Mini 1056 - NFL Mafia (Game Over)

[rajrhcpfreak]

/confirm

go buccs

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: Razgriz

yeah you dont know the rules. but you have to learn.

[rajrhcpfreak]

raider fans are the worst. not to mention im pretty sure the town out number you. meaning that if any group of people are scum its you all.

[rajrhcpfreak]

honestly making a fake list and putting yourself second is kinda scummy.

first why even put yourself on the list. if you were first would you self vote? that is the worst way to help the town.
i think razgris is prolly just dead weight that wont help the town from his first couple of posts.
so inhim, you should jump on.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Unvote, vote: rajrhcpfreak

Suggesting policy lynches is scummy.

yes my policy is to lynch players that are anti town. unfortunately alot of players who have town roles play pro scum. is that my fault? no.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i really dont know. because its not really policy. its playing the game to the maximum potential.

[rajrhcpfreak]

as much as i love a good bandwagon there isnt enough for me to switch. i would like to hear more from mongoose. looks like most of his posts have joke undertones and random stuff.

[rajrhcpfreak]

inhim you do smiley faces incorrectly.

[rajrhcpfreak]

I'm so sorry, Jason. My thoughts are with you.


I'd like to hear what Razgriz has to say about the Mongoose wagon. I'm torn between the two at the moment. They both are posting w/o saying a whole lot.

everything is good about this post.
Mongoose sounds like hes trying to help or trying his hardest as scum to make himself look useful. there is a fine line between those two and right now hes on it.
but Razgriz has made absolutely no helpful comments.

GW is playing well. on be hath of the town, keep it up.

[rajrhcpfreak]

unvote

the only reason for me to keep my vote on was because of his lack of anything with substance.
i think i can unvote and give the replacement sometime to get into the game.

points for anithero for recognizing that im not actively lurking.

[rajrhcpfreak]

really?

ive been trying to avoid voting for you since your first post was attacking me. but i am not actively lurking and modkilling is bad no matter what. we are 4 pages in and you were able to get into the game easily.

vote: drmyshottyizsik

[rajrhcpfreak]

locke: just to let you know inhim usually buddies up with me. prolly because he knows im a lose cannon and think he can read me well. i then know that if he doesnt support me then hes prolly scum. weve just played so long together its habit and if it doesnt happen then one of us is scum. if it does happen then we both are town, or both scum, or one is scum and we are following our normal game play not to look suspicious.

[rajrhcpfreak]

no, there is a great chance you will then lynch two town. then the town will be lead by shotty and coach, heaven forbid.

[rajrhcpfreak]

locke: just to let you know inhim usually buddies up with me. prolly because he knows im a lose cannon and think he can read me well. i then know that if he doesnt support me then hes prolly scum. weve just played so long together its habit and if it doesnt happen then one of us is scum. if it does happen then we both are town, or both scum,

or one is scum and we are following our normal game play

not to look suspicious.

lets all gloss over the most likely explanation where the last one is what happens. if i have to ill go ahead and link all the games weve ever been in. its really wifom, to discuss what kind of interaction happens right now.

oh and inhim buddies up with me. i dont really buddy up with him.
even though inhim is sold on me being town. i am always suspicious of inhim for most of the game.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oh i just ment a policy lynch on inhim and i would leave players like those two, who i think are scummiest slide into day 3. i didnt realize that you were asking me that question. and that post wasnt directed at you. it was anyone that was getting derailed by this conversation.

[rajrhcpfreak]

I like my vote because it doesn't seem like an "I'm really busy and signed up without thinking" replacement. It seems like a "Well, crap. I signed up, got scum, and I don't like playing scum. This game sucks." Others may not see it that way, but Raz had a couple votes on him and he obviously was interested when he signed up (or why would he sign up?). It seems like a pathetic excuse to me. And I don't agree with the excuse that it's a slow start. Most games start a bit slow. If you want immediate action, don't start games; replace into them halfway through, instead. I hope his replacement proves me wrong, but my vote stays for now.

thats a really interesting take, though you could say the same thing about being a VT, in a game with so many interesting roles. Or he may not want the pressure or being QB. So I don't think it really is a scum tell.

actually that is a great point i forgot to mention earlier. its clearly wifom, and probably was a weak reason to keep a vote on a person. good thing is, Locke is a great player and was able to get in the game easily.
if i had to choose between scum leaving or vt leaving i would have to choose scum, because alot of players, like running backs and wide outs dont have any night ability besides the fact that they have an ability.

[rajrhcpfreak]

im having trouble finding them. with all of out old game archived i cant search the stuff.
we were in http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14071
and he ignored me the whole time. well, more or less didnt comment on my behavior and let me run crazy.
other games he strokes my ego my listening to my "raj's pick three(c)" and then running with it, many times he asks me for it. i make a mention of it in that game, he disagrees.
prolly the biggest thing that sticks out is playing IRL (that was about a month ago and he did this, until he caught my mom telling me who the cop was and that we should kill him at night) and in chat (back in the old days).

[rajrhcpfreak]

Though kdub has been chasing red herrings a lot in this game, I've satisfied myself with his play after the reread.

we have a bunch of good players in the game. when someone chases after the red herrings it jumps out more than usual. not necessarily scum. right now im trying to figure it out, is he scum trying to get us off topic. or is it a misled

considering the discussion happened earlier on the same page I made my post, I'd hardly consider it "dead". I saw something odd, so I'm going to continue the discussion of that until it has been addressed in a satisfactory manner. The fact that you are trying to declare the discussion "dead" after misinterpreting my post in order to qualify your vote on me is weak.

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he was called out, he said that he wasnt an investigative role. the only reason it could be brought up is if the possibility of him being scum bread crumbing. posting fluff to continue the conversation to protect him isnt helpful.

i do want to say that there is a Ghost-antihero connection that makes me feel uneasy. but it might just be analogous to mine and inhims relationship. but other than that connection i find both of them pro town.

mari, mari, mari... i get you to join the game and you ignore me all game? on your play-style its going in the right direction, i just find it uneasy when someone ignores me. actually i think thats why i like the GG/BG lists by antihero, everyone on that list is going the same direction as me. and with some pretty strong town reads on everyone in the list i dont think its some conspiracy.

now its been a while since i posted... my vote...
well shotty hasnt done anything to warrant me changing my vote. he overloaded the thread on thursday then disappears with a couple of votes.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i find mongoose scumy. but the three previous votes are exactly why im not putting my vote on there.
how about a claim mongoose.

[rajrhcpfreak]

three previous posts, not votes

[rajrhcpfreak]

inhim, you dont think that shotty/mongoose/coach pick three is possible?
seams like its too easy.

[rajrhcpfreak]

@shotty: Next post, claim.

@freak: Who else is on your scumdar, then?

mainly those three. but this lynch will help me define some things.
Kdub would be interesting too look at since hes not on the wagon. its hard to think that the scum would all be on shotty's wagon without a fight.
jimfinn has been on the shotty wagon early and if he was scum it would be opportunistic for him to stay on the wagon until he imploded. the same could be said about me, but i would hope that people see that i believe that shotty is scum and i havnt been given a good reason to remove my vote.
horrordude0215 - has been bugging me for some reason. i cant lay my finger on it right now.

on claim. it doesnt match.

[rajrhcpfreak]

im in class. so i cant discus much yet. expect more tonight.

but as promised pick three...

vote: mongoose{/b]

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: mongoose

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok travis is a moron. sorry i doubted you inhim.

now his claim. i was going over it and it sounds like there is a possibility of multiple LBs and TEs.
the easiest way to confirm coach is to tell everyone that if you are a TE, then dont use an action and coach should use an action, preferably the protection one so he doesn't waste a lot of our points. just to remind you coach, you outed yourself and if you use the cop ability you could use all our points and get injured tonight where we dont get any info.

[rajrhcpfreak]

but there is only one guarenteed TE.
TE is the only doctor/roleblocker that we have. and a pretty good cop, probably better than the QB.
now that you are out, theres noone to protect you. you getting NK'd is a wifom argument, that we will discuss if you survive tonight. the only thing that we can do is assume that the defense is going to maximize their game play which would be taking out a confirmed TE. that way the only night info the town can get is through the QB and if the QB comes out then he will be injured the next night. again the QB can only confirm who is good.
dont take offense to me calling you a moron. because right now i am probably one of the few that believe you. take my insults as constructive criticism.

just some mafia advice: even if a bandwagon forms, wait until you are at L-1 or L-2. if they kill you before you can claim then they will be giving themselves away as scum.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oops i over looked that. but a FB may not be in the game only one TE, RB, LB, & QB are definitely in the game.
so there could be another "doctor role"

[rajrhcpfreak]

What happens if multiple TEs try to use points on the same night?

good question. i pm'ed the mod

[rajrhcpfreak]

@inhim: To be sure, mongoose is the lynch for today; now I'm trying to find the 3rd scum.

@shotty: Next post, claim.

@freak: Who else is on your scumdar, then?

mainly those three. but this lynch will help me define some things.
Kdub would be interesting too look at since hes not on the wagon. its hard to think that the scum would all be on shotty's wagon without a fight.

im pretty confident that Kdub is the third. mongoose & shotty were from my original. and raj's pick three gets 2 out of three.

just look at how hes been pushing inhim all day and not mongoose at all.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i dont know about the investigation but yes he should confirm himself by using an action.
i would rather him randomly protect someone. if he investigates someone and gets killed then we get nothing out of it.
if its a choice between protect and investigate its up to CT to make the choice. maybe the unknown will keep the defense from killing him tonight. there is the QB who has an innocent because of the touchdown from last night. personally i think the QB is more important since the backup is gone. WIFOM OVERLOADZZ!!11
if mongoose is correct, then we will have 21 points and i would rather CT try to block someone to try to stop a kill, which might block his killer from killing him.

once again lets reiterate... IF YOU ARE A TE AND YOUR NAME ISNT COACH TRAVIS DO NOT USE YOUR ABILITY TONIGHT.

[rajrhcpfreak]

if someone trys to claim they are a TE and say they checked someone. they will be killed.

[rajrhcpfreak]

kdub is voting inhim because he doesnt want to vote out his scum buddy mongoose.

also, inhim is the only person people have any doubts about right now.

1+1=2

come on make it harder for us.

[rajrhcpfreak]

inHim + raj + mari = oldskool pwnage

[rajrhcpfreak]

if someone gets modkilled, will mongoose be killed too?

[rajrhcpfreak]

i mean, if someone gets mod killed then there will be 9 players. 5 to lynch, hes at 5 right now.

[rajrhcpfreak]

well you both checked in and we are kinda waiting on a claim....

[rajrhcpfreak]

i agree

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: jimfinn

the only one scummy on mongoose's lynch, imho. we can go back to him trying to give us his meta to explain why he wasnt posting. was early on the shotty lynch. and was so helpful piggybacking on what i said about the TE.

all of those reasons are enough for a vote.

[rajrhcpfreak]

why is being on the lynch early scummy?
its mostly wifom, i wrote half a paragraph and i realized its not that helpful. mainly you rode the lynch after getting on it not having to quantify it any more. i just wish there was more meat to your argument for lynching the one scum we caught.

why isnt Kdub very high on my scum list? he wasnt on either lynch. no busing his buddy or pushing the lynch onto a protown player that was playing scummy.

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok sorry about being absent recently. my last midterm ever was this past week.
now i think we need to be careful about lynching today. i think a miss lynch will even everything up since CT had to come out.
i am very willing to vote horror. and let me just say that

unvote
fos: horror

he claims hes a wide receiver. we got a touchdown night one, so im assuming that the QB threw to a WR and got the TD. if the QB threw to horror night one then i think they should come out and stop the mis lynch. if not, then in a couple of days i will be placing the hammer.

ps. if people want to debate my proposal of the QB coming out then you should go ahead and say something.

[rajrhcpfreak]

umm it means that if we lynch wrong then were looking at 4 town vs 2 scum tomorrow.
thats assuming that there are three scum which the posted roles makes it sound like it.

so two bad lynches away from losing, that means its the perfect time for the QB to come out if he has info on horror.

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: horror

if those two are going to waffle then im going to put my vote down. mainly its the claim for me.i dont think hes a WR and unless a QB tells me that he is, i wont be moving my vote.

and thank you Kdub. your last paragraph is exactly what i was saying. not to mention if the QB doesnt want to come out then he doesnt have to. but there should be enough results to start the process of elimination.

[rajrhcpfreak]

inhim and mari are waffling on a very good horror vote.

am i ignoring your vote mari?
1: the comments that were made earlier in the game in very meta and are pretty shaky to attack someone.
2: you are completely ignoring the numbers behind the reason, "not liking my posts" are not significant reasons.

why i want the QB to come out. we know that there is a WR in the game since there was a 100 yard gain. that means horror is the WR or there is another WR in the game (this option of course has two possibilities two WR or horror is lying). right now i believe that someone else is the WR. but if horror is the person that scored the TD night one i think the town deserves to know that we are going the wrong direction and pick a new lynch.



i also will say:
If I am the QB, I did not pass to horror on N1

[rajrhcpfreak]

before i get in trouble for not commenting on horrors vote on me

Horror: Raj's position makes complete sense. Of course there is the possibility of 2 WRs in the game. There's also the possibility that you're fakeclaiming. Raj is going with the second possibility. I don't see what you think the inconsistency is.

:great posting:

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: inHim

hes scum.

ps hes visiting me this weekend so i dont know if he will be online until monday.

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok, well dont quick lynch him. he should be back on monday, maybe on sunday.

main reason was his flipflop on horror.

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok the D only scored 7 points last night right?
so is it safe to assume that the corner back chose the same person as the QB to cause the interception?
i know there is the rare possibility that there are two linebackers, but an interception would mean that the defense would have scored 14 points last night.

and locke: i assumed that since Coach died we havnt had a TE and there is no reason to gain points, just use the QB as a weak cop. so i am hoping that the QB is throwing to other people. if the offense gains 50/100 yards then they will be confirmed innocent.

anti-hero as the person who caught the TD night one... probably, i assume that we will find out once the QB finally claims.

like i said yesterday we are flirting with losing if we lynch wrong right now. i dont know how everyone would feel about a mass claim, i am always up for it but thats just how i play the end game of mafia. i know it would be ideal to do it tomorrow with a dead inhimscum but i would hate to regret it.

[rajrhcpfreak]

he and his girlfriend left lexington to go back to nashville sunday around noon.
she had an interview today then she was going back home in western kentucky.
i expect him to get on as soon as she leaves town.

now me asking if we should mass claim... the only thing that does is possibly kill the momentum of inhim's lynch. why would i be supporting his lynch and also want to stopping it. especially at this point of the game.
the reason why my record is so well in the end game (the wiki says im 9-3). if i was scum i would ride the game out, force 1 bad lynch today hopefully fast too. honestly i could have waited and not said anything until inhim showed up and also hope that someone doesnt believe him and hammers before i have to stick my foot in my mouth, but im discussing here because the town needs to get all of its info out in the open so we can make the correct lynch.

[rajrhcpfreak]

mari looks really scummy with her being on every lynch late in the game. not to mention it sounds she wants to lynch me for very innocent things. yesterday and today, i make a comment and if you take it at face value then the typical amateur scum hunter would jump on it. just like the claim thing. we have to lynch right today, simple fact. we are protecting the QB so much but are we willing to risk him getting killed at night and we have no information. not to mention Locke's comment on anti being the source on the N1 TD, that assumption sounds like the corner back who has information.

the locke/razgriz play style is scary. razgriz was given pressure early and then when he flaked because of it and didnt respond; we gave locke a pass continued to play and hes played very UTR. but like i said in the previous paragraph it seams very suspicious that he is making all those assumptions. the biggest one would be that there is only 2 WR, especially where in this game WRs have no power (the power belongs to the QB).

the real question i am asking myself, is who could be partners in these 3. if inhim was innocent then mari or locke could have hammered him and ended the game.

#1 inhim
#2 mari
#3 Locke

[edit: i just did the numbers and i think you all might be right about not mass claiming or the QB coming out. the only thing good about doing it now is giving us a better percentage to making it to tomorrow. we will also have at least 1 confirmed innocent since there was a 50 yard gain. 2 innocents if there was a 3rd WR. of course the obvious reasons to not claim is the QB surviving and we have 1-4 confirmed innocents; if the QB died then we will have 0-1 innocents.
but this is the intelligent discussion i think we should have about this option.]

[rajrhcpfreak]

mari, you keep repeating the mafia 101 handbook.
i didnt say blindly follow me or not to question me, i said "lets have an intelligent discussion."
i said the possibilities and the risks of not doing it and the gains for not doing it.

if you want to pick things apart then do this post:

[edit: i just did the numbers and i think you all might be right about not mass claiming or the QB coming out. the only thing good about doing it now is giving us a better percentage to making it to tomorrow. we will also have at least 1 confirmed innocent since there was a 50 yard gain. 2 innocents if there was a 3rd WR. of course the obvious reasons to not claim is the QB surviving and we have 1-4 confirmed innocents; if the QB died then we will have 0-1 innocents.
but this is the intelligent discussion i think we should have about this option.]

[rajrhcpfreak]

had inhim been a runningback or fullback (or the one that the QB used) then i think there would have been a little more resistance to the wagon.
so i dont think he is one of the confirmable roles.

voting no lynch does nothing to make me think that you are town inhim. and since you arnt one of the confirmable roles i think you should claim. AFTER that we can decide if you are scum. it will also help our QB make a better choice for tonight, since mari is so deadset on keeping the QB hidden.

im really thinking this is a mari-inhim scum pair making a last ditch effort to kill the QB tonight and keeping their group still together. this will be the first time scum would be in the drivers seat with 4-2 tomorrow with a dead QB.


and mari, i wont unvote until inhim claims.

[edit: there are 3 options, let me go through them]
1: mass claim, lynch correctly, 3-1 tomorrow, 1 confirmed innocent, lynch correctly, win
1a: mass claim, lynch correctly, 3-1 tomorrow, 1 confirmed innocent, lynch incorrectly, lose
1b: mass claim, lynch incorrectly, lose

<highlights: informed decision currently, minimal chance of losing today, will lose QB, still have an innocent in the end game.>

2: lynch blindly, lynch correctly, 3-1 tomorrow, QB survives, at least another confirmed innocent, lynch correctly, win
2a: lynch blindly, lynch correctly, 3-1 tomorrow, QB survives, at least another confirmed innocent, lynch incorrectly, lose
2b: lynch blindly, lynch correctly, 3-1 tomorrow, QB dies, no confirmed innocents, lynch correctly, win
2c: lynch blindly, lynch correctly, 3-1 tomorrow, QB dies, no confirmed innocents, lynch incorrectly, lose
2d: lynch blindly, lynch incorrectly, lose

<highlights: gamble with the QB, even if the QB lives then we still might only have a limited or no other confirmable people to then lynch twice in a row. remember that interceptions could happen and keep the QB from getting any results tomorrow.>

3: no lynch, 3-2 tomorrow, QB survives, at least another confirmed innocent, lynch correctly, 2-1 next day, 1 confirmed innocent, lynch correctly, win
3a: no lynch, 3-2 tomorrow, QB survives, at least another confirmed innocent, lynch correctly, 2-1 next day, 1 confirmed innocent, lynch incorrectly, lose
3b: no lynch, 3-2 tomorrow, QB dies, lynch correctly, 2-1 next day, lynch correctly, win
3c: no lynch, 3-2 tomorrow, QB dies, lynch correctly, 2-1 next day, lynch incorrectly, lose
3d: no lynch, 3-2 tomorrow, QB dies, lynch incorrectly, lose

<highlights: can't lose today, can't win tomorrow, if QB dies then we are in a hole, if QB lives then we are in the driver's seat.>

me outlining this is just to go over all the possibilities. i find it very suspicious that mari disregards my proposal automatically but embraces inhim's

[rajrhcpfreak]

I think between #2 (lynch) and #3 (no lynch), the outcomes look fairly equal. I would like to point out though, that if inHim is scum (and I think he is), he is potentially a cornerback who could interfere with QB results tonight if we let him live. The fact that inHim was the one to bring up no lynch in the first place does nothing to make me feel better about this possibility. So I would prefer to just lynch inHim today.

i think your right in that thinking. the only reason i would no lynch is if i didnt know who i wanted to lynch. so if inhim has to convince me that he is innocent and refusing to claim doesnt help along with the no lynch gambit.
the problem of inhim being innocent, for me, means jimfinn and Kdub has to be scum.

jimfin: you have to remember that mari is convinced that inhim is town.

kdub: she thinks its you two because she thinks inhim is innocent. that means with two scum the three people on inhim's lynch 2 of them are guilty. and of course im innocent

[rajrhcpfreak]

sorry...

Locke's Post #494: great analysis.

now clear mari, which i see why but i dont support. she could have easily taken the opportunity to jump on his lynch, i was pretty clear that i wasnt leaving the shotty lynch, so the numbers to lynch mongoose was low.
you draw a conclusion that inhim is scum since one of the players on the early mongoose lynch was scum. if that is true then the the only people that could be his partner would be you or mari.
i wasnt busing shotty, i truly though he was scum. i dont know about jimfinn.

so Kdub could be a possibility. but if he is scum then his partner has to be either me or jimfinn. so its jimfin.
so right now i see that the scum would be inhim/mari or inhim/locke. very rare chance that its jimfinn/kdub.

[rajrhcpfreak]

we have to "risk the game" today or tomorrow.
i could vote no lynch, but with out a claim from inhim i will NEVER vote no lynch.
we have atleast 1 confirmed role, two including the QB. if you want to get more information you can no lynch but that information is limited, you have no doctor for protection and the QB is limited. so we are risking the information we have right now at a chance of getting no more information. proposing a no lynch is only in inhim's interests because he doesnt want to die which if he claimed it would have worked better.

so risking it today? why not, like i said in the previous post inhim is in 2/3 of the scum possibilities. one that i didnt say was kdub/inhim its rare but its another one in his direction.
i know its selfish, but i dont want to have a tomorrow where we still need two lynches and we have no QB. i also dont want a tomorrow where i am not a participant. so that means i want to lynch correctly today, that is why i prefer a mass claim today and get one of them right now. but right now all the possibilities point at one person.

lets look at just the vote counts. charter's ISO #20 on Wednesday October 06, 2010 10:28 PM.

VOTE COUNT

mongoose

- 4 (Mariyta, rajrhcpfreak,

Coach Travis

, inHimshallibe)

Coach Travis

- 2 (Kdub, jimfinn)
inHimshallibe - 1 (

mongoose

)

NOT VOTING

Antihero

Locke Lamora

horrordude0215

6 to lynch

we have neither jimfinn or kdub on the mongoose lynch. next VC kdub switches to inhim and mongoose switches to kdub. if they were scum they only needed 6 to get him. so i dont see why a scum-kdub would be with inhim by voting for him and keeping the mongoose lynch from proceeding.
the next day kdub was another holdout not wanting to lynch horror.


if its really a case of jimfinn busing shotty on day 1 and then tag-teaming with kdub early today to run up inhim. then i suggest that you (inhim) agree with me and call for the mass claim because right now i will not risk it by letting you live another day. inhim first (mass claim or not he needs to claim), QB second, and then the QB set the rest of the people, last the QB reveal his results.

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok night two we gained 50 yards. that means it was either a fullback or a running back. i am assuming that if inhim was that person then the QB would have defended him much more.
two runningbacks? i highly doubt having two of them. but we were proved wrong with horror being a WR. Knee jerk reaction says that we have 1 running back and a fullback.


well i think everyone should say this:
if i were the QB i did not pass or hand the ball off to inhim night 2.

if the QB did do it they have to come forward and keep us from mis-lynching.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oh yeah your right about the handing the ball off and the fullback thing. crap.
i still dont know about a two running back game... not many sets use two running backs. 3, 4, & 5 wide are more common.

the question would be, will the QB even survive tonight. its not inhim and its not mari. safe to assume its not me from what ive been saying. that leaves locke, kdub, and jimfinn.
if two of them are scum then they know who the QB is. if one of them is scum which is very likely since mari and inhim claim the same thing then its a 50-50 shot of them injuring the QB tonight, i think its best just to get it over with.

[rajrhcpfreak]

umm i usually do.
most teams dont have a backup QB on the field but the game mechanics and how important the QB is, it almost requires it to keep the game from being broken.
and if we dont mass claim then its hard to explain my thought process.
i would like to claim, i think it might help the town. if someone objects then say so now.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i like your plan kdub but right now i dont know how reliable the QB is,
was anti the night 1 result?
was night 2 a pass or a run? if the pass was to inhim why was he allowed to almost get lynched?
if its a pass to mari then she is confirmed.

getting a result tonight is so questionable. is the person that he targets a WR or RB then we might get a result. if its a guard then it was useless. if the def targets the same person then they intercept it. if they injure the QB then we still dont get the result.
that chance of getting a usable result is so low i think its best to find out everything now. i guess there is a chance for an incomplete pass to the defense and they try to claim RB or WR.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Surprise, surprise. The two I think are likely scum refuse to claim. Sadly, I'm probably wrong about at least one of them.

Unless raj is the QB, there are really only three other options (one I think is very unlikely based on their posts). Unless the scum are stupid, there's basically a 50/50 chance they'll hit the QB tonight. And it also means that inHim and LL are probably scum.

We have 4 days til deadline, fyi.

qtf

what if the QB threw to the other person that we dont have confirmed right now, and thats how the interception happened? that means the scum know who the QB is, and im assuming because of their bread crumbing i think they know anyhow.

i

was

struggling with the idea of mass claiming, lynching, or no lynching but with the

two

RB claims makes mass claiming the smartest move. had mari not claimed then it would have been still smart to possibly no lynch.

[rajrhcpfreak]

im ready, i would like for the confirmed town, the QB, to set the tone.

[rajrhcpfreak]

right now the only thing that will cause me to not lynch inhim would be a mass claim.
once there is a mass claim i might see another person being scum but right now everything points towards inhim.

jimfinn is scaring me since hes completely ignoring mine and mari's logic of putting the QB's head on a coin flip.
and thats just on the numbers we have. if you think about the scum they know who is innocent and guilty the whole game.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oh i didnt finish my point.

ive played mafia with inhim for 8 years and im not allowing him to get to tonight to cause more havoc.
convince everyone else to vote no lynch, because you wont get me.

[rajrhcpfreak]

havoc = killing the QB (i think he knows who it is since i think i know who it is) and/or intercepting the football.

[rajrhcpfreak]

if i was scum, and inhim was innocent. then i would have targeted him.

but im innocent and inhim is scum.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i am not the QB

[rajrhcpfreak]

crap i forgot that you could have thrown to Coach...
and since the ball was intercepted there is a very good chance that inhim could have been the linebacker or the cornerback
i am reading that correctly, right? if a the QB throws to one of those players they automatically intercept it.
but yeah we all know you were the QB jimfinn. and inhim already claimed RB.

[rajrhcpfreak]

mod: do we know how many yards was scored on that touchdown play lastnight?

well i was indirectly right about the position we were in. i just didnt think that the QB was going to target the dead man walking on night two. but since we have to have a RB, and the only person that counterclaimed Mari was the dead inhimscum, she in confirmed.

i think first thing we need to finish the mass claim. mari, since your confirmed you want to set up the order?

lastly i think LL is the play today but there is no need to rush anything.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oops i just skimmed the last couple of lines of yesterday i thought kdub quick lynched inhim with out us finishing the mass claim. so sorry about not claiming, i actually had some of this already written.

i was really pissed when the results came in last night because since night two i thought i was confirmed.
I am a WR. since day two ive been playing like i was already confirmed by the TD pass. i was actually thinking anti was the QB.
but once I saw anti died i knew it had to be jimfinn with his "If I was the QB" statements. I am convinced that was the best move because Im sure the defense knew.

thats also why i was hesitant about two running backs. i knew there had to at least be one vanilla o-line. (if you believe me that there are 3 WR).
thats also why i wanted to know if we know if the TD was a 100 yard play or a 50 yard play. most nights we got that information and if it was a 100 yard play then it confirms me.

like i said earlier i know mari is confirmed good. so it leave kdub and locke.
if locke was scum he got lucky picking one of the O-Line and it not being the same one that Kdub had. (i know its a 50-50 chance and we could kill ourselves thinking about the possibilities of that happening)

now the play early yesterday.

#429 the QB votes inhim (if the defense was thinking along the same lines as me then they killed anti the previous night and when he came up clean it was obvious that jimfinn had to be it)
#430 i vote inhim next post.
(right there the scum should know that inhim is going to get lynched with the QB, and inhim's bestfriend is after his head)
#431 kdub adds his vote with no excuse.
#432 mari questions me and makes sure no one quick lynches
#433 i add some explanation to my vote.

#434 Locke talks about game mech and is playing the inhim waiting game

#435-438 mech discussion, locke is confused how the defense intercepted.

#439 mari questions lockes feelings pre inhim claim
#440 i call for mass claim
#441 mari says i wouldnt bus scum inhim
#442 QB says no to mass claim
#443-446 mari says i say scummy things (she laters agrees that mass claim is best) QB asks me about who i suspect i say inhim, mari, & locke
#447-449 anti-mass claimage
#450 scuminhim proposes a last ditch effort to refuse a claim and propose a nolynch
he also says this:
"TO THE ONE OF YOU ON ME WHO IS TOWN:

WHAT
THE
HELL"
is he pissed off that his scum buddy is busing him so early? he then goes out of his way to thank locke and mari.
#451-459 inhim-mari-raj sandwich of options for the day/night
#460 kdub unvotes posthaste but doesnt really support the no lynch which a inhim partner should have done. and makes a good case that inhim should not live if he has the possibility of being the CB
#461 mari says it CANT be inhim

#462 QB says it could be inhim/locke because they are asking why inhim isnt quick lynched

#463 mari says its possible but not likely
#464 i defend kdub and QB from mari attacking them because inhim is town...

#465 locke supports no lynch

#466 mari wants locke to put substance out about inhim and his actions

, she wants more evidence from me, and any evidence from the QB and kdub
#467 kdub gives more reasons to lynch inhim and still doesnt support no lynch.
#468 mari trys to make a case against the QB

#469 locke says that refusing to claim isnt necessarily scummy.

#470-474 talking about the mechanics again and weather inhim can be clear by the QB.
#475 jimfinn confirms my belief that he is the QB with his "if i was i can clear him"

do i need to continue with this PBP? its pretty clear that yesterdays actions point directly at locke. kdub would have been busing inhim really bad. mari looks realllllllly bad but she is the only RB.

lastly: if i was scum with inhim then why would i be calling for a massclaim we could have easily assumed who the QB was and killed him at night where all his night choices would have been lost. also had jimfinn not claimed that he threw to inhim that last night then im pretty sure some of you wouldnt have been so convinced that he was scum. another thing of me forcing inhim to claim and refusing to take my vote off him.

edit before post, i colored the locke parts that make me convinced that hes scum. and there is a whole string of instances like that.

[rajrhcpfreak]

crap your right locke, inhim couldnt catch so there was another reason it was intercepted.
i assumed that the yardage did reset and we needed 100 yards to get a touchdown.

ill go look at the shotty lynch right now

[rajrhcpfreak]

VOTE COUNT

Coach Travi

s - 3 (

mongoose

,

horrordude0215

, Locke Lamora)
rajrhcpfreak - 1 (

drmyshottyizsik

)

jimfinn

- 1 (

Mariyta

)

mongoose

- 4 (

Antihero

,

inHimshallibe

,

Coach Travis

,

GhostWriter

)

inHimshallibe

- 1 (Kdub)

drmyshottyizsik

- 2 (rajrhcpfreak,

jimfinn

)

NOT VOTING

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch! Deadline is October 3rd, Noon.

interesting vote count right here. three of us that are in question are not on the mongoose lynch, shotty is also not on the mongoose lynch. so that means had the two remaining scum fliped right there shotty wouldnt have died night one.
soon after inhim unvotes and GW unvotes. inhim revotes mongoose, and locke and GW vote kdub. and shotty votes kdub. still wondering why the other two scum isnt helping inhim.

VOTE COUNT

mongoose

- 5 (

Coach Travis

,

GhostWriter

,

inHimshallibe

,

Antihero

,

Mariyta

)

inHimshallibe

- 1 (Kdub)

drmyshottyizsik

- 2 (rajrhcpfreak,

jimfinn

)

GhostWriter

- 1 (

horrordude0215

)
Kdub - 2 (Locke Lamora,

drmyshottyizsik

)

horrordude0215

- 1 (

mongoose

)

NOT VOTING

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch! Deadline is October 3rd, Noon.

more of the same. except kdub and i are still voting for known scum while locke is voting with a known scum.
next vote is locke onto shotty. but shotty really shot his foot in between vote counts. and getting early on a lynch is a nice scum busing strategy. had he not tried to make up a claim your or inhim could have removed your votes.
then mongoose, mari, and inhim change their votes to shotty.
then shotty fake claims. and gets lynched quickly.

honestly i see inhim busing really bad there too, and when you put your vote on him he wasnt in danger that much. and because of inhim and shottys claim you never had a chance to take it off.
the only thing going for you is why didnt you ever join the mongoose lynch but the same could be said of kdub and me.

[rajrhcpfreak]

im convinced its locke. i was on ragz early in the game, and as i pointed out in previous posts today and yesterday all possibilities point at him.

vote: locke

[rajrhcpfreak]

crap, good job kdub nice bussing of your two partners.

[rajrhcpfreak]

had i thought about the possibility of you throwing to the TE i probably wouldnt have tried forcing you to come out. but i have to say that we had some really bad town that make scum hunting hard.
we had all the oppurtunity to win this game on the last day but there was so many things locke/ragz did that was scummy and kdub never supported inhim or shotty.

but i guess in locke's defense mari was even scummier but she lucked out with the confirmable role. had she not been confirmed it would have been a much longer day.

[rajrhcpfreak]

I was actually thinking raj was the QB after Anti flipped and didn't suspect jim until raj started dropping hints that he wasn't the QB.

yeah when two WRs were dead i needed to make sure everyone believed me when i claimed WR.
me claiming 3rd WR after how scummy i was acting would have gotten me lynched, so i had to lie groundwork to make sure everyone thought that more WRs were possible.
i just assumed i was the TD night 1 since it seamed like everyone was letting me ramble on.