NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[Shanba]

for people who are not aware, deadline is this friday - that's 2/3 days time depending on your time zone.

[Robbnva]

All respond to your wall of crap when I get to a pc but the way wifom is described in the wiki, the way I explained it is the example it gives so the question is do YOU know what wifom is?

From wiki

It is the final four, with two confirmed innocents and two non-confirmed innocents left alive. You are one of the confirmed innocents, and you strongly believe player A to be scum. The other confirmed innocent strongly believes player B to be scum. At night, the proven innocent who believed player B is a scum, is killed.
Who should you vote for?
As scum, should you kill the person accusing you or the person not accusing you?

NONE

of your examples match the wiki.

Ill get to your crap of lies and twists when I get to a computer like I said.

Here is a wifom by your definition (wrong definition)

I am town so YOU must be scum for attacking me

[singersigner]

Sigh...
I can't believe you haven't lynched Wraith yet and are forcing me to post a fluff post like this just to keep from getting prodded. Just watch the deadline, okay?

Do you even care about what else is going on? Or are you checking out?

[Robbnva]

for people who are not aware, deadline is this friday - that's 2/3 days time depending on your time zone.

I am beginning to think there is a chance that one of the people that has a bandwagon currently is Xite's scum partner which is why he is trying to dig up dirt on a townie instead of focusing on the task at hand

[Flameaxe]

Votecount 2.15

Wraith [7] (Gorrad, Mysterio, Benmage, ConfidAnon, danakillsu, Bunnylover, Reck)

Mysterio [6] (Flinter, Singersigner, @.@, Wraith, hiphop, Wickedestjr)
Prozac [4] (Shanba, Kise, Lowell, Rob)
Hiphop [1] (Prozac)
UltimaAvalon [1] (UltimaAvalon)
Robbnva [1] (Xite)

Not Voting [1] (My Milked Eek)

With 21 alive it will take 11 for a lynch and 11 for a no lynch.

Deadline:

Friday September 17th, 2010, 9:00 PM MST. This deadline is negotiable by a majority vote.

[Robbnva]

A) Self-meta is rarely useful (and a lot of times ignored). Try a new strategy -

I have played tons of games on another site and nobody here is over there so my self meta is gonna have to be thrown in there when defending my actions (the only one on here that I know plays over there is Papa Zito)

Okay, so all the striked-out words are where you're just plain wrong and need to read.

things are not wrong just cause you say they are.

Definition of Spaghetti Throwing: Where a player will throw out points about what people did but not say if or why it is scummy or townie. Most of the time, these people will do so to a great number of players, if not all of them.

this is how I play, also I don't see how that is scummy. You realize mafia doesn't want to draw attention to themselves right? when you are mafia do you throw spaghetti? no actually when I am mafia I do a better job of fake scum hunting, I want to put together a case that everyone would believe and when it is wrong, others will be like "yeah man, I was so sure he was scum" Look at Nham or whatever his name was, was he out in the open day 1? NO he wasn't, I didn't even remember seeing any of his posts, when I saw he was dead I was like "was he a replacement?"

This is scummy because it's an easy way to sit on the fence about anything. When someone gets attacked based off of those things that the spaghetti-thrower threw out there, the spaghetti-thrower will ride off of that attack, saying that they pointed out the same thing. If he gets attacked for attacking a townie that has flipped, then he will be able to say that, no he did not attack that townie, and will ask people to point out where he did, and they will not be able to.

- I struck this out because it is wrong.
Get it? I even bolded it and made it different colors to make sure that you could see it. -

I see your posts but none of them are really valid scum points. You have not posted anything I have done in this game to prove I am scummy. You think you have but everything you have posted about me is faulty logic on your part.

B) Or he was just finally able to get to this game? IIRC he WAS V/LA. Also, maybe he mentioned you because you're in the spotlight? Yeah, that could be something.

I also posted that I would try and chime in from my phone, which I have been every time I get a break. all of my posts the past 2 days have been from my Iphone. This post I am using the hotel computer

C) If you were really reading the thread, you might see that I did comment on your godfather idea (which I think I said was REALLY stupid)

you say it is stupid is not a valid argument.

The fact is I have busted many mafia for dancing around the accusations.

D) Do... do you

know

what WIFOM is?

do you? because almost everything you have pointed out as WIFOM in this game is not actually WIFOM

Okay, how many games have you played? And please be honest. This is actually an important question.

on the site where I learned to play mafia I have played 45 or so games, I am often accused of being scum just like you are accusing me and most of the time I am not, that is sadly just the way I play. I am often killed early in games because I piss people off by my (using your definition) "spaghetti throwing" One game 6 people visited me night 1 (tracker, cop, role blocker, SK, Mafia 1, and mafia 2) another thing I don't do is lie unless I absolutely have to. Look at this game - (I could have made up a lie to try and save myself but why bother. When I am caught, I am caught. no need to squirm and make up shit)

1. Faulty logic is faulty - the "if you are this than he is this" has failed many times in almost every game, also I won't flip scum so even more faulty
2. I have seen it time and time again, mafia is accused and they don't deny, they try and discredit the info or deflect away from it. So I'm sticking my MY experiences
3. You should be making new cases or commenting on other bandwagons already formed and not broadcase "oh I'll hammer him if I have to" seems scummy to me
4. This close to deadline it isn't worth starting yet another bandwagon, I think you play scummy but would not suprise me if you are just a VI this game or your reads are just wrong. Also I already voted mysterio after your gambit(scummy) so going to him is no biggie for me either, I feel with that question asking if Kise did any reamsearch (code for do you have proof?) that makes him more suspicious to me
5. So if you are NK can we assume you are scum? (btw I have seen more mafia make that statement than I have seen town)
6. It was not me who told the cop who to investigate, it was singer, I just agreed with her. I don't care who the cop investigates

1) Uhm... no? If you look at the way you did things, I have my reasons for thinking those things, and even if you were town, a flip from you would actually help me greatly at this point. not to mention, it has worked a great number of times from when I've seen it

well i will save you the trouble, my flip will be town so go with your thoughts on me being town and that will help you figure things out.

2) And I've seen town react the SAME EXACT WAY to such a ridiculous claim. Hell, I would chuckle a bit and say the same thing.

fair enough, we each have different experiences. I personally have caught at least 2 or 3 mafia by spotting this tactic so for me it works until it is proven otherwise.

3) So, I should be looking anywhere but at you? Lol

you realize the deadline is friday right? can you convince 11 people to vote for me by Friday when all you have are baseless acusations and faulty logic. I know it is faulty because 1. the definition of WIFOM on the wiki I don't believe matches what you say is WIFOM. 2. you have accued me of spaghetti throwing but I have made valid arguments for the people I have voted for. (yeah I changed my mind on frank when I first thought he was town, but am i not allowed to change my mind?)

4) Anything's possible if you try... but wait, you have to convince other people, and scumhunting is just so hard for scum to do isn't it?

I guess scum hunting when a person is scum is kind of hard but you are actually smart, you spend all game throwing out faulty logic but you sound convincing and people actually believe you. You have a way with getting people sucked in, I even did it day one and than it hit me. THIS GUY is earning his town cred. by pointing out scum points that townies made got people sucked in. It didn't really hit me until you pulled that gambit (faking a day kill is so scummy, if you die tonight I would say it was more of a VIG kill than a mafia kill because mafia can't kill themselves . Also the line you used talking about you will probably die tonight is something I have seen mafia say over and over again and I rarely see town say it unless they have already role claimed, and you haven't (I don't want you to so don't twist this and say I am tunneling or something)

5) From your next post, you say you mean aren't, and no, but I was saying not to direct the cop. Also, I was saying that if he wants, then fine, investigate me, but don't make it public, because then bad things will happen.

I added in aren't after my post. I was trying to use some of your faulty logic. You do realize this statement you made is more of a scum tell than a town tell? also I have not directed the cop to do anything, in fact I was the one who said the cop is stupid for asking for help. I hope the cop (s) investigate the people they find the most scummy, if they think you or I are the scummy ones and they investigate one of us, cool. If they investigate somebody else, that is cool too.

6) I was saying that to the whole playerset.

well that wasn't clear in your post and actually by posting that you basically informed everyone including mafa to not do that, why would you do that? why not keep that to yourself and wait until somebody does it and than call them out on it?

Xite, do you have any completed scum games? Can I have a link if so?

Newbie game FTW
Emotional Breakdown
As you can see, I'm a very angry scum player

This is the last thing I am going to direct your way and than I will go about playing the game and stop beating a dead horse which both of us seem to be doing.

1. Do you realize that by faking the day kill on wraith, It looked like you were actually trying to get people off his bandwagon? Also when that didn't work you just unvoted him saying you did not think he was scummy anymore, you don't think that was scummy? You than go after me, a vocal player that some would call me a VI, because I am easier to attack and make look like scum even when they are not(sort of like what you did to frank) ALSO the comment you made about "you will hammer wraith" first what makes you so special you get to be the one to hammer him IF he even gets lynched and second that sounds SO much like mafia giving up on his partner and wants to make sure he gets in a vote to lynch him if he is indeed getting lynched. (this is how I interpreted the whole situation so I would like your explanation based on how I see your actions and no tap dancing around it)

2. I would like you to post 3 TRUE examples of my WIFOM, 3 TRUE examples of me spaghetti throwing, and also I want you to post 3 posts to me of 100% classic scum slips that you think I have made.

3. I would like you to focus on the 3 current bandwagons since we are so close to the deadline, if the next day you want to start a bandwagon on me, that is your prerogative but today the goal is to get a lynch before the deadline and there are 3 people with wagons and 2 solid cases for both of them (more solid than the case you are trying to make on me)

[Wraith]

Okay, I'd like to hear the following peoples' justifications for still being on my wagon, right now:

Benmage
Dana
Bunnylover
Reck

Gorrad has made it abundantly clear why he's still voting me, Mysterio is scum, and CA is being replaced. You others have no excuses.

[Robbnva]

I just found this info about Gambit according to the wiki

A Gambit is any action made to further a player's agenda.

While it's most often used by the Mafia

in hopes that the Town won't call their bluff, it's also used by Doctors and SKs to stay alive or further their purpose in the game

just thought everyone shoudl know that gambits according to wiki are more often a scum tactic. this supports my statement about Xite's gambit most likely being scum tactic since it did not help the town at all.

[Bunnylover]

Wraith I know I've been flip floping on your vote, but here my reason:
I believe you were trying to gain townie points by been one of the only people defending Furclow, even saying you would sacrifice yourself to save him, made me iffy on you since unless you were mason together or had some kinda other role that allow you to know which side he was, no one would make that gambit day 1.
I also agreed with a lot of what Gorrad is saying on your post, which I have posted I've agreed with.

[Xite91]

A) Uhm, okay? I don't care, and probably no one else does either. That is why self-meta fails. Try another strategy. Wait didn't I already say that?
In regards to spaghetti throwing - How is that wrong? You didn't say how and you honestly look like you're just trying to discredit anything that shows that you're scum. And by discredit, I do not mean disprove, I mean honestly say it's wrong and hope people leave it at that. That is a scum-tactic. Also, that whole scum like to do this thing you've got going on? That's WIFOM. I will have a full definition of that one at the bottom of this post for your viewing pleasure. Why aren't my points valid scumpoints? Go ahead and prove them wrong (instead of just saying, oh you're wrong) and I'll back off.
B)Okay, what does that have to do with anything? Not everyone is you. I don't have internet on my phone, and probably neither does mystie, not everyone is you. Keep that in mind.
C) I gave my reasons for why it was stupid. You need to go back and read instead of being lazy and noisy, it's annoying and diluting the thread and kind of pissing me off, if you weren't so scummy, I'd just ask to policy lynch you at this point.
D) Do you even know what it stands for? Because honestly, you're REALLY not getting it.
In regards to how many games you've played - Okay, 45? Then you should know how to play and you have no excuse for your bad play/use of terms and so on. Which means you are playing the VI more than actually being VI... hmmm
1) Or, how about I see for myself because I don't believe that's the case?
2) Please don't start this with me. It's faillogic and should be cut off at the base.
3) First, considering more than just I have mentioned wanting to lynch you? Honestly, those people should get their votes on you at least until it gets close to deadline, and you can see just how much support we have. Your point 1. Learn WIFOM, point 2. Learn to read, without bias and with complete open-mindedness. You'll go places.
4) Do you even look at what you're responding to before you respond? Make a full case against me plox, not just little things that I can't fight against a) because they're all packed together and it's hard to discern one from the next and b) because this is full of gut more than anything else. Also, what about faking a daykill is scummy? I've seen it done so many times, by scum AND by town. Again, it's what we call null.
5) When I'm cop I always target my biggest town reads. Those are the ones you need to look out for.
6) Lol, did you read the link? Did you even click it? It had nothing to do with someone being scummy.
This is the last thing I am going to direct your way and than I will go about playing the game and stop beating a dead horse which both of us seem to be doing.

1. Do you realize that by faking the day kill on wraith, It looked like you were actually trying to get people off his bandwagon? Also when that didn't work you just unvoted him saying you did not think he was scummy anymore, you don't think that was scummy? You than go after me, a vocal player that some would call me a VI, because I am easier to attack and make look like scum even when they are not(sort of like what you did to frank) ALSO the comment you made about "you will hammer wraith" first what makes you so special you get to be the one to hammer him IF he even gets lynched and second that sounds SO much like mafia giving up on his partner and wants to make sure he gets in a vote to lynch him if he is indeed getting lynched. (this is how I interpreted the whole situation so I would like your explanation based on how I see your actions and no tap dancing around it)

2. I would like you to post 3 TRUE examples of my WIFOM, 3 TRUE examples of me spaghetti throwing, and also I want you to post 3 posts to me of 100% classic scum slips that you think I have made.

3. I would like you to focus on the 3 current bandwagons since we are so close to the deadline, if the next day you want to start a bandwagon on me, that is your prerogative but today the goal is to get a lynch before the deadline and there are 3 people with wagons and 2 solid cases for both of them (more solid than the case you are trying to make on me)

1) Uhm, I don't care? I did what I felt was necessary. What exactly do you want me to say? I've been as transparent as possible if you can't tell. Try to read the game before posting.
2) I might get around to this, but I'm too lazy to care right now considering I made A WHOLE FRICKIN CASE AGAINST YOU.
3) Haha, no. I said who I would vote come deadline, but right now I will be focusing on you, but nice try

[Xite91]

I just found this info about Gambit according to the wiki

A Gambit is any action made to further a player's agenda.

While it's most often

used by the Mafia in hopes that the Town won't call their bluff, it's also used by Doctors and SKs to stay alive or further their purpose in the game

just thought everyone shoudl know that gambits according to wiki are more often a scum tactic. this supports my statement about Xite's gambit most likely being scum tactic since it did not help the town at all.

That bolded is where you should look at, first off. Second, please add links of these things from now on. Kthnx.
Next, I have seen it by both, and honestly, CLAIMING using a gambit out of nowhere is often a scumtactic, because then it gives them that "winning by losing" thing again.
Thing is, it's obvious that my gambit was going to be claimed a gambit before I even started with it, wouldn't you agree?

[Xite91]

Oh yeah, WIFOM.
(WINE IN FRONT OF ME)
Lets start with this, have you ever seen the princess bride?
Well in that movie there's a part where two of the guys are sitting at a table with two wine glasses
One guy has poisoned one of the glasses, and the other must discern which one it was and take the other, then they both drink.
Here's where the WIFOM comes into play.
The guy that poisoned the glass could be a coward, so of course he put the poison in the cup farthest from him right?
But wait, he could have thought I would think that and put it in front of me...
But what if he thought I would think that?... etc etc etc
In this particular movie, though, the guy who poisoned the drink had poisoned BOTH of them, and had built up an immunity beforehand, which symbolically, is what the scum in games do.

How this ties into mafia;
Scum will do something, lets say NK someone
Then the town starts to guess who the scum are based on that.
Lets say the nk'd had voiced a lot of opinions against players A, B, and C
So at least 1 of those 3 have to be scum right?
But they might have thought we would think that, so maybe it's none of them
etc etc etc

Do you understand now?

[UltimaAvalon]

Robb, and other people, please stop answering points inside the quote. Its extremely difficult to read that way, especially when it keeps going back and forth. Thanks

Rob, first off, the reason you "Dancing around Godfather makes him Godfather" thing is stupid, is because liars don't try to dance around the issue. they completely shut down the issue so that they can leave the topic as soon as possible, for the longer they stay on topic, the more likely they will be found out. Or, since you love analogies so much, if I stick my finger in the cake frosting, and mother asks if I swiped my finger in the cake frosting, my response will be "No, I did not swipe my finger in the cake frosting." If I answered "Are you sure it was me and not my brother?", it will leave the topic up for discussion, allowing mother to reveal that brother isn't home, thus casting more suspicion on me.

Second, yes, a lot of Xite's accusations of you using WIFOM are correct. Particularly your constant use of self-meta from a site that doesn't exist, and the "This is how I play as Town" bits.

Third, the Wiki is a guide, not a rulebook. "This is not how the wiki says this works" is not a valid argument.

Finally, Xite's gambit was a null gambit. It was scummy for derailment, but it also brought too much attention to himself to be a valid scum tactic.

[hiphop]

What I'm going to say is this. I don't think Wraith is scum. But if it gets down to the deadline and no one else is convinced of anyone otherwise, I would rather lynch him to get information out of it, than not.

Why not Mysterio?

[singersigner]

What I'm going to say is this. I don't think Wraith is scum. But if it gets down to the deadline and no one else is convinced of anyone otherwise, I would rather lynch him to get information out of it, than not.

Why not Mysterio?

Simple numbers.

[hiphop]

What I'm going to say is this. I don't think Wraith is scum. But if it gets down to the deadline and no one else is convinced of anyone otherwise, I would rather lynch him to get information out of it, than not.

Why not Mysterio?

Simple numbers.

Nevermind. I thought you were voting wraith.

[Antihero]

I'm going to kind of skim the RVS section, since there's 54 other pages of content here (if there's anything uber important in there, which I really doubt, let me know).

Page 3: Oh jeez, we're not actually arguing over UA's self vote are we?

Anyone who actually has to say that they're trying to start discussion is most likely faking it (looking at dana)

Page 4: This JDodge-Benmage thing looks like a red herring to me.

Page 5: Interesting Xite doesn't want to vote dana because she "doesn't want to get near L1", when it's fairly obvious that he's nowhere near L1 (there was a votecount near the middle of the 4th page).

Oh, and by the way, "gut" arguments don't fly with me. There's a reason why you have gut feelings. Find them.

I don't like UA's strawman of Furcolow. Scumpoints for UA.

The dana vote on Furcolow is aweful. The amount of OMGUS coming from dana is nearing absurdity at this point. And the strawman that soon follows doesn't help.

I'll post here once I find my big, big, bottle of ibuprofen.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I have to stop here for now.
I'll post again tomorrow.

[UltimaAvalon]

Anti: you know Deadline is in 3 days, right? Hurry the fuck up maybe?

Also, Frank being unable to see the point of my post is not the same thing as a Strawman. Also keep in mind that he doesn't know what Ad Hominim means.

General: I will not support a Wraith lynch, even if it comes to deadline

[Robbnva]

every thing you said in the beginning you just responded back with your own opinions, you say things are wrong but don't post VALID explanations why they are wrong, other than "cause I say they are" and you don't post examples of it basically nullifying any argument you may have had

1) Uhm, I don't care? I did what I felt was necessary. What exactly do you want me to say? I've been as transparent as possible if you can't tell. Try to read the game before posting.
2) I might get around to this, but I'm too lazy to care right now considering I made A WHOLE FRICKIN CASE AGAINST YOU.
3) Haha, no. I said who I would vote come deadline, but right now I will be focusing on you, but nice try

1. I read the game, your gambit failed, tbh I am suprised people did not decide to lynch you cause of it. you caused this day to drag on longer than it should, we were close to lynching wraith and now we are approaching deadline
2. such an easy way to say, I don't really want to try and fabricate information, I would rather just make up lies
3. this close to deadline, focusing on my is pointless and is not helping the town, I hope people realize this

[Shanba]

Vote: Deadline Extension

So Antihero and MME can catch up, as it's going to be tight otherwise. We need a majority for this, so chop chop people!

[Robbnva]

Decided to look at the "case" made by xite, I went back to first interaction of me being scummy

forgot to write his post number down but said my theory of lynching a claim VT after a power role being outed is scummy. No reason why just is (cause he does this later himself) I have talked to multiple players who agree with this tactic

(his post numbers)

89- declares I'm scummy no reason given(you said yourself voting for no reason is scummy)
93- mentions my posts but no reason why any are scummy, they just are according to you (you said yourself reasons things are scummy have to be given)
100- say you seen the DK in another game but can't find a link(no way to validate so could be a lie)
101- vote me with no reason(no reason to you is scummy)
102- declare I'm scummy with no reason
103- me saying I misjudged you is scummy but don't say why it is scummy(anyone who doesn't agree with you is scummy?)
104- excuse on why no case on me yet. Say I'm nit defending myself(can't defend myself from "you are scummy because I say so")
108- excuse again for no case, said I am selective reading cause I did not read a post you directed me to(but you never actually directed me to a post) and because I did not read this post I am scummy
110- said your fake daykill was not scummy and would help you scum hunt(no reason why it was not scummy & only scum you have chased is me, but you don't even post valid arguments against me)
113- say your going to make a case against me
114- all you tl:dr points and examples posted you say are scummy but don't say why or prove how they are scummy(spaghetti - nit always scummy. Fence - not always scummy. Sheeping- no real example given, one example was not sheeping. Back tracking - no evidence, also changing minds =/= back tracking. Your biggest point for me being scumis saying lynch claim VT on day one after outing a PR is scummy(it isn't, others on this site agree with it also)
117- no real reason I am scum, false accused of WIFOM with no links to it
122- more false accusations of WIFOM, said I implied"town will lose" which I never did
124- self iso (self iso isn't trying to look town? Seems to me it would be, town would not need to explain their reasoning for all their posts)
131- accused of trying to look town, no examples (self iso you did is perfect example of you trying to look town)
134- claim I am omgus you yet I never voted for you
136- you say that I am OMGUS you cause I think you are scum(not true example of OMGUS)
138- you claim wraith is town cause your iso and his meta in other games but don't show examples to the rest of us to convince us to get off his wagon(seems like an attempt to now distance from wraith wagon)
144- you twist my words around on me, say I'm scum but no valid reason still
148- talking about me not pushing a wagon(Pushing a wagon is not always town and not always scummy, both sides do this. The same goes for not pusing a wagon so using that to accuse anyone of being scum is faulty logic. You say I am lining up lynches but in not, I wait til the flips of the dead before planning my lynch. You say I'm not scum hunting but I posted reasons I thought Wraith, Mysterio, and poorchaz is scum and all you are doing is trying to start a band wagon on me yet you have still not provided any evidence against me that is valid. Multiple votes and declaration I am scum without any reason which you did to me early on is a better example of scummy behavior, and you know how I know? You said it yourself in this game that voting with no reason is scummy. You also got off wraith's wagon for no reason which is scummy, and you know how I know? You yourself said it in this game.

So now I have provided a TRUE case against you and posted examples and reasons why they are scummy(even using your own examples) so now I feel this is valid and not OMGUS

vote Xite

I personally think everyone should vote him based on his actions which by his own definition are things scum does

[Antihero]

Anti: you know Deadline is in 3 days, right? Hurry the fuck up maybe?

I only had a limited time to make my last post. I'll get caught up by tomorrow.

Also, I'm not sure why you're under the impression that I like to be talked to this way, but I don't. Please stop.

[My Milked Eek]

Someone, please summarize the thread. I have lost faith in my reading skills after my last post. And it will help Antihero and myself.

After reading Day 1 and having slept on it, I still want to lynch Xite and porochaz.

Is there a case on Wraith made on day 2? One that is not by ConfidAnon (iirc). Or is it still because of his Day 1 behavior in relation to Frank? And what did Mysterio do? Even a link would be very much appreciated.

[Xite91]

@Robbie

When did I say that was scummy? (lynching a claimed VT). I would like either a link or a quote plox. Also, my wanting to lynch a claimed VT was for a reason. My speculation on him being town depended partially on him being a PR, so him claiming VT shuts down my theory.
89) Did I vote? Nope
93) Quote of when I said that plox, also, really I didn't say ANYTHING on why you're scummy?

*sigh*
Specifically ISO #'s 1, 2, 4&6, 7, 10, 14, 15, 19 (i love that "frank has even been scummy" part), 24, 25 (wtf??), 28, 30, 34, just want to make a quick point on 37 - one game =/= meta EVER, 38 (seeing a pattern to his wagoning), 41, 45, remember my point on 37? and, 46.

100) Oh my god, I may have lied about something that really doesn't matter to this game, and honestly, have you seen how many sites play maifa? Wanna know how many games I read up on? I can not believe you're saying it could be a lie because I can't find said game.
101) Already gave reasons
102) See 101
103)

I am super sorry I misjudged you Xite, I was going through this game thinking you actually knew your shit and how to play, but clearly I was wrong, cause I am not scum this game so you need to just backup and find somebody else to run up the tree.

I have half the mind to return the favor but I don't OMGUS vote, even if the person deserves it, and this case you do deserve it.

Wow, and you say you're not scum? I lol'd
Anyways, I do know my shit and how to play, way to try to discredit me... all because I'm making a case on you you're going to resort to insulting me? Sad.

You aren't OMGUS voting, but there's still OMGUS all over that post.

Again, reading is your thread. Or is it the understanding that's got you confused?
104) Do I really have to quote everything I say because you twist them funny?
108) Yeah, the post where I said my daykill was fake, considering that you did not know that my kill was fake YET it means you weren't reading EVERYTHING, and everywhere else I've played or read games, not reading all the posts in their entireties = scum. I don't know how true it is for newer games because you crazy kids keep saying that you aren't reading.
110-113) I didn't have enough time, new job+moving+baby on the way+cleaning+cooking+breaking a lease+etc= not a lot of time for mafia
114) Uhm.... I think you've mixed up your posts... In fact, what the fuck are you talking about?
117) I didn't add quotes and stuff because it's annoying as fuck to respond directly to the color inside a case thing. It pisses me and multiple other people off, please learn to respond in different ways
122) I didn't say you implied it, I asked if you were going to start it, again, way to twist my words
124) Wow fucking read. There was no ISO in there at all. The numbers should be enough for you to figure that out.
131) Except it wasn't a self-ISO
134) OMGUS =/= voting in most cases.
136) Okay, so what are your reasons for thinking I'm scum then? And you can't use anything having to do with I'm voting you (because that's OMGUS)
138) Hmmm.... Cuz I didn't just post links to his other games right here So what was that about you reading the game?
144) People who believe in the wagon they're on will fight for their lynch AKA push it. Your reason was that you don't see any reason not to and because he's done some scummy things (that you didn't point out... weren't you just saying something about me with that whole thing?)
148) You need to learn to write too. I didn't understand that first part AT ALL. Where are those reasons? And please don't use that godfather shit, because that's exactly what it is. Please, give me these links? Also, I had reasons why you were scummy, I just thought posting your posts and saying they were scummy was enough because they were obvious, also I MADE A CASE AGAINST YOU, so that point is now null, and I gave reasons for getting off the Wraith reasons AS I DID IT. Wow, again, READ PLOX

Wait, what happened to focusing on the top three wagons? Weird that you want me to hold to that, but won't do so yourself.

every thing you said in the beginning you just responded back with your own opinions, you say things are wrong but don't post VALID explanations why they are wrong, other than "cause I say they are" and you don't post examples of it basically nullifying any argument you may have had

1) Uhm, I don't care? I did what I felt was necessary. What exactly do you want me to say? I've been as transparent as possible if you can't tell. Try to read the game before posting.
2) I might get around to this, but I'm too lazy to care right now considering I made A WHOLE FRICKIN CASE AGAINST YOU.
3) Haha, no. I said who I would vote come deadline, but right now I will be focusing on you, but nice try

1. I read the game, your gambit failed, tbh I am suprised people did not decide to lynch you cause of it. you caused this day to drag on longer than it should, we were close to lynching wraith and now we are approaching deadline
2. such an easy way to say, I don't really want to try and fabricate information, I would rather just make up lies
3. this close to deadline, focusing on my is pointless and is not helping the town, I hope people realize this

Uhm... ok? I don't recall just giving my opinion, unless the point was opinion-based in the first place.
1) And still close to lynching Wraith. Why is it so imperative that we lynch wraith anyways? And if it is, why did you just take your vote off him? Also, look at all the new info coming in, that's something town likes, remember?
2) nope, just don't really care enough at the moment to go back and reread your ISO AGAIN in order to find things I already pointed out.
3) this close to deadline, focusing on my is pointless and is not helping the town, I hope people realize this

[Xite91]

Someone, please summarize the thread. I have lost faith in my reading skills after my last post. And it will help Antihero and myself.

After reading Day 1 and having slept on it, I still want to lynch Xite and porochaz.

Is there a case on Wraith made on day 2? One that is not by ConfidAnon (iirc). Or is it still because of his Day 1 behavior in relation to Frank? And what did Mysterio do? Even a link would be very much appreciated.

Just ISO the two of them, and I think I made a case against Wraith, but at that point I was starting to lean town on him, so I'm not sure what it accomplished (because I was trying to remember why I was attacking wraith in the first place)
Mystie is an active lurker and what he says when he shows up is why he's scummy.
Why prozac?
Why me?