Open 249: Mayo Clinic **Game Over!**

[JesseSheffield]

Actually, I think it's more telling that Gandalf obeyed this without question.

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Vote:gandalf5166

What does this say about gandalf then? How does this make gandalf scum?

[gandalf5166]

Okay, I switched votes. What are you trying to imply? That I was afraid shotty would vote me? If he did, then as scum, I could call him on OMGUS and get him lynched instead.

[Muthaa]

Hey sorry again, had some work to do for tomorrow which I didn't do during weekend. I'll post something tomorrow.

[Phaen]

ugh, this is so annoying. Quit stalling. If you don't have time to play, ask for a replacement.

[Phaen]

Ok I've done a little reading and I've got a few thoughts to share:

1. I don't get why people are making a big deal about gandalf hopping off shotty when he was asked to. I don't think it has all the meaning that's being attached to it. The vote was originally placed during the RVS.

2. I'm liking the Muthaa wagon and I'm willing to put my vote on it.

3. Katsuki's most recent vote on the wagon feels scummy to me. It's not so much the fact that he voted, but the timing. He ignores Antihero's question and then immediately after being voted he votes Muthaa. It seems like his motivation is less about pressuring Muthaa and more about getting attention away from himself.[/list]

Unfortunately I only have one vote

vote: Katsuki

[Phaen]

Oh yea I forgot I have some questions, too.

@Katsuki

• I know it's gotta be really annoying to be asked the same question over and over again, but I don't understand the nopoint wagon either. I even ISO'd him and I can't really get a solid read on him. Could you at least shed some light on what made you want to join that wagon?
  
• What do you mean by "Antihero is next after muthaa" ? Do you expect the day to end very soon? Would this be a good thing?

@Muthaa

• A question about post #70. If a player is "different from most people" does that make them more likely to be scum?

@ani

• This isn't a question. Please post more. Holy crap, 3 posts in 8 days... I know you can do better.

[Phaen]

mod - have you prodded ani and has he picked it up?

[crywolf20084]

He has been prodded

[Katsuki]

Oh yea I forgot I have some questions, too.

@Katsuki

• I know it's gotta be really annoying to be asked the same question over and over again, but I don't understand the nopoint wagon either. I even ISO'd him and I can't really get a solid read on him. Could you at least shed some light on what made you want to join that wagon?
  
• What do you mean by "Antihero is next after muthaa" ? Do you expect the day to end very soon? Would this be a good thing?

nopoint seems to be just skating past this game and looking for bandwagons to join. Almost entirely fluff posts, and says that his iso is "painfully town"? Essentially, he is active lurking.
Antihero is prob scum. By that statement, I mean that if muthaa is able to convince us that he is town, then antihero is next. Or if muthaa is lynched, then antihero tomorrow (barring revealing wagon flip signs or stuff like that/death)

Also, I didn't feel like answering anti since he's done virtually nothing all game except call me scum. When I asked him to explain, his answer was "no". Maybe it will seem like OMGUS to you guys, but does anti give town vibes to

anyone

???

[warriormode]

nopoint seems to be just skating past this game and looking for bandwagons to join. Almost entirely fluff posts, and says that his iso is "painfully town"? Essentially, he is active lurking.

I'm glad you cleared up the no point wagon. I also think that Gandalf has been playing in a similar style they way he switched his vote to Jesse.
That's why Phaen, some people including myself were feeling suspicious.

[Muthaa]

Just clearing something up.
@nopoint&katsuki: why are you voting me?
@Jesse: So... you think I'm scum (I'm kind of confused)?
@Phaen:
Post#178: We rushing somewhere?
Post#179: Why are you liking my wagon?
Post#180: No.

[Phaen]

Are we rushing somewhere? No, but I want to get a chance to examine more people before the day ends. If you stall indefinitely, I'm worried about what might happen. People might move on to other targets so we aren't wasting time waiting, which would let you get away with contributing nothing. Or people might decide to lynch you before examining anyone else, which would cause Day 1 to have less discussion than it could.

I like your wagon because hopefully it'll put some pressure on you and get you to start contributing.

[Katsuki]

nopoint seems to be just skating past this game and looking for bandwagons to join. Almost entirely fluff posts, and says that his iso is "painfully town"? Essentially, he is active lurking.

I'm glad you cleared up the no point wagon. I also think that Gandalf has been playing in a similar style they way he switched his vote to Jesse.
That's why Phaen, some people including myself were feeling suspicious.

I agree with gandalf. Though, it feels like gandalf does that in every game tbh. Policy vig would not be bad imo.

[warriormode]

I haven't seen gandalf play in other games. This is my first time playing with him.
I just kinda saw a little connection between nopoint and Gandalf.

[Katsuki]

They play similarly from what I've noticed. I've more experience with gandalf though (nopoint played with for one day).

You could add shotty into that list if you want. Its hard to distinguish between the 3 of them.

[gandalf5166]

DID YOU JUST COMPARE ME WITH SHOTTY??!!!!!!! I'm not THAT bad.... Kat, what are you agreeing with me about?

[Antihero]

Oh yea I forgot I have some questions, too.

@Katsuki

• I know it's gotta be really annoying to be asked the same question over and over again, but I don't understand the nopoint wagon either. I even ISO'd him and I can't really get a solid read on him. Could you at least shed some light on what made you want to join that wagon?
  
• What do you mean by "Antihero is next after muthaa" ? Do you expect the day to end very soon? Would this be a good thing?

nopoint seems to be just skating past this game and looking for bandwagons to join.

Sound familiar?

Almost entirely fluff posts, and says that his iso is "painfully town"? Essentially, he is active lurking.
Antihero is prob scum. By that statement, I mean that if muthaa is able to convince us that he is town, then antihero is next. Or if muthaa is lynched, then antihero tomorrow (barring revealing wagon flip signs or stuff like that/death)

Also, I didn't feel like answering anti since he's done virtually nothing all game except call me scum. When I asked him to explain, his answer was "no".

As opposed to your answer to my question about nopoint, which was either "iso" or nothing at all.

Maybe it will seem like OMGUS to you guys, but does anti give town vibes to

anyone

???

Here's your case if you want it:

Going back to page 3, where the serious stuff actually started:

Scott voted Katsuki for his push on Muthaa, to which Katsuki responded:

@Scott: Oh are you protecting muthaa's lack of wanting to place a vote? Jesse at least explained why they didn't, muthaa has yet to.

This is hypocritical. Jesse had not explained

why

he wasn't voting at the time, so it could be argued that you are protecting Jesse's actions.

Reading your posts in ISO, it's also pretty hypocritical of you to call anyone else down on fluff posting.

On page 4, you become "happy" with your gandalf vote for this reason:

You seem awfully desperate to use this [gandalf's "scum claim"] as a reason as to why you CAN NOT be scum... I am happy with my vote.

Rereading gandalf, I see no evidence of this. Furthermore, you don't bother to give any. "Forced and without merit" would describe your gandalf vote well.

On page 5 is the nopoint vote. Here's the post for that:

After looking at some things...

Vote: Nopoint

Mostly fluff posts, and easy voting Jesse. As someone who does not vote, Jesse seems like a too easy target.

I don't see how nopoint's vote was an "easy vote" when he actually gave reasoning with it (if you want to dispute the reason, that's a different issue). Also, I didn't see Jesse's not voting as a reason in nopoint's vote post.

I asked you to summarize the nopoint wagon on page 6.

Oh, and by the way, and we have yet to hear why the JS wagon is opportunistic.

On page 7, in response to why nopoint is scum, I get "ISO nopoint. " And yet Katsuki is bothered by why I simply said "No" (with a summarized reason under it, by the way) to his questioning.

After I press further for Kat to explain his vote, he completely ignores me and calls me scum.

Now, is

anyone

getting town vibes off of Katsuki?

[Katsuki]

That post of yours proves that you haven't bothered to read the thread. At. All.

[Katsuki]

Oh, and I will try and respond to that in the next few days. Moving.

[Antihero]

And the post above me proves nothing. At. All.

Preview EDIT: OK, take your time.

[Katsuki]

You proved that you only bothered to iso me without reading the posts in context with the game. Hence, not even bothering to read.

I suppose, it is a form of misrep? Not entirely sure if that applies, but probably does.

[Antihero]

You proved that you only bothered to iso me without reading the posts in context with the game. Hence, not even bothering to read.

I suppose, it is a form of misrep? Not entirely sure if that applies, but probably does.

Whatever. I read the thread in context.

[crywolf20084]

Vote Count: Day 1

7 to lynch someone; 6 to not lynch anyone.

Muthaa: (5)(L-2)

smashbro, JesseSheffield, nopointinactingup, warriormode, Katsuki

Katsuki: (2)

Antihero, Phaen

nopointinactingup: (2)

drmyshottyizsik, animorpherv1

Gandalf: (1)

Scott Brosius

Once again, any mistakes, let me know. etc etc

[crywolf20084]

Also, Ani has 13 minutes to post, or I'm seeking for a replacement because he picked up his prod and has not responded to it (obviously.)

[gandalf5166]

I'm not seeing a single ounce of misrep in AH's post.