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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:17 pm

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Katsuki wrote:Well :-P

Why me anyways?
Lol, you were in a game with someone I know (Newbie 995), and you seemed to be playing similarly. I couldn't hide behind Zwet because I figured he might be vig killed, and I didn't want to hide behind Dekes, because I figured he was way too obv-town to live. I didn't have a good read on SpyreX, and I had a slight scummy vibe from LMP and VV. I didn't know what would happen if I hid behind Tans, and McGriddle was seeming pretty scummy, so...yeah, lol. I took a chance on you. I had a gut feeling after I sent in the pm that I should see if KDub would let me change it, but I convinced myself it would be okay. Never, ever, ever going against a gut feeling EVER again. Good job, though...seriously.

The hider sort of works like a cop, really. There's just the chance she will be killed in the process. I actually really liked this role.
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:20 pm

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Katsuki wrote:
tanstalas wrote:Wanted to take a bite out of your muffin :P
Dracula loves his muffins <3

and I have no idea what you were thinking there...


@Spy: What if you added in scum daychat?

I was honestly just going by your Avy - then I realized after I hit submit that I found out you were female in another game.. and was like whoa.. that could be misunderstood :eek: :shifty:
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:20 pm

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@VV: I TOLD YOU UK WAS TALKING ABOUT HERSELF BEING MORE USEFUL THAN ZWET AND NOT SOFTCLAIMING That one worked out for us though.
People don't exactly mean what they said. True, the sentence did say that she was saying she was more useful than zwet but I think she was subconciously claiming PR with that, and it worked out swell for us.

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zwet won for us. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure people would have caught on to me and Kat. (LMP is in an entirely different league though. I was impressed with his play until zwet came along and it was all easy cruising.). I thought I was obvscum when I promised a reread and didn't follow up. xD.

I don't understand what the miller was for with no cop.

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@jenni: Spy used a hider claim with good results in an old game~. D1, claim hider. Claim targets at end of day. If you die, target is scum. If you survive, target is Town. (Although, Spy really wasn't a hider then, but a weak doc.)
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:24 pm

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Yep. You're basically town-searching as hider instead of scum-searching that cop does.

Also, yeah, never go against your gut. I did that, and lost due to zwet gambit (mini 1018).

Haha, if only you had a scummy read on me as well as LMP and VV :P Would've been very interesting had you hid with tans...

P-Edit: I agree with VV, I would've loved to see how this game would've been minus zwet.
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:25 pm

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Oh, and out of curiosity, who is it that you know from 995 jenn?
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:26 pm

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@VV: If the hider claims targets, wouldn't the scum kill them both?

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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:29 pm

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What jenn said. I do believe in hiders claiming who they hid behind during the night the following day though.

Ah. I do not really remember him (or her). Granted, I tunneled my way through that game and didnt read anything that wasn't posted by McG or muthaa.
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:31 pm

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Say you'll target one of four scummy people. Saves your obvTown smart players from being killed, forces scum to kill a mislynch, and you'll have to play a little guessing game if you want to kill the hider/scummy person.
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:32 pm

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jenniwren wrote:@VV: If the hider claims targets, wouldn't the scum kill them both?

@Kats: Vren
The only way I can see it working is if you claim who you hide behind and you die but the person you hid behind doesn't die we know they are scum, but yeah if you announce who you hide behind and scum target the person you would die as well. Though I wonder if say you hid behind me, and scum targeted me and a doc protected me, would you still die?

Guess that would be a question for kdub

I'm just sad that the vig didn't try to kill me - coulda got a NK and protection in one :cry:
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:33 pm

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Hider would not die if you do not die. You would get kill, bodyguard and hider abilities :P
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:35 pm

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Good idea...I wish I had done that!

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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:36 pm

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That was definately the funniest game I have played in though; scum killing off both of their fake claims in consecutive nights. I was laughing so hard D3 XD
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:37 pm

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Also, my friend pointed out to me that Alucard was just reversed 'draculA'.

I was like. "OMG. OH MY GOD. OH MY FREAKIN' GOD. OH SWEET BABY JESUS WTF. I've been playing this SOTN bi-annually ever since I first got it 8 years ago and I did not fucking notice that."
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:37 pm

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Yeah, lol...what are the chances of that ever happening again?
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:38 pm

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I think next game I am in that I am scum I am claiming this role again, just because it seems noone wants to take the chance targeting me lol

P-edit: Really? You just realized that about Alucard now? lol
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:51 pm

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Tans, you do realize how rare your role is? Secondly, you had the entire town thinking you were SK. :P

Now if your play were different it may work.
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:54 pm

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Ugh - my play was like that because I had such an awesome role - I think I was in shock, then I got Zwet (who I think was an honorary scum this game) who put me against the wall early and then the scum train started on me as well and it was all I could do to answer questions. Then I make cases on other people and that is scummy as well. I had no chance.

I should have gone with my initial read on you and LMP and just stuck with that
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:03 pm

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You drew too much attention onto yourself. Plus your case on me really was quite weak... Not to mentioned I played TERRIBLY first half of D1... If I would've gotten lynched, it would've been over my early-D1 play.
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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:33 pm

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Wow, although we had McG and zwet cleared and Katsuki confirmed as scum in the Dead QT I still managed to get 2/2 wrong. That is...very disappointing.
In my defense I did have VV down as scum after his first D3 post which looked a lot like scum presenting all important infos you needed to know on D3 in a short manner to look like a good townie. But he got better/others got worse as the day progressed.

But never, ever would've thought LMP was scum. Well done.

SpyreX did take strong stances, unfortunately they were mostly wrong stances. Why were you so bent on lynching the claimed tracker. It would be the best option to wait another night to verify both CT's and zwet's claims. That eventually led to the belief zwet was scum (I probably would've gone after him, too, but I wouldn't have ruled out the possibility of him being town). The CT wagon in general was crap. Has nobody seen a VI claim cop before? God, I'm sure we've all played with Drmyshottizsik before or at least read games involving him.
tanstalas wrote:I just read the dead topic - man, Dekes was still tunneling on me even after death :P
Yeah, so I did, lol. Feels like a personal vendetta after you won that Newbie 988 fiasco :P

But come on, why didn't you fully claim your role. Now that I see it was a one-shot-per-ability role it makes it much, much more believable.
However, with all your vagueness and your accusations against every player that attacked you you just screamed "Welp, my role is so powerful, I'm too important for town. I need to survive!" which led to why everybody was thinking you were SK.

And you can't really give yourself credit for citing a post where you said LMP and Katsuki were scum. At that point you were just voting and FoSing everyone who was accusing you. And instead of voting one of them you voted the next person attacking you who happened to be a townie :roll:

Definitely an awesome job by the mods. Enjoyed this game, absolutely loved the flavor, they were always around for frequent vote counts and activity checks and the setup was great, too. In hindsight a cop instead of a hider may have been the better choice. Jenni did a great job between not getting lynched and not being considered a NK. But instead of having a guilty and an innocent on D3 we had a dead hider. This could've delayed the town loss for another day or two. But that's not what cost the town the win. In the end the town was simply too weak with zwet, MPR and McG. We concentrated too much on the lurkers on D1 and zwet's gambit (if you can even call it that) on D2 sealed the scum win. Also, scum weren't that bad either in taking advantage of town's weakness.
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:39 pm

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EBWOP: I'd love to see that Mafia QT, too. Curious as to how badly you were laughing your asses off about zwet's claim :P
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:46 pm

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Sad thing is I also just won a game as scum where a townie claimed he was a cop and got a guilty read on a townie.. I was like "holy shit - this can't be happening"
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:11 am

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If you have just calmed the hell down like I said and got all the role claims I have NO doubt in my mind that we would have won this game. GG scum, I knew Katsuki was scum but I tens to focus on one scum at a time.
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:00 am

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I'm fine with posting the QT. (However, let's wait till my scumbuddies agree.)
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:17 am

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Yeah, not my best game. I wasn't analyzing it closely when I died, and I kinda let confirmation bias take over while I lived.

@VV: No, I'm pretty sure I was just saying that zwet is a terrible, terrible player who should be policy vigged at every opportunity, not softclaiming, even subconsciously.

I guess I'll be more clear next time. You know, he says I'm his lynchee and I'll be all like.

"Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure that zwet is a terrible terrible player who should be policy vigged, HINT HINT TO ANY VIGS, and I am of far more worth to the town than he could ever hope to be. This is true even if I were scum."

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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:26 am

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Well, it can't be subconcious if you knew about it. ;)

I thought that how you worded your first post of defense on zwet seemed careful-ish even for you(I imagined that if you were a VT, you'd have an angrier first post.), so I thought it was a PR read. I surprised myself at how accurate that was. The player's personality factors how they'd treat role, I guess.
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