Mafia 119: MURDER AT HOTEL DEATH(GAME OVER)

[Pomegranate]

the mod is WIFOMing us. I don't think any of the neighbors are scum.

Just clarifying: You think that none of the neighbors are scum just by the way the neighborhoods work(, or because you don't find any of them scummy)?

[Pomegranate]

THAT'S RIGHT NERO, YOUR DREAMS HAVE BECOME REALITY, MY VOTE ON YOU IS INVALID BECAUSE I MISSPELLED YOUR NAME

BTW I MISSPELLED YOUR NAME BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN LURKING HARDCORE

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A POST FROM YOU IN FOREVER

Why me and not NicolBolas?

Because you responded to a vote after a 6 day absence and JUST NOW you tried to deflect suspicion onto another lurker?

What does it matter what Jack thinks of NicolBolas?

This makes total sense!!!! I'm just supposed to lie down and not respond when being call scum. And it matters 'cause I'm being voted for lurking, what makes me the best lurker lynch? 'Cause I posted in another thread? Oh yes that just means I HAVE to be scum huh?

Deflection is NOT a defense, period. No one is expecting you "to lie down and not respond when being call scum". Please, write up a proper defense.

Hint: A proper defense isn't ""Wait, what? He did it too!! Kbai."

@Mod- Can we PLEASE have a votecount?

When I can see if a Nero Cain wagon is plausible, I may switch my vote.

[Jack]

When I can see if a Nero Cain wagon is plausible, I may switch my vote.

He has like 5 votes, and a couple other people expressed willingness but haven't voted him yet.

[PranaDevil]

Espy wagon is better than a Nero wagon k thx.

[Pomegranate]

Espy wagon is better than a Nero wagon k thx.

I mean, Espy is okay, but the wagon is a bit stale and hasn't gone anywhere new recently. I'd prefer an NC lynch if we could get one, but I won't be upset with Espy.

[Jack]

pom, switch your vote! gosh. How do we know if we can get one if we don't try?

[Nero Cain]

Pom 526 is fail.

Still waiting on Jack to answer 523.

[singersigner]

Pom 526 is fail.

Still waiting on Jack to answer 523.

You're a pretty big fail right now yourself. You're not doing anything to defend yourself, or convince anyone you're worth listening to.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[PranaDevil]

Nero, don't expect an answer, Jack is trying to save Espy from being lynched by lynching whoever he could make out to be scummy.

I AGAIN ask why we're focusing on null-tells here, one single thing does not make an entire case.

[Pomegranate]

Pom 526 is fail.

Still waiting on Jack to answer 523.

That was a lovely defense.

Vote: Nero Cain

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(Prana: Have you noticed that all of NC's reactions are REALLYREALLYREALLY SCUMMY? Cuz that's not a nulltell.)

[PranaDevil]

But what's he meant to reply to? "You turned up just after something was directed at you?" "Oh, so I did".

That's the entirety of the case against him, and so what's his reaction meant to be? He's reacting to a mountain being made out of a mole hill. If there was an actual case against him, then fair enough, but there isn't one, there is a distinct lack of a case but a bunch of people who all went "yeah, Nero would be a good lynch" despite there being nothing to state why.

Pom, ignore his reactions at the moment, what has been scummy about him before his return?

[Nero Cain]

Gah!!!

Stop defending me Prana.

I'm all for my lynch. I mean the mafia is not going to kill me 'cause I'm "scummy" since I chose to lurk until I had something to add. So I found the game boring...definitely a scum tell. So each day that I live the mafia are going to use me as a distraction and say that I still could be scum.

I'm pretty disappointed in SS and Pom...I don't quite understand them. I mean what the hell am I supposed to do?

Hey guys I'm not scum, here's my pm.

'Cause really that's the only way anyone is going to believe anything.

Deflection is not a defense!!!

, yells the fruit.

Isn't that the whole point of the game? Person A says XXX is scummy 'cause ____ Person B says this person is scummy 'cause ____ so on and so forth until a vote is met.

I find in rather pathetic that I'm scummier than Jack and Espy but w/e.

All I can say is that I'm 100% VT and maybe tomorrow you guys can actually scum hunt.

[PranaDevil]

Only reason I'm defending you Nero is I'm getting frustrated that we're going to let Espy walk in favour of lynching someone over absolutely sweet eff all. It's ridiculous. Just like the piss poor case on Looker was.

[DemonHybrid]

This is ridiculous.

Whatever. Espy or Nero, flip a coin. They're both scummy.

Unvote, Vote: Nero Cain

If Espy gets to walk tomorrow and avoid his lynch again, Jack, I swear to fucking god.

[DemonHybrid]

Nero, I don't believe that you are a VT.

VT's are the MINORITY in this game according to that huge discussion Pom and I had. It's pretty evident that you're mafia at this point.

[Jack]

Nero, don't expect an answer, Jack is trying to save Espy from being lynched by lynching whoever he could make out to be scummy.

I have been voting nero since sep 4th.

I AGAIN ask why we're focusing on null-tells here, one single thing does not make an entire case.

Just because you aren't a gut player...but vollkan isn't either and he had nero as his top. Go read his posts.

[Jack]

hmm hmmm hmmm

prana do you have a completed game as scum you can give me the link to?

[zwetschenwasser]

the mod is WIFOMing us. I don't think any of the neighbors are scum.

Just clarifying: You think that none of the neighbors are scum just by the way the neighborhoods work(, or because you don't find any of them scummy)?

the way neighborhoods work in this game.

[Espeonage]

zwet. It makes no sense and is unbalanced unless there is a big strong scum.

I will make a new vote if I can see a votecount first.

[Nero Cain]

Only reason I'm defending you Nero is I'm getting frustrated that we're going to let Espy walk in favour of lynching someone over absolutely sweet eff all. It's ridiculous. Just like the piss poor case on Looker was.

Of course it is but they think they are better and can't be wrong so let 'em be wrong. 1 townie is not going to matter, townies are going to get lynched. This game is as much as a process of elimination.

Nero, I don't believe that you are a VT.
VT's are the MINORITY in this game according to that huge discussion Pom and I had. It's pretty evident that you're mafia at this point.

That's bullshit. Every game I've played here is VT heavy. In a 18 player game I seriously doubt its power role heavy.

If I come up as VT you seriously need to be tomorrow's lynch.

[horrordude0215]

Okay I had a giant ass post written up, but the site took a shit on me today and I lost it all. I'm too lazy to sum it up right now, but basically it says that while I'd prefer a looker lynch, that one isn't gonna happen today. Add that to the fact that Nero only posted when called out by jack and has yet to provide any real content since his return,

Unvote, Vote Nero Cain

[horrordude0215]

We seriously need a vote count.

And BTW hopefully by tomorrow I'll have a definitive read on Looker

[vollkan]

vollkan, come baaack. We can get a late run of votes.

To my surprise, it now looks like there has been a late run of votes.

Unvote, Vote: Nero Cain

THAT'S RIGHT NERO, YOUR DREAMS HAVE BECOME REALITY, MY VOTE ON YOU IS INVALID BECAUSE I MISSPELLED YOUR NAME

BTW I MISSPELLED YOUR NAME BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN LURKING HARDCORE

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A POST FROM YOU IN FOREVER

Why me and not NicolBolas?

Deflection much?

And what possible reason could that be? According to him he was acting scummy to gauge reactions. That's even worse. I'm town so I'm going to distract ya'll from scum hunting by acting scummy to gauge reactions. I don't like it or buy it.

The reason is V/LA. If somebody is playing gambitingly, and then has to leave, it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't explain themselves immediately.

And, you do realise that gambiting like that is perfectly legitimate town play - and even if you don't personally like it, that doesn't make it scummy?

I'd also like to note that Vollkan and DH both are outright lying when they say I was voting for him for going V/LA when I was merely noting his V/LA. Maybe they are upset about it 'cause they know it was a faux V/LA?

BS.

1) He was voting(not a scumtell)
2) He went on V/LA (not a scumtell)
3) You vote him for (quote) "All the guy does is vote and then goes V/LA."

So, you turn a combination of two un-scummy things into a faux-scumtell by accusing him of not explaining himself - when both the nature of gambiting and being on VLA themselves more than excuse non-explanation.

(And your invocation of a conspiracy argument at the end to discredit me just gets you a

NC+1

)

1) Without being evasive and turning my question back at me without actually answering it - what was it that CKD had done that merited your FOS?; and [/quiote]

You didn't explain it. I quote:

CKD deserves an FOS until he explains himself berrter.

Which again leads me back to my original point:

If somebody asks you "What have I done that is scummy?" (after you'd clearly expressed the view that you considered them scummy, through your FOS) and you respond by pointing their claim and that you won't lynch them "yet", the only reasonable inference is that you are attacking their claim. If you had some other reason for suspecting him, you presumably would have given it in answer to the question.

If you thought that his claim was scummy enough to merit a FOS without some further justification, you must have had some reason for thinking so.

Which I guess leads nicely to this:

Its perfectly logical to want an explanation. Especially when the guy pussyfooted around claiming for 2 whole posts instead of coming right out and claiming. But your are DELIBERTLY twisting my words;you said

Because it makes absolutely no sense that town-CKD would delay making a claim which has no benefit to D1 knowledge but which would very likely (and, in fact, did) cause mass confusion.

You are framing his actions in the most negative light possible

when I made it clear that I only wanted an explanation.

You had cast an FOS for him, and ended your request for information with a barb "at least not yet". The only reasonable inference was that you were attacking their claim.

On Jack specifically, 109, 108 and 115 may well be stupid and full of fail, but that doesn't make them scummy. And, despite your hyperboic description of 116, you've failed entirely to explain why it is sufficiently scummy to make him a "decent lynch candidate".

I apologize for not auto reading and voting for your scum buddy.

Way to ignore my arguments (I didn't even mention auto-reading; my point was that the posts you attacked as scummy weren't scummy) and instead you again point the finger back at me with a conspiracy.

NC+1

(Also, if there was ever a good use for the label "OMGUS", this would be it - when a person ignores an argument against them and instead just accuses their attacker of being scum on BS conspiracy grounds)

Vezok, replace out. You are seriously incapable of playing this game. I can tolerate inexperience, because people can improve, but you are going nowhere in terms of your play. This game requiers reasoning and analysis; you have neither. Leave.

This is extremely rude. Even if the guys sucks you have no right to tell him to GTFO. Its these kind of elitest posts that just don't belong in a mafia game. And really? If you don't like the guy just for for him.

What is rude is joining a game that requires reasoning and analysis and then making no attempt, over the course of several such games, to even attempt to play at a level beyond that of a well-educated chimp. I have no problem with people who genuinely struggle with the game - but Vezok isn't even trying to improve his play. Not once in the games I have played with him has ever even come close to attempting to properly engage with anything that anybody has said to him.

unvote: vote: Espy
him, Vollkan, Jack or DH would be my choices for a lynch today.

Why am I scum?

Pom 526 is fail.

Still waiting on Jack to answer 523.

Pom 526 raises a legitimate point. The only fail is your response to it.

That's the entirety of the case against him, and so what's his reaction meant to be? He's reacting to a mountain being made out of a mole hill. If there was an actual case against him, then fair enough, but there isn't one, there is a distinct lack of a case but a bunch of people who all went "yeah, Nero would be a good lynch" despite there being nothing to state why.

It isn't the case against him - read my ISO (Ctrl+F "NC+" to find all his points)

[vollkan]

EBWOP: bah, quote fail

vollkan, come baaack. We can get a late run of votes.

To my surprise, it now looks like there has been a late run of votes.

Unvote, Vote: Nero Cain

THAT'S RIGHT NERO, YOUR DREAMS HAVE BECOME REALITY, MY VOTE ON YOU IS INVALID BECAUSE I MISSPELLED YOUR NAME

BTW I MISSPELLED YOUR NAME BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN LURKING HARDCORE

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A POST FROM YOU IN FOREVER

Why me and not NicolBolas?

Deflection much?

And what possible reason could that be? According to him he was acting scummy to gauge reactions. That's even worse. I'm town so I'm going to distract ya'll from scum hunting by acting scummy to gauge reactions. I don't like it or buy it.

The reason is V/LA. If somebody is playing gambitingly, and then has to leave, it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't explain themselves immediately.

And, you do realise that gambiting like that is perfectly legitimate town play - and even if you don't personally like it, that doesn't make it scummy?

I'd also like to note that Vollkan and DH both are outright lying when they say I was voting for him for going V/LA when I was merely noting his V/LA. Maybe they are upset about it 'cause they know it was a faux V/LA?

BS.

1) He was voting(not a scumtell)
2) He went on V/LA (not a scumtell)
3) You vote him for (quote) "All the guy does is vote and then goes V/LA."

So, you turn a combination of two un-scummy things into a faux-scumtell by accusing him of not explaining himself - when both the nature of gambiting and being on VLA themselves more than excuse non-explanation.

(And your invocation of a conspiracy argument at the end to discredit me just gets you a

NC+1

)

1) Without being evasive and turning my question back at me without actually answering it - what was it that CKD had done that merited your FOS?; and

You didn't explain it. I quote:

CKD deserves an FOS until he explains himself berrter.

Which again leads me back to my original point:

If somebody asks you "What have I done that is scummy?" (after you'd clearly expressed the view that you considered them scummy, through your FOS) and you respond by pointing their claim and that you won't lynch them "yet", the only reasonable inference is that you are attacking their claim. If you had some other reason for suspecting him, you presumably would have given it in answer to the question.

If you thought that his claim was scummy enough to merit a FOS without some further justification, you must have had some reason for thinking so.

Which I guess leads nicely to this:

Its perfectly logical to want an explanation. Especially when the guy pussyfooted around claiming for 2 whole posts instead of coming right out and claiming. But your are DELIBERTLY twisting my words;you said

Because it makes absolutely no sense that town-CKD would delay making a claim which has no benefit to D1 knowledge but which would very likely (and, in fact, did) cause mass confusion.

You are framing his actions in the most negative light possible

when I made it clear that I only wanted an explanation.

You had cast an FOS for him, and ended your request for information with a barb "at least not yet". The only reasonable inference was that you were attacking their claim.

On Jack specifically, 109, 108 and 115 may well be stupid and full of fail, but that doesn't make them scummy. And, despite your hyperboic description of 116, you've failed entirely to explain why it is sufficiently scummy to make him a "decent lynch candidate".

I apologize for not auto reading and voting for your scum buddy.

Way to ignore my arguments (I didn't even mention auto-reading; my point was that the posts you attacked as scummy weren't scummy) and instead you again point the finger back at me with a conspiracy.

NC+1

(Also, if there was ever a good use for the label "OMGUS", this would be it - when a person ignores an argument against them and instead just accuses their attacker of being scum on BS conspiracy grounds)

Vezok, replace out. You are seriously incapable of playing this game. I can tolerate inexperience, because people can improve, but you are going nowhere in terms of your play. This game requiers reasoning and analysis; you have neither. Leave.

This is extremely rude. Even if the guys sucks you have no right to tell him to GTFO. Its these kind of elitest posts that just don't belong in a mafia game. And really? If you don't like the guy just for for him.

What is rude is joining a game that requires reasoning and analysis and then making no attempt, over the course of several such games, to even attempt to play at a level beyond that of a well-educated chimp. I have no problem with people who genuinely struggle with the game - but Vezok isn't even trying to improve his play. Not once in the games I have played with him has ever even come close to attempting to properly engage with anything that anybody has said to him.

unvote: vote: Espy
him, Vollkan, Jack or DH would be my choices for a lynch today.

Why am I scum?

Pom 526 is fail.

Still waiting on Jack to answer 523.

Pom 526 raises a legitimate point. The only fail is your response to it.

That's the entirety of the case against him, and so what's his reaction meant to be? He's reacting to a mountain being made out of a mole hill. If there was an actual case against him, then fair enough, but there isn't one, there is a distinct lack of a case but a bunch of people who all went "yeah, Nero would be a good lynch" despite there being nothing to state why.

It isn't the case against him - read my ISO (Ctrl+F "NC+" to find all his points)

[DemonHybrid]

Nero's at 7 votes, did a quick readthrough.