NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[Robbnva]

Damn typing on iPhone is really fml

[Shanba]

Mysterio: I've already laid out in detail why I think most of the case on Wraith is crap and also mentioned in passing (I think only a couple) of the reasons why I think that he is town.

Robb: the deadline extension is mostly for the benefit of the couple of players who have just replaced in and have a 58 page thread to read. That's a lot to gnaw through.

On that note: MME I'd like that you read through this day in its entirety, if possible, rather than cherrypicking stuff. There's a lot to it.

[Robbnva]

Mysterio: I've already laid out in detail why I think most of the case on Wraith is crap and also mentioned in passing (I think only a couple) of the reasons why I think that he is town.

Robb: the deadline extension is mostly for the benefit of the couple of players who have just replaced in and have a 58 page thread to read. That's a lot to gnaw through.

On that note: MME I'd like that you read through this day in its entirety, if possible, rather than cherrypicking stuff. There's a lot to it.

I'm going to find your post about the wraith wagon cause I fell into a trap and I'm finally free so I can focus on the task at hand

gonna tell you it better be a hell of a case cause he sure did not make one for himself, can you link me to the post?

[Xite91]

First

Vote: Deadline extension

Even though I feel lynching and moving on is a better idea, some players still need to catch up.

@ Xite

1) you declaring me scum for no reason is just as scummy as voting for no reason.
2) the post where you said I am scummy because and than listed like 30 of my posts is not valid cause you can't just list posts and say they are scummy but don't explain why each post is scummy
3) the part about lying about something that doesn't matter, if you lie about something that doesn't matter you are most likely to lie about something that does
101 -

Full description on how your daykill works, Xite, if you don't mind.

It's one shot
I say Kill: XXXX
It doesn't happen until a lynch occurs, and then both of them die.
That's all it does.

Oh shit.
Just remembered that I should probably do this

Unvote, vote: robbie

won't be needing that vote on wraith anymore

I don't see a reason so again you just lied saying you gave one and you didn't

and 102 -

.

Are you serious? It's an extra lynch, basically, and you just wasted it on day 2 on a person that might be town? ::uberfacepalm::

Agreed, wasting a day kill on day 2 based on a hunch is risky

if he flipps town, just going to be bad news for Xite.

unvote

Robbie is still scum too.

My vote stays.

- again no reason so again you just lied

110-113 - excuses are excuses no way to validate them as being true
114 - I meant 116

4) and everything else I don't care what you say anymore. just the you voting and declaring me scummy with no reason is enough and than throw in the self ISO, fake gambit, and failure to scum hunt on anyone by myself and that scumhunt is casting your opinion to shut down my opinion so not really a serious effort to scum hunt.
5) i am not changing my vote on you cause I am now 100% confident you are scum and I have pointed out valid reasons
6)

I am also not going to respond to anything else you say to me so don't even waste your time typing. you are not going to change my mind, you are scum for the reasons I posted in my post earlier today and nothing you said in your rebuttle was enough to change my views.

1) Then say that, but don't put words in my mouth, because that is scummy. Also, I gave the posts, already went over this.
2) I did add some explanation in it, just not as much as you would have liked, I guess. Reread it and you might see.
3) That's really WIFOMy you know. Also, it's not true, AND I truly had seen a game where that happened, but again, I can't be bothered to go back through the like 200 games I've read (yeah I have no life ) to find it.
101) I had given some reasons before that, also you were my next choice after Wraith
102) Already gave my reasons means I gave them before that post, so no, I didn't lie, but good try.
113) Would you like a picture of the pregnancy test? How about a copy of the papers to break the lease? How about a picture of my newly cleaned and packed apartment? Will that prove it to you? Or maybe my paycheck stubs? Are you REALLY disputing real life issues? Are you that dumb?
114) I know, wanted to give you a hard time, considering you really didn't address any points in there anyways.
4) Lol, is it that you don't read, or only see what you want to believe? Cuz i'm really not sure which one at this point. Either way, you're scum. Also that last point is useless AtE and go ahead and ignore me, just means I'm right
5) Oh right, those "valid reasons" that I disproved and you're no longer talking to me for.
6) Lul

Alrighty, well it's time for everyone to be voting for Wraith or Mysterio, no ifs ands or buts. Only thing that could change this is a good old deadline extension, but I don't expect to be given one, considering how much time we've had. Just in case I die tonight, I want to say that Xite is probably scum.

Okay, first, read the thread.
Second, Why am I scum?
Third, Why am I scum if you die tonight?
Fourth, why only Wraith or Mystie?

Conclusion: somewhat scummy. But saying

"

Mystie is an active lurker and what he says when he shows up is why he's scummy.

" ~ Xite on the previous page

You asked why he was scummy, I gave my views on why he's scummy. Honestly, this is why I tell people that ask for a description when they first replace in to just go back and read, everyone interprets things differently.

Alrighty, well it's time for everyone to be voting for Wraith or Mysterio, no ifs ands or buts. Only thing that could change this is a good old deadline extension, but I don't expect to be given one, considering how much time we've had. Just in case I die tonight, I want to say that Xite is probably scum.

If and but

we got an extension

did you miss it? Xite thinks HE is gonna die tonight

I may change my vote but if I do it will be porochaz, IMO out of the 3 he is most scummy

We did not get an extension. Nice fail there

I seem to recall it having something to do with IF everyone directs the cop at me I will die tonight, but eh.

Wait, what happened to;

i am not changing my vote on you cause I am now 100% confident you are scum and I have pointed out valid reasons

Alrighty, well it's time for everyone to be voting for Wraith or Mysterio, no ifs ands or buts. Only thing that could change this is a good old deadline extension, but I don't expect to be given one, considering how much time we've had. Just in case I die tonight, I want to say that Xite is probably scum.

1) Uh, you're not dieing tonight.

2) @Shanba, Wraith hasn't acted scummy? Either you are retarded town or his scum buddy.

3) Xite continuing to clutter this thread with possibly the dumbest argument I have ever seen with Robb also makes him/her/it suspicious. Flinter buddying Wraith is obvious at this point as well.

4) Anyone voting for me right now is deliberately trying to derail an obvscum wagon, cause another townie to claim, and possibly miss the deadline ending up in a no lynch. The latter two points hurts town no matter what. If another wagon on one of the players I mentioned (notably flinter and Xite) were guaranteed, I would have no problems switching from one scum wagon to another. But as it stands that seems unlikely, thus voting for anyone else right now will most likely result in a no lynch. If you're pro-town, vote Wraith now.

1) How do you know? Scumslip much?
2) He hasn't been as scummy as some people
3) How is it the dumbest argument? That doesn't make sense to me since a lot of what I say is valid. Also, how is it so obvious? Lul (Just to let you know, robbie, this is classic spaghetti throwing)
4) Oh, the old "everyone voting me is scum" trick. I love this one.

1) And I know i'm in the minority but I'd much rather NL than mislynch, let the cop(s) investigate more

2) worse case lynching another claimed VT in wraith would be okay just cause of the deadline(we don't know if wraith is telling the truth about being VT anyway)

3) the fact Xite tried to kill his bandwagon makes me curious as to why.

1) Do not even hint at NL until later on in the game.
2) There's a quote I want to find of you to attack you for this, but considering you've decided you're gonna ignore me, I guess I won't.
3) Maybe I didn't try to kill it? Maybe I was trying to see reactions? Also, maybe just maybe when I decided to attack you it was because you are FAR MORE SCUMMY than Wraith?

[Xite91]

@Robb, the votes on me are due mostly because of inactivity. A terribly stupid excuse to derail the wagon on Wraith. As a result, we have gotten some fairly scummy reads on the likes of Xite and flinter, and to a lesser extent Shanba. As for UA and bunnylover, the self-voting uselessness of UA and the wishy-washy non-committal play of bunnylover makes them questionable at best.

So, as a result, you're sheeping what you like of what everyone else has said about other players. I'll remember that.

1) until you vote someone else besides yourself. Keep your opinions of me typing inside the quotes to yourself

2) it is easier for ME to respond that way, you can't read it or have trouble responding to it, not MY problem

1) I and at least one other has said the same thing, and we're not voting ourselves, so yeah, hows about those opinions?
2) I give you the goddamn numbers, just go through and delete my stuff, and use the same number to write in your stuff. God, even I'm not that lazy

This post alone is better than anything wraith has said to defend himself so for now I'll give you the benefit if doubt. My vote on Xite won't go anywhere so

vote wraith

no vote for deadline extension

we have enough info to lynch somebody by Friday

Xite is trying to de-rail wraith's wagon for sone reason and the reason he gave of his ISO and meta and afraid of outing an inexperienced PR is just not convincing enough to me.

First, it's only better because you like that he's agreeing with you
Second, if you read the thread in its entirety, you might actually be convinced of things a little easier. Instead of just picking and choosing what to read

[UltimaAvalon]

Robb, and other people, please stop answering points inside the quote. Its extremely difficult to read that way, especially when it keeps going back and forth. Thanks

Rob, first off, the reason you "Dancing around Godfather makes him Godfather" thing is stupid, is because liars don't try to dance around the issue. they completely shut down the issue so that they can leave the topic as soon as possible, for the longer they stay on topic, the more likely they will be found out. Or, since you love analogies so much, if I stick my finger in the cake frosting, and mother asks if I swiped my finger in the cake frosting, my response will be "No, I did not swipe my finger in the cake frosting." If I answered "Are you sure it was me and not my brother?", it will leave the topic up for discussion, allowing mother to reveal that brother isn't home, thus casting more suspicion on me.

Second, yes, a lot of Xite's accusations of you using WIFOM are correct. Particularly your constant use of self-meta from a site that doesn't exist, and the "This is how I play as Town" bits.

Third, the Wiki is a guide, not a rulebook. "This is not how the wiki says this works" is not a valid argument.

Finally, Xite's gambit was a null gambit. It was scummy for derailment, but it also brought too much attention to himself to be a valid scum tactic.

until you vote someone else besides yourself. Keep your opinions of me typing inside the quotes to yourself

it is easier for ME to respond that way, you can't read it or have trouble responding to it, not MY problem

I'm voting myself for a reason. Second, yes, it is your problem if I have to work harder to work out your points, especially if Xite responded the exact same way, forcing me to sift through who said what. I'd even go so far as to say it's scummy to do so, since it's incredibly easy to miss information that way.

Good job quoting the whole post then ignoring 90% of it though.

Vote: Extension plox

[Robbnva]

Have you tried to delete a wall of text on an iPhone? Not easy to do and the only thing I wanted to comment on was the rest.

[Robbnva]

Have you tried to delete a wall of text on an iPhone? Not easy to do and the only thing I wanted to comment on was that one post. Did not care about the rest.

[Porochaz]

Porochaz, you claim Wraith's acted like this as town? Links or it didn't happen.

Ongoing unfortunately.

[Antihero]

VOTE: Deadline extension

I know you all want to move on with the game, but a few extra days would be nice (takes away the time pressure from the already hard enough reread).

[Benmage]

vote deadline extension

i totally need this

[Wraith]

I'd like to point this out for the town to see:

THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS BELIEVE BOTH XITE AND SHANBA ARE TOWN. NOTICE THAT THE TWO PLAYERS (BESIDES ME) THAT ARE CONSIDERED THE SCUMMIEST ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO BOTH PUSH MY WAGON AND SET UP MISLYNCHES ON TWO OBVTOWN PLAYERS.
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The wrench in their plan is that when I flip town they are monumentally screwed.

Two days to deadline, let's finish this.

Unvote Vote: Wraith

[Wraith]

I want to address dana's last post specifically as well. Note this: When I flip town, I guarantee your read of Xite as scum will immediately reverse, and there will be a high chance he dies tonight. You still have failed to post a reason for voting me beyond "what a great bandwagon"

[Porochaz]

I will be voting you. Maybe my case on why your town is wrong. It has already been stated by someone in my reread that you don't consistently play this way. It worries me you have carried on the same lines as Kise's weird Godfather claim, thats why I'll be voting for you over Mysterio when deadline hits. Particularly because in my iso of him I didn't notice anything unusual.

In response to Shanba's case, its a fair one. Some interesting points. I honestly didn't notice hiphop initially but he was worse than bunnylover, thats why I went back to him the next day.

For reference, I feel slots 3-5, 9 and 22 need to be checked out. Also I want to check out Xite but eventually had to stop reading because there was just too much. I read a quote that townie's read all walls of text. Which is bullshit in the first place. 1. I can use my dyslexia excuse here but even so 2. noone wants to have to go through masses of text and 3. Most points can be made in half the text.

[Porochaz]

also

unvote

[Xite91]

Sorry, like I said, that obviously isn't as true a tell anymore because people got lazy, and when I say things in just a few words, they get twisted or misunderstood, and so on, so I explain everything to its fullest. Especially for robbie, who seems to have a hard time understanding any of what's said to him. And It's even more of a tell that someone is scum when they make a case against someone but don't read the whole rebuttal to that case, because that means they don't believe in that case as much as they should if they were town

[singersigner]

I don't agree with extending the deadline. Two players who got replaced aren't going to make the difference in finding scum at this point. All they would do if either confirm what everyone else has been saying all along, or bring in someone different, completely derailing the wagons we have now. While I admit that could be a good thing, I'd rather wait til after this lynch, so the replacements don't interrupt too much of the information we can gain from the lynch at this point. They can use the night phase to catch up. The only reason they would have to worry about not being able to catch up during that time is if they're scum who need time to strategize after having caught up using/wasting our time.

[Robbnva]

@shanba, unless I missed it somewhere I don't see a detailed laid out case against wraith lynch

I do like some of the comments you made about Xite and very interesting now they are sort of similar to the comments I have been making about his play. Not sure why I never noticed before.

[Xite91]

I don't agree with extending the deadline. Two players who got replaced aren't going to make the difference in finding scum at this point. All they would do if either confirm what everyone else has been saying all along, or bring in someone different, completely derailing the wagons we have now. While I admit that could be a good thing, I'd rather wait til after this lynch, so the replacements don't interrupt too much of the information we can gain from the lynch at this point. They can use the night phase to catch up. The only reason they would have to worry about not being able to catch up during that time is if they're scum who need time to strategize after having caught up using/wasting our time.

But we can get information on if they're scum based on their reactions to the wagons when someone flips.

[Flameaxe]

Votecount 2.17

Wraith [9] (Gorrad, Mysterio, Benmage, ConfidAnon, danakillsu, Bunnylover, Reck, Rob, Wraith)

Mysterio [6] (Flinter, Singersigner, @.@, hiphop, Wickedestjr, Shanba)
Prozac [2] (Kise, Lowell)
UltimaAvalon [1] (UltimaAvalon)
Robbnva [1] (Xite)

Not Voting [1] (My Milked Eek)

With 21 alive it will take 11 for a lynch and 11 for a no lynch.

Deadline:

Friday September 17th, 2010, 9:00 PM MST. This deadline is negotiable by a majority vote.
Extension [7] (Shanba, Eek, Mysterio, Xite, UA, Antihero, Benmage)

[singersigner]

Yeah, it's a toss up. Whatever you guys want to do. Honestly, this game is loaded, and I could probably use the time, but don't really care to take it. I want to think laterally at this point, and the only way to do that is to keep the game moving. There's bound to be other wagons we can analyze their reactions to later. This is only one, you know?

[Robbnva]

I don't agree with extending the deadline. Two players who got replaced aren't going to make the difference in finding scum at this point. All they would do if either confirm what everyone else has been saying all along, or bring in someone different, completely derailing the wagons we have now. While I admit that could be a good thing, I'd rather wait til after this lynch, so the replacements don't interrupt too much of the information we can gain from the lynch at this point. They can use the night phase to catch up. The only reason they would have to worry about not being able to catch up during that time is if they're scum who need time to strategize after having caught up using/wasting our time.

+1

the new guys can just run a quick iso on ther people who have wagons and vote that way, ISO only takes 30 minutes maybe and hour to really go through per person

[Xite91]

I don't agree with extending the deadline. Two players who got replaced aren't going to make the difference in finding scum at this point. All they would do if either confirm what everyone else has been saying all along, or bring in someone different, completely derailing the wagons we have now. While I admit that could be a good thing, I'd rather wait til after this lynch, so the replacements don't interrupt too much of the information we can gain from the lynch at this point. They can use the night phase to catch up. The only reason they would have to worry about not being able to catch up during that time is if they're scum who need time to strategize after having caught up using/wasting our time.

+1

the new guys can just run a quick iso on ther people who have wagons and vote that way, ISO only takes 30 minutes maybe and hour to really go through per person

I only have one thing to say to this...

?

[Porochaz]

It took me roughly 90 mins to 2 hours to go through page 30 onwards and even then, I was eventually missing out Xites posts.

[singersigner]

Robbnva...ISOs don't give all the information. ISOs work after they get the general idea of what's going on, and then from there, they can hone in once they realize the context of that particular person's posts. You're basically asking them to place a vote on incomplete information. Way to go.