.

[Andrius]

Uh...I'm really confused now, Andrius. I thought earlier in the day you said you got an innocent. What was your result, exactly, and do you know what it means? If you're unclear, you should PM the mod for clarification.

I just PM'd Flay.
I feel dumb for not asking earlier. I just assumed it meant town.
BUT the flavor of the result made it look like he couldn't have been Investigation Immune, so he's either town or 3rd party.

Or Flay is screwing with Andrius' (Super)Saintly patience.

[Andrius]

Tagfail.

[ReaperCharlie]

rofl. you knocked me out? curse you, that's why my head hurts!

friend is beginning to swing back to scum. and i was so proud of my town read on him, too. boo.

[ReaperCharlie]

And yes, I am in fact a townie. I was trying to WIFOM it so I could draw a night kill but there's not much chance of that now is there.

[Friend]

I don't understand how that result was on a townie, that's all.

[xvart]

happy mafia day, xvart.
what do i need to explain?
i'm willing to answer anything that will be productive for the town.

When you said "

if you do not believe me, give me time to explain myself better before the hammer. i do not believe andrius whatsoever. he is a recruiter.

" I took that as you could explain yourself better. I was just asking you to do so now as opposed to waiting until someone was about to hammer you.

I really don't think the Furcolow wagon is good. Funnily, it's comprised of almost all older players (MS vets). I'm not sure if that's a sign of lack of experience with VIs more than anything else but it's interesting.

Huh? The older players have a lack of experience with VIs? Wouldn't they have more experience with them?

So what's wrong with the dram wagon again?
I believe Andrius' claim.

Well, besides lynching a claimed powerrole, his claim is a testable by setting him up as the bodyguard for Andrius, who is a claimed cop (of sorts). If Andrius dies tonight and dram is still alive tomorrow then we lynch him.

is it because I'm scum? no. I wouldn't have a wagon on me if I was.

You wouldn't have a wagon on you if you were scum? Scum get wagonned all the time; that is how they get lynched.

i also do not understand why dramonic should bodyguard andrius.

Do you understand what a bodyguard does? Their job is to protect powerroles from dying by guarding them. If scum send in a kill order on Andrius and dram guards him, dram takes the bullet and dies, leaving our claimed cop alive another night.

there is likely a town roleblocker/jailkeeper in my opinion, the more i'm thinking about setup

What's your point?

I am against lynching RC solely on the fact that he is friendly towards me, but if you all want to, I'm not going to chainsaw him or anything as I am not a mason with him and I have no knowledge of his role as I did not have any investigation n0 or anything.

Because scum never act nice to players of different alignment?

Holster
Aim: ReaperCharlie

Seriously Andrius, you get likely 3rd party result and you DON'T vote him 0_o

dramonic

- you are going to guard Andrius tonight. Yes or No???

xvart.

[dramonic]

depends, am I getting lynched?

[Yosarian2]

depends, am I getting lynched?

If you want to not get lynched, you need to make absolutely clear that you're protecting Andreius tonight, with the understanding that if he dies you'll get lynched tommorow. Yes or no?

[dramonic]

I will protect him. However keep in mind I'm an outed power roles, there's something called a roleblocker that could make Andrius die through me.

[Chronopie]

The chances of Dram being Roleblocked today/tonight is lower than it would be any other night.

--

Assuming that Dram is town (high probability):

a) Andrius lives, gives us an investigation, Dram dies protecting him or dies bc he's targeted.
b) Andrius lives, Dram lives bc the scum go after someone else.

c) Andrius dies, bc Dram was rb'ed (low probability). In this case we'd mislynch Dram tomorrow.
d) Both Andrius and Dram die, due to Andrius being targeted by both scumteams (? - Speculation that Dram is only good for one kill)

Assuming Dram Scum (Low probability):

a) Andrius dies, Dram lives. => we lynch Dram tomorrow
b) Andrius dies, Dram dies. We can assume that the other team took Dram out.
c) Andrius lives, Dram lives. We can assume scum chose not to shoot @ Andrius.

--

But as I said, we

should

be able to get at least one more investigation out of Andrius.
[wifom]It may be the last reliable investigation out of him, as he is probably a decent recruitment possibility.

Even if he's recruited, he may still be willing to hand over the other scumteam though.[/wifom]

[animorpherv1]

Honestly, since we do have multiple recruiters, I wouldn't trust either of their words after today. Probability is higher that they will get recruited ow that they are outted Power Roles. RC lynch is stil la go, though.

holster; Aim: ReaperCharlie

[Andrius]

I will protect him. However keep in mind I'm an outed power roles, there's something called a roleblocker that could make Andrius die through me.

Pizza party at my place?

[Yosarian2]

I will protect him. However keep in mind I'm an outed power roles, there's something called a roleblocker that could make Andrius die through me.

Eh. I have strong doubts that it's at all likely that there's two scum groups, both of which start with a recruiter and with another scum power role like roleblocker.

I mean, again, outguessing the mod is damn dangerous, but if I was trying to design a setup with two cult recruiters in it, my first, second, and third thought would be "how can I possibly balance this setup to give town a chance in hell of winning", and my answer would not be "hey, why don't we throw in some scum roleblockers as well".

We'll see. At the moment, it's not high on my list of concerns.

Honestly, since we do have multiple recruiters, I wouldn't trust either of their words after today. Probability is higher that they will get recruited ow that they are outted Power Roles. RC lynch is stil la go, though.
holster; Aim: ReaperCharlie

Um...I'm pretty sure he's still our cop-confirmed innocent here, ani. I hate all this "third party" speculitive stuff, but Andrius sounded pretty sure from his night result that RC is not the cult recruiter, and that means we don't want to lynch him today.

[inHimshallibe]

Holster

[Erg0]

It sounds like Andrius is effectively a recruitCop, which would make "fending for himself" a reasonable result for someone who hadn't been culted. Unless the mod says otherwise, I don't think this makes RC a viable target.

I really don't think the Furcolow wagon is good. Funnily, it's comprised of almost all older players (MS vets). I'm not sure if that's a sign of lack of experience with VIs more than anything else but it's interesting.

This really makes no sense, if anything the wagon being comprised of vets would make it

more

likely to be accurate.

For more proof, just look at the awesome results that have been produced by the two wagons driven by "newer" players - one outed cop and one outed bodyguard. Good job, fellas.

[inHimshallibe]

It sounds like Andrius is effectively a recruitCop, which would make "fending for himself" a reasonable result for someone who hadn't been culted. Unless the mod says otherwise, I don't think this makes RC a viable target.

I really don't think the Furcolow wagon is good. Funnily, it's comprised of almost all older players (MS vets). I'm not sure if that's a sign of lack of experience with VIs more than anything else but it's interesting.

This really makes no sense, if anything the wagon being comprised of vets would make it

more

likely to be accurate.

For more proof, just look at the awesome results that have been produced by the two wagons driven by "newer" players - one outed cop and one outed bodyguard. Good job, fellas.

Oh boy do I not like the tone of this post.

I've had a gutread on you since early on.

Aim: Erg0

[Lord Gurgi]

inHim what part of that post do you dislike? I can't say I disagree with any of the points he made.

[zwetschenwasser]

You guys aren't calculating that I'm a vigilante, and that I'm planning on vindictively shooting dramonic tonight.

[inHimshallibe]

inHim what part of that post do you dislike? I can't say I disagree with any of the points he made.

None of it. But, particularly?

For more proof, just look at the awesome results that have been produced by the two wagons driven by "newer" players - one outed cop and one outed bodyguard. Good job, fellas.

Throws out a bunch of blame, but doesn't really do anything about it. Seems content to point fingers in the face of miswagons.

[inHimshallibe]

You guys aren't calculating that I'm a vigilante, and that I'm planning on vindictively shooting dramonic tonight.

The sadist in me hopes this is all true.