Mini 1034 - Castlevania Mafia (Game Over)

[zwetschenwasser]

you're just trying to find an explanation, no matter how unlikely, to save yourself. I see it all the time.

[Coach Travis]

I just don't want to get lynched for no reason other than an investigation claim which I know is either fake or was messed up somehow, and feel I at least deserve one more day to prove my innocence. I've been far more consistent than you this game, voicing my suspicion of you the whole game even when others were leaving you alone, but not tunneling because I accept it's possible you are just a bad townie. And then you just randomly come in and make that claim with no hint to suggest you'd do that, because you were never all that suspicious of me before. I just think it would be such a lame reason to be lynched over, especially when I have a plan that could prove you innocent if you are in fact innocent.

[Kdub]

Vote Count

LynchMePls (0)

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SpyreX (0)

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jenniwren (0)

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Katsuki (1)

- Dekes

Dekes (0)

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Coach Travis (4)

- zwetschenwasser, tanstalas, jenniwren, SpyreX

zwetschenwasser (0)

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McGriddle (2)

- Katsuki, Coach Travis

VasudeVa (0)

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tanstalas (0)

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No Lynch (0)

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Not Voting (3)

- LynchMePls, McGriddle, VasudeVa

10 votes available, 6 votes needed to lynch.

Deadline is September 30, ~ 11 pm PDT.

[Katsuki]

Unvote, Vote CT

That's L1.

[Katsuki]

I just don't want to get lynched for no reason other than an investigation claim which I know is either fake or was messed up somehow, and feel I at least deserve one more day to prove my innocence. I've been far more consistent than you this game, voicing my suspicion of you the whole game even when others were leaving you alone, but not tunneling because I accept it's possible you are just a bad townie. And then you just randomly come in and make that claim with no hint to suggest you'd do that, because you were never all that suspicious of me before.

I just think it would be such a lame reason to be lynched over, especially when I have a plan that could prove you innocent if you are in fact innocent.

An easier one would be lynching you.

[Coach Travis]

Lynching me won't help with him, because when I inevitably turn up town, you'll be stuck having to consider both possibilities I mentioned, where I my plan would help us narrow things down, so we know what happened. I'm not scum, and lynching me just to confirm or deny his role as a cop simply isn't as effective as actually looking into him.

[Katsuki]

Would you like to propose any methods before you're hung?

[Coach Travis]

Well, my gut feeling is still that zwet is scum framing me, so I'd recommend lynching him once you see my flip. But as I said, using some type of investigative ability on him would be the best option, in case I'm wrong and the mafia did in fact do something to make the investigation go wrong. So really, without my tracking ability, it's a tricky situation to figure out. But obviously, if there's still some power out there that could help in this situation, I'd recommend using it, without giving yourself away.

[tanstalas]

Vote: Unvote

Just until everyone has a chance to weigh in. a cop CC would really throw a wrench into this

[jenniwren]

I can understand not wanting to lynch a claimed cop I guess, even though I don't believe in the claim in the least bit, because it's impossible to get a straight up scum read on me, I'm not a miller or anything like that. Until I can indisputably prove otherwise, I'm willing to at least consider that maybe he is a cop, and the mafia did something to make the investigation turn up that way, maybe did something to me so I'd turn up scum on an investigation, I know a power like that is not unheard of(I had it in my scum game).

Because I don't want to die, I propose a way out of this, so neither of us need to be lynched:I target him again tomorrow, and if he's still alive I wait until he reveals his investigation target and their alignment, then if my power actually works, I can confirm or deny his targeting that person. If it goes through and he targets no one and is alive, I assume he was blocked, and could be a cop, same thing for if we name the same person. If I get a different name than he lists, we can assume my first guess was right and he's lying. I'd much rather do this than have either of us lynched for now, since I know I'm town.

So, going with that, I'll

unvote

Vote:Mcgriddle

because he was my next suspect after zwet, and he too has contributed pretty much nothing to this game.

What could the mafia possibly do to you that would skew a cop read? They roleblocked you AND they made you appear to be mafia on the same night? Riiiight.

And your proposal has one huge flaw...it would STILL be your word against his. He could list any name and you could say you got a different one.

I don't think Zwet is scum framing you. I don't think he's an insane cop. I think he's EXACTLY who he says he is, and I think you're desperate to stay alive.

[Katsuki]

...

Yeah, you're getting rope.

Using some type of investigative ability on our investigator? SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN!!1!11!! Also, guess what your supposed tracking ability garnered us today? Nothing.

A Cop CC would be very interesting...

P-Edit: Jen nailed it on the "your word against his word".

[tanstalas]

What could the mafia possibly do to you that would skew a cop read? They roleblocked you AND they made you appear to be mafia on the same night? Riiiight.

And your proposal has one huge flaw...it would STILL be your word against his. He could list any name and you could say you got a different one.

I don't think Zwet is scum framing you. I don't think he's an insane cop. I think he's EXACTLY who he says he is, and I think you're desperate to stay alive.

So if CT gets lynched and flips town I assume you will be voting for zwet tomorrow? What if he says tomorrow "Oh - I must be an insane cop"

[jenniwren]

What about you, Tans? Why does who I vote for tomorrow have anything to do with this? I'll cross that bridge if I come to it, but right now, I think it's apparent CT is just fighting to stay alive. He sure is a popular guy at night, though, isn't he? I mean, he was RB'd, mysteriously given a false alignment by the mafia, and targeted by Zwet all in one night (Ask me which one of those three things I actually believe happened.).

Interesting, though, that you hop on his wagon to follow the cop then hop off when he hits L-1. I think caution is a good thing normally, but it only occurs to you NOW to bring up the idea of a CC?

[tanstalas]

What about you, Tans? Why does who I vote for tomorrow have anything to do with this? I'll cross that bridge if I come to it, but right now, I think it's apparent CT is just fighting to stay alive. He sure is a popular guy at night, though, isn't he? I mean, he was RB'd, mysteriously given a false alignment by the mafia, and targeted by Zwet all in one night (Ask me which one of those three things I actually believe happened.).

Interesting, though, that you hop on his wagon to follow the cop then hop off when he hits L-1. I think caution is a good thing normally, but it only occurs to you NOW to bring up the idea of a CC?

No - I thought that a CC would have happened by now, however the BW onto CT happened so fast he was already at hammer point without not everyone getting a chance to post. If he was to be hammered and someone came in during twilight and said "CC - I'm the cop" I'd feel pretty shitty. I think it is almost guaranteed that we have a cop-type role in this game.

And what do you mean about given a false alignment by the mafia? Do you mean that the mafia may have switched him as well thinking that a cop would investigate the "outed power role"?

I can see him actually being kept alive and RB'd instead of killing him. If you know what his ability is just RB him and kill someone else hoping that you get the cop or the doctor.

This is all a big theory, however if I was mafia and we had a bus driver AND a RB I think I would have done the exact same thing. RB the tracker and swap him with a scum buddy while killing another person hoping to get a doc or cop.

And I will kick myself in the ass if we lynch CT and he is town and then lynch zwet and he is town as well. Without knowing how many scum there are in the game 2 more mislynches could possibly be game over for us - so yes, I am being a little cautious now. As you can see from my above example (and I am sure there are other scenerios that I haven't even thought about) I do not think we should be too hasty to lynch someone. Would you disagree?

There is also the off-chance that someone had an ability that would clear CT or give us another suspect but

have not yet posted

. While I agree that CT should be the lynch for today - I want to hear from everyone before we lynch someone.

[Coach Travis]

[quote="jenniwren"] I think it's apparent CT is just fighting to stay alive. He sure is a popular guy at night, though, isn't he? I mean, he was RB'd, mysteriously given a false alignment by the mafia, and targeted by Zwet all in one night (Ask me which one of those three things I actually believe happened.).

If you read my posts correctly,you'd realize one of them was completely hypothetical, based off of a possibility where Zwet actually is a cop, which I don't believe, and so, the only night action I actually think happened out of those is the RB, which I'm fairly certain of. However, it's also a possibility I was targeted by UK, because she did think I was town, so it's not a stretch to think she came to the conclusion the mafia would want me lynched so they could remove a PR. I know the stupid tracking failure looks suspicious, but there's nothing I can do about it. RB's happen, and it did make sense for me to be the target of one.

[jenniwren]

And what do you mean about given a false alignment by the mafia? Do you mean that the mafia may have switched him as well thinking that a cop would investigate the "outed power role"?

Read the theories CT has posted about why Zwet may have gotten a guilty verdict. This is one of them.

This is all a big theory, however if I was mafia and we had a bus driver AND a RB I think I would have done the exact same thing. RB the tracker and swap him with a scum buddy while killing another person hoping to get a doc or cop.

Uh-huh. This is a pretty brazen comment to make since you think CT is still the best choice of the day.

So just for clarification, now...the list of things that could have happened to CT last night was that he was RB'd, swapped, protected by UK, and investigated by Zwet? (Oh yes, and he also targeted Zwet himself, however unsuccessful.) (Oh yes, and the one other thing is that CT is lying through his teeth?)

To quote Alice...things are getting "curiouser and curiouser." I'd love to hear from more people now.

[tanstalas]

Uh-huh. This is a pretty brazen comment to make since you think CT is still the best choice of the day.

So just for clarification, now...the list of things that could have happened to CT last night was that he was RB'd, swapped, protected by UK, and investigated by Zwet? (Oh yes, and he also targeted Zwet himself, however unsuccessful.) (Oh yes, and the one other thing is that CT is lying through his teeth?)

To quote Alice...things are getting "curiouser and curiouser." I'd love to hear from more people now.

He is still the best choice for the day. Like I said in my previous post I would like to give everyone the chance to weigh in on what has happened so far and also if they have any CC or reveals from a N1 ability that they could (or want to) share.

The tone I am getting from you indicates you would rather lynch him without letting everyone weigh in on what has happened.

[jenniwren]

The tone I am getting from you indicates you would rather lynch him without letting everyone weigh in on what has happened.

No. I want to hear from more people. I JUST said that in my last post.

I'd love to hear from more people now.

[LimMePls]

I can understand not wanting to lynch a claimed cop I guess, even though I don't believe in the claim in the least bit, because it's impossible to get a straight up scum read on me, I'm not a miller or anything like that. Until I can indisputably prove otherwise, I'm willing to at least consider that maybe he is a cop, and the mafia did something to make the investigation turn up that way, maybe did something to me so I'd turn up scum on an investigation, I know a power like that is not unheard of(I had it in my scum game).

Because I don't want to die, I propose a way out of this, so neither of us need to be lynched:I target him again tomorrow, and if he's still alive I wait until he reveals his investigation target and their alignment, then if my power actually works, I can confirm or deny his targeting that person. If it goes through and he targets no one and is alive, I assume he was blocked, and could be a cop, same thing for if we name the same person. If I get a different name than he lists, we can assume my first guess was right and he's lying. I'd much rather do this than have either of us lynched for now, since I know I'm town.

So, going with that, I'll

unvote

Vote:Mcgriddle

because he was my next suspect after zwet, and he too has contributed pretty much nothing to this game.

I was leaning towards voting CT given the claim, but this post seals the deal. Trying to start back up the other wagon because you can't get a wagon on the cop is hilarious. I knew I'd caught you as scum again. I should have listened to myself yesterday.

Unvote
Vote: CT

L-1

[Coach Travis]

@LMP:Prepare to be disappointed. You haven't caught scum here, just an innocent townie who was set up.

Anyway, I'm ready to be hammered, there's pretty much nothing more I can do at this point, so I'll take one for the team. Also, another strategy I forgot to mention, for someone who has a PR it may be worth targeting zwet just to see if it goes through. That will determine whether I was RB'd, or if it was from zwet's side that my power failed. Aside from that, I still think zwet is scum, so go after him.

[VasudeVa]

McG hasn't spoken up yet, soo we'll wait for him. I'm willing to hammer if McG is unwilling to bus.

Also, what is/was CT's plan in #626?

[SpyreX]

Its moot yo. Let the hammer fall.

[tanstalas]

McG hasn't spoken up yet, soo we'll wait for him. I'm willing to hammer if McG is unwilling to bus.

Also, what is/was CT's plan in #626?

We also have not heard from Dekes since the cop claim

[Dekes]

Its moot yo. Let the hammer fall.

Why?

If we believe zwet's nameclaim why don't we believe his roleclaim he gave us at the very beginning. He could be a lyncher after all with CT being his target (and I can't believe especially jenni hasn't thought of this yet <- ongoing game). I admit it doesn't make sense in that zwet didn't push for a CT lynch at all on D1 and hinted straight away on D2 that he has info to share with town.
However, after re-reading zwet's iso he keeps saying that he's not suspicious of CT at all. He's suspecting tans, MPR and UK. So, zwet, why did you investigate CT, a claimed tracker over one of your suspects?

I'm still extremely suspicious of CT (and his defence didn't help either). But I'm almost equally suspicious of zwet('s claim).

So, we have a claimed tracker and we have a claimed cop with a guilty on the claimed tracker. Why don't we give them another Night to see how true those claims are. If zwet dies tonight (which is to be expected with a claimed cop and a protective role dead) and flips cop, CT gets lynched tomorrow. If zwet doesn't die he should have another result to share with us. So should CT as a tracker. I think it's best to leave this subject for tomorrow before we lose a PR carelessly.

@VV
I still think tans is a SK, not mafia.

@Katsuki
Like I said I only skimmed the thread. Should've maybe held back with my quick vote, but it's still a post I'll remember if/when we see CT flip.

Since we don't seem to have a vig and tans doesn't want to kill to expose his SK role I'll go ahead and

Unvote; Vote: McG

Yep, trying to revive a wagon on a lurker. Dude needs to talk. Wouldn't be opposed to a tans lynch as well.

[Katsuki]

So you're basically suspicious about the both of them, but willing to give it a night to resolve itself? BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD idea...

If CT comes out again tomorrow with no results, then what? and if zwet lives, it'll be a repeat of today all over again...