Open 245 - Mini Love - Scum win!

[tvellalott]

andrew94 (5): Zed, Tasky, quadz08, Battousai, Mokujin_
Battousai (2): andrew94, ZeroFang
Tasky (1): WingsOWisdom
ZeroFang (1): drmyshottyizsik
Mokujin_ (1): GarethByrd
quadz08 (1): tvellalott
Not voting (1): don_johnson,

12 alive, 7 to lynch

Deadline Wednesday 29th September, 10PM GMT

I don't think he's worth keeping around. If he really is the doctor, the chances of him making a correct save are essentially nil anyway.

What the hell are you talking about, there is no correct save. There aren't any other PRs.

[Mokujin_]

what is rick roll.
also, you fail moku, for not reading the roles before playing (i assume ur not paying attention)

why is ur vote still on me

At least I don't fail for the reason you do. But no, not paying attention. Yet.

unvote

@quaz at least we have a chance to lynch someone today, before i / someone else dies to frame me dies tonight

now at least consider my case on zero and batt

Where?

I feel that andrew's play is making it essentially impossible to scumhunt, in all honesty. I think he's our best lynch for today, in order to ensure our future productivity in scumhunting, once we have more information after the night.

Maybe the mafia will leave him alive due to WIFOM?

But seriously, Andrew, [more than] half of me wants to say just STFU except at Night to protect someone. Seriously.

[Mr.Sandman]

Deadline Wednesday 29th September, 10PM GMT

[quadz08]

I don't think he's worth keeping around. If he really is the doctor, the chances of him making a correct save are essentially nil anyway.

What the hell are you talking about, there is no correct save. There aren't any other PRs.

Uhhh..... what? By correct save, I mean protecting the player the mafia targets.

It wouldn't surprise me if the mafia did leave him alive, honestly.

Andrew, you have no case on either of them. Make a serious, legitimate case, and I'll consider it.

[Zed]

Yes, I have cake cause its my birthday

I honestly didn't unvote for andrew because I'm not sure how I feel about his claim. I'm really leaning more to not beleiving it, and I had planned on voting tvellalott later if I didn't like his response. That and I didn't notice he was at L-1.

don_johnson, if the doctor isn't in danger of being lynched himself, he shouldn't claim. Its only day one, a counterclaim would be a pretty bad idea at this point in the game. The best thing for the real doctor to do, if andrew isn't him, is to let it slide and make a strong case of lynching him later on, if andrew survives.

[Mokujin_]

unvote

. What an inconvenient coincidence.

For record, not voting him again unless a doc claims. I'll ignore him, though, and beg him to lurk through the rest of the game.

Would it be protown to speculate things about the setup?

[andrew94]

dude its an open setup

[andrew94]

my case on zero: he defends me when i was under pressure, then when i get even more pressure, he says 'sorry for defending him' after my claim, he then proceeds to defend me by attacking mokujin for being blind

my case on batt: he has only 8 posts, wants me out of the game cos im too 'pro scumhunter', finds me an easy target becos i use different methods to scumhunt, then dissapperes of the face of the earth

tvetallot: lurks for the whole of the start then jumps out and defends me vigourously after i claim, then creates obvious posts in an blatant attempt to buddy me

[Mokujin_]

Still very bad logic.

Also, you know the reason he wants you out of the game. It isn't because you're "different", but more that you're "terrible". And he left because of it.

Better grammar makes you seem smarter, btw.

[tvellalott]

tvetallot: lurks for the whole of the start then jumps out and defends me vigourously after i claim, then creates obvious posts in an blatant attempt to buddy me

What exactly are you saying, that defending the uncc'ed doc while he is at L-1 is scummy?
I did lurk at the start, I don't deny that, but it doesn't mean anything and I'm certainly not the only one who lurked. The reason I do is exactly to avoid the rubbish you're saying about me now. Blatent attempt at buddying? Pffft.

[Mokujin_]

I suggest you ignore him with me. He's probably town, but...you get the idea.

[andrew94]

yea, look at all your posts, just buddying

[andrew94]

r u guys ssaying that you are going to IGNORE me for the whole game?
great

[Mokujin_]

Well, I'm reading your posts. But generally once that happens, I will disregard them.

I mean, you listed who you thought was a lover or not.

[andrew94]

so? if they die and flip lover you will know that im right

[quadz08]

andrew, you really don't know what you're doing, do you? I like Mokujin's idea from 210.

[ZeroFang]

I feel that andrew's play is making it essentially impossible to scumhunt, in all honesty. I think he's our best lynch for today, in order to ensure our future productivity in scumhunting, once we have more information after the night.

It's already been suggested that he be replaced, and I put forth the suggestion that we ignore him for the most part. There's no need to lose our uncounterclaimed doctor (no matter how scummy or annoying), and if he is a doctor he'll die tonight anyway. I still maintain that townies will want to lynch scum, with the scum wanting to lynch anyone but other scum. I see this as opportunistic scum trying to set up a wagon on a rowdy townie.

UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz08

[andrew94]

while totally ignoring my case

[ZeroFang]

I put forth the suggestion that we ignore him for the most part.

You are a literate member of society, correct?

[quadz08]

I feel that andrew's play is making it essentially impossible to scumhunt, in all honesty. I think he's our best lynch for today, in order to ensure our future productivity in scumhunting, once we have more information after the night.

It's already been suggested that he be replaced, and I put forth the suggestion that we ignore him for the most part. There's no need to lose our uncounterclaimed doctor (no matter how scummy or annoying), and if he is a doctor he'll die tonight anyway. I still maintain that townies will want to lynch scum, with the scum wanting to lynch anyone but other scum. I see this as opportunistic scum trying to set up a wagon on a rowdy townie.

UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz08

As I've said before, I consider him essentially useless as a doctor anyway. Doctor seems to me like a very difficult role to play, and I have very, very little confidence in Andrew's ability to play it correctly. If Andrew is lynched today, we make our lives much easier for the rest of the game, as well as be able to get more information from tonight's NK than we would if scum killed the claimed doc.

Now, just as clarification (I thought I had written this before, but I appear to be mistaken) I'm not saying we should lynch him over somebody who's decently scummy. I just don't think there's really anyone who's particularly scummy, yet. I'm also not calling for an immediate lynch; I want to be able to use this Day to try to find scum for as long as we can. However, I'm more than willing (obviously) to lynch Andrew if a real scum candidate doesn't come up.

[tvellalott]

Lynching the doctor is soooo fail. Regardless of how bad a player he is, killing him today means that mafia don't have to kill him tonight and can kill someone else. Possibly our two lovers. Your whole argument for his lynching is moronic and the fact you want to pursue it is hugely scummy.

[quadz08]

I suppose my ultimate motivation for it is thus: Do you REALLY want him in endgame? And when else will we be able to afford lynching him?

[ZeroFang]

Do you REALLY want him in endgame?

It's day 1. If he's the doctor, he'll probably be dead by morning. Either way, he's out of the game.

[quadz08]

How is he out of the game if we don't lynch him and the mafia doesn't kill him?

[ZeroFang]

If that happens, we either have scum on our hands, or a very stupid mafia.