Open 236 - Pamplona Mafia (C9++) Game Over

[yabbaguy]

I should just quit. I've been on this site for a fucking year and I can't catch obvhammering scum. Why did I base it off of that one vote, why did I do... everything. I went through the whole topic and I wound up picking Fonz. That proves I cannot play this game.

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[The Fonz]

My bloody endgame record strikes again. Oh well, with yabba tunnelling me, guess whatever i did didn't matter.

[yabbaguy]

You wouldn't have picked me if you were the confirmed Town in LyLo. I was in a catch-22 too.

[yabbaguy]

But serious about the opinion-changing remark, I don't know how to change my mind without it being called scummy.

[Alduskkel]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeessss.

Man that was so lucky and yet also so unlucky. Freaking even game, I'd say. I was REALLY worried when I got NK'd 'cause let's face it, I was the towniest looking scum. When you look at the night actions though, it was actually kind of surprising that I lived to N2!

Very interesting game to play in and watch. GG all. Thanks to Nobody Special for modding.

See if you can guess which scum member was which role. I think mine is fairly obvious

Also, I wonder who the Millers were?

[drmyshottyizsik]

SEEEEEEEEEEEE Net was f*cking scum

[Nobody Special]

Night Zero Actions:

Vig (Zajnet) No Action
Maf Blocker (Netlava) Block ekiM
Doc (ekiM) Protect The Fonz
One-Shot Vig (Socrates) None submitted
Maf Godfather (kyle99) Kill Socrates
Mafia Spy (Alduskkel) Investigate Ythan
Cop (Ythan) Investigate Alduskkel


Night One Actions:

Vig (Zajnet) Kill Dry-fit
Maf Blocker (Netlava) Blocking Dry-fit
Doc (ekiM) Protecting The Fonz
Maf Godfather (Prox; was kyle99) Kills Ythan
Mafia Spy (Alduskkel) Investigates yabbaguy
Cop (Ythan) None submitted

Night Two Actions:

Vig (Zajnet) Kills Alduskkel
Maf Blocker (Netlava) Blocks The Fonz
Doc (ekiM) Protects yabbaguy
Maf Godfather (Prox; was kyle99) Kills Zajnet
Mafia Spy (Alduskkel) Investigates ekiM


Night Three actions:

Maf Blocker (Netlava) Blocks The Fonz; kills ekiM
Doc (ekiM) Protects no one

[Nobody Special]

Also, I wonder who the Millers were?

Why do you think there were Millers?

[Alduskkel]

For some reason I was mixed up on the number of Ts.

Glad there wasn't an SK, though.

[Socrates]

Why was I shot? Doesn't anybody love me?

[Alduskkel]

I think kyle99 had a high opinion of your play so he wanted to shoot you.

I can just post the quicktopic if that's okay.

[Nobody Special]

For the record, the setup was CC DD VV T (but I think most of you have figured that out already).

And posting the Mafia QT is fine if all the Mafia agree.

Since this was my first ever Mod Game, I welcome feedback, positive and negative.

[Netlava]

I'm fine with the quicktopic being posted.

[ekiM]

Thanks to Nobody Special for :goodmodding:, and everyone else who played and tried.

My play was shoddy all game. About the only thing I was right about was a couple of town reads and Netlava being scum. If I'd have had the balls to throw out a vote for him D3 maybe we would've won. Oh well.

[ekiM]

Night Zero Actions:

Mafia Spy (Alduskkel) Investigate Ythan
Cop (Ythan) Investigate Alduskkel

Heh, indeedy.

[Prox]

I outsmarted the smart people...

[yabbaguy]

I'm better now.

Yeah Prox, you were absolutely rubbish throughout, you've gotta contribute much much more, but I just completely misconstrued that vote as evidence you weren't linked to NL. I tried to take scum at face value.

[The Fonz]

And I, for my part, had NL as scum candidate no1 until the vote/unvote affair. I thought the Netlava vote was a) hasty, and b) completely inconsistent with the fact that you'd been ragging on Prox all day whilst mentioning Netlava only in passing and ignoring my request to meta, and then the immediate unvote: well, I felt like I was being blatantly and hamfistedly set up. I didn't think, if you were town, given that Prox had criticised (well, in a manner of speaking, he didn't actually make any arguments) Netlava and only Netlava all day, that you as town would have been surprised that Prox followed you. Combine that with what I saw as constant strawmanning, well...

In fact, when Prox threatened to replace out, that did kinda make me think him town for a bit, because replacing out as scum in LyLo because you're being suspected is SUCH a colossal douche move, like the sort of thing that gets you permanently blacklisted in my book, that I didn't want to believe Prox was really threatening that.

THe 'fluffing' comment was kinda like a red rag to a bull, because I was trying really damn hard to figure shit out, but like I said, you were all so scummy. Another bit was that I couldn't really fathom the notion that town could have been put in such a hole by such a terrible scumteam, so there must have been someone (ie yabba) manipulating shit.

Also, WTF WTF WTF didn't Ythan claim with a guilty?

[Prox]

Yes...I'm sorry.

School and a week of inactivity just ruined my drive, and throughout the game I've had to post on my mobile, unable to comfortably investigate anyone...

But in the end, I did some good. But the VI accusations really pissed me off, but I didn't explain my fail in detail for the sake of what I call "the advantage of underestimation". I was planning to get bussed as soon as I read the thread and saw its playerlist.

I would never replace out of a game I've committed a Day to, but my meta hadn't revealed that, yet, so I went for it.

And then I played the gambit by voting netlava. I knew scum wouldn't win if I was who survived to lylo, and doubted that netlava might win, but I had to get lynched in a way that would helped netlava.

I seriously considered claiming scum in anger and calling netlava my scumbuddy as a supergambit. But that seemed...too dangerous. I thought that the current opinion on me as VI (literally ruined my day) would likely make the town decide I was hoping that they would mislynch town-netlava.

But too risky. So I decided that I would bandwagon on the next vote, which I assumed would be on Netlava (guess it wasn't that obvious?), and hope the chronic confident WIFOM of the expirienced gets me lucky. This hope was small, though.

But yea, once I finish my games, I'll hiatus until school slows down, sign up for my second Newbie and see if I've improved.

[yabbaguy]

Also, WTF WTF WTF didn't Ythan claim with a guilty?

The Naïve Miller aspect confounds a lot of things. Millers really need to be aware of their identities in this setup, I've concluded that now. Otherwise, 1 C and

[yabbaguy]

2 Cs becomes impossible to distinguish.

Also, what do you make of the cop sanity issue? Should GFs always be innocent-seeming to Cops, or should an Insane Cop pick them up as Guilty? Irrelevant in this game, but it's worth debating.

[Nobody Special]

Millers really need to be aware of their identities in this setup, I've concluded that now.

Should this be mentioned in the wiki article?

[yabbaguy]

(More debate?)

[Ythan]

boo

[Alduskkel]

I say take 5-10% out of the possibility for a T and assign it to the possibility of (a) self-awareMiller(s). As it stands just telling someone that they're a Miller in the current setup is giving them too much info.