Mafia 119: MURDER AT HOTEL DEATH(GAME OVER)

[Pomegranate]

What?

Zwets and I killed Espy last night. Clear enough?

[DemonHybrid]

Yep.

[LimMePls]

Hey gang.

I'm thinking the following are scum: CoolDog, Looker, Prana

Lets lynch one of them. My favorite is CoolDog.

When I have some time I'll do an ISO and show the posts I dislike in particular, but there are quite a good number of them.

Vote: CoolDog

[horrordude0215]

Yeah Cooldog needs to die... Him posting his fail "cases" on me was nothing but misreps and scumminess.

Vote: CooLDoG

[Pomegranate]

I could go for that too, but I think that there's no need for a quicklynch right now. We have time for this.

[horrordude0215]

We're at 3 votes... that's L-5. Are we really in danger of a quicklynch?

[Pomegranate]

We're at 3 votes... that's L-5. Are we really in danger of a quicklynch?

At the moment: No.
If the wagon continued at it current pace: Yes.

[DemonHybrid]

We're at 3 votes... that's L-5. Are we really in danger of a quicklynch?

At the moment: No.
If the wagon continued at it current pace: Yes.

Well, hey, that's a good thing, seeing as how Cooldog is probably scum.

Why are you "ehhhhhhhhhhhhh.........mayyyyyyybeeeee laterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ughhhhhhhhhh....cuz.....quicklynch and.....yeh." about this?

[a2rudeboy]

Hello.

(very quickly steps out of character) Apologies for the lurking/total disappearance. Without going into too much detail, something drastic occured IRL, could not post. But I used the extra long night phase to catch up.

(steps back)

Ahem.

I think Prana was coming off incredibly reasonable at the end of d1/ I do not like at all how quickly the train built up on NC, and while once the attention turned on him he definitely started acting scummy and flailing all over the god damn place, I still think the initial reasoning behind the beginning was flimsy at best. I am more concerned with Jack's overwhelmingly anti-town play at this point. There were the comments in the early stages of the game, his frantic desire to switch everyone from Espy -who we had seen him as acting buddylike with- now a confirmed scum, to NC which is now confirmed town. At one point he even outright stated that the game wasn't really providing any interest for him anymore.

@Jack- Why the incessant tunneling on NC, even before he started flailing? After the flips, how do you justify more or less single-handedly leading the town from a scumlynch to a mislynch? If you aren't scum, please tell me what actions you have taken that were pro-town?

vote: Jack

CoolDog I think at this point deserves a

HoS Cooldog

for things such as: posting at night, his constant "i'm going to be going, but.." posts, AtE overload. The biggest tell for me however, was the posting of the case after the hammer, especially considering how his case was just exact repetition of a previous case from someone else. I am unable to tell at this point if it's for sure a scumtell, or just stupid play.

@Cool- Why the need to constantly tell us you are leaving quickly when you post? Is it a reason to cover up for lack of content? Wouldn't it be more pro-town to wait until you had time to build a case and post? Explain why you justified the lynch after the hammer, without original reasoning? Explain how any of these actions were protown.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: a2rudeboy

This may go into complete mafia game theory territory, but I have never once

once

once

seen someone Vote/HoS two people in the same post and not be scum.

If Cooldog is scum, lynch a2. If a2 is scum, lynch Cooldog.

[a2rudeboy]

So, having equally incredibly strong suspicions on two players after 24pgs is considered scummy now?

[Jack]

unvote, vote:cooldog

a2rudeboy is probably scum as well.

espyToNero wagon shift could be a goldmine, don't feel like looking over it right now.

[DemonHybrid]

So, having equally incredibly strong suspicions on two players after 24pgs is considered scummy now?

Reading comprehension.

Maybe it's just a mafia thing, to not find reading comprehension important.

I'm suspecting you because you Voted someone and HoS'd another in the same post. Classic scum trick. Suspected person is usually the buddy.

And I have a really dreadful feeling that the next 7 pages will be talk of game theory.

[a2rudeboy]

I'm just verifying that you quickly switched your vote from one based on a large amount of theory (cooldog) to one based entirely on theory (myself).

[DemonHybrid]

Uhhhhh

From theory to theory?

Yeah...makes sense...

[zwetschenwasser]

Surprisingly, the fact that Espy flipped scum, and the fact that Pom readily agreed to the target in the QT last night increases my scum read on her by about 5 percent.

[DemonHybrid]

Pom's been pushing his lynch all day.

Don't get ahead of yourself, zwet.

[a2rudeboy]

ebwop : large amount of evidence (cooldog) to one based entirely on theory (myself)

[DemonHybrid]

Your post is evidence enough.

You have no clue how many times I've seen that happen and have the person flip scum.

[SnakePlissken]

Demon are you role fishing?

[SnakePlissken]

EBWOP - Demon that was due to your CPR comment on Pom on the previous page.

[DemonHybrid]

No.

I didn't like Pom gloating. We already know Pom/zwet's roles.

[PranaDevil]

Do not touch CKD. He is fine. Scum is probably trying to frame him.

Or you're scum with him and are trying to throw us off the scent.

Also, all the neighbors are town? Possible sure, but to say it's probable?

I'm not happy with CKD personally, purely because he came out day 1 and revealed his role because he didn't trust his partner, and it's his partner who gets nobbled? Could easily have been a big ball of WIFOM from CKD to throw us off the scent. But as there's going to be more than one scum out there I'll look elsewhere for now.

Can I also say "I damned well told you so" in regards to Espy? Yeah, what was with the whole "he's not scum, we're lynching the completely stupid option of Nero" on day 1? Nero only became stupid (not scummy, just stupid) after pressure turned on him, and it's hard not to go a bit nuts when you have undue pressure on you from absolutely nothing. It was a terrible option for a lynch and how the hell it went through I have no idea when the scummiest player by about ten miles was Espy.

But then, following him very closely in the scummy stakes would be... Jack. The same guy who was making sure the Espy wagon was derailed in favour of a Nero one.

vote: Jack

I'd do an ISO on him, however it would be a massive waste of time as I can't remember him making a single useful post so far.

[SnakePlissken]

Good. We were right on Espy. That was a nice shot.

Demon, how is this gloating?? I'm kind of confused, if anything that sounds like your bitter because the mafia dude got shot?

[vollkan]

Continuing with scumpoints from yesterday:

Vote: Cooldog

. That said, I also want to do relational analysis of Espy, so this vote is somewhat contingent.

We're at 3 votes... that's L-5. Are we really in danger of a quicklynch?

At the moment: No.
If the wagon continued at it current pace: Yes.

I think you'll find that wagons tend to slow down as they reach the vicinity L-1 .

Unvote, Vote: a2rudeboy

This may go into complete mafia game theory territory, but I have never once

once

once

seen someone Vote/HoS two people in the same post and not be scum.

If Cooldog is scum, lynch a2. If a2 is scum, lynch Cooldog.

a2+5

I don't completley agree with you, though, DH.

There is certainly a tendency for scum to do the Vote/HoS combo. However, it's a weaker scumtell (+1/+2) in isolation. For me, the most important thing is his reasoning for putting a HoS on CoolDog:

for things such as: posting at night, his constant "i'm going to be going, but.." posts, AtE overload.

The biggest tell for me

however, was the posting of the case after the hammer, especially considering how his case was just exact repetition of a previous case from someone else.

I am unable to tell at this point if it's for sure a scumtell, or just stupid play.

None of those points are at all paticularly reflective of any actual analysis, and all but the vague "AtE overload" charge are only dubiously scummy at best. I can't see how they could justify a HoS. But then we get the "biggest tell" of repeating a case. Putting aside whether that really is a huge scumtell, a2 immediately proceeds to undercut this with his last sentence (bolded). In other words, he both thinks it is the "biggest scumtell" (among a handful of rather piddly 'scumtells', the aggregate of which apparently justifies a HoS), but is also uncertain about whether or not it is a scumtell.

So, having equally incredibly strong suspicions on two players after 24pgs is considered scummy now?

Quote for me please where somebody attacked you for 'having equally strong suspicions'?