/Invitational 11: Pick your Poison 5 (Game Over)

[Ellibereth]

Am I the only one that finds Vas's requesting replacement really wierd. >.>

[Fate]

ELLIE WHY THE HELL ARENT YOU VOTING OOBA

[Fate]

That was a serious question and I expect your response HERE

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[Ellibereth]

I really don't know.
Trying to recalibrate how retarded my scumdar's been...
Try me again tomorrow.

[SpyreX]

COMPROMISE TIME SPYREX.

He had 36 posts to go to be fully caught up, but he just peaced out. Not to mention how lacking in freshness his catchup post was thus far.

Unvote:
Vote: ooba

Also I get 2 vigs from it being really unlikely that they didn't RB Elmo OR KMD last night, as there was no way they'd let a known vig get a freebie shot off on mislynch fodder. Plus 2 vigs 2 trackers seems about right when lining up shitty PRs that dont jive well for the town to have (as you can see with half our PRs being outted by D2)

I ACCEPT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OUTLINED.

Unvote, Vote: ooba

If 2 vigs whats up with the kills then?

[ooba]

He had 36 posts to go to be fully caught up, but he just peaced out. Not to mention how lacking in freshness his catchup post was thus far.

I am caught up - I didn't see anything worth commenting on after that post ..

The thing with ooba is his LOLDGB VOTE, and then parkin it there before he finishes his read.

Wasn't sure if I could finish 51-56 yesterday .. Better to post that I've spotted iam-DGB and check for reactions rather than holding that back for a couple of days and posting again ..

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Please explain how scum me would benefit in any way from fighting townmith's corner against a confirmed townie.

Keeps the argument going - mith remains in his defensive stance and keeps appearing more scummy - gives you townie points if townmith is lynched ..

Do you have any intention of elaborating on how you think a DGB/mith pairing is remotely plausible?

Believed that yesterday based on my end of day skim .. But do not think that is the case now .. Why mention this now?

[Fate]

NOTHING WORTH COMMENTING ON?

K ooba I'll play ball. LAST TIME you mentioned my slot (eKim) with regards to a read was your d1: "luuuuuuuulz d0 scumhuntinnn" and calling this slot SCUM.

Those posts weren't commenting on? Besides being fresh new stuff from a player your are "GLAD TO SEE" its a slot you APPARENTLY haven't given much thought, AND one that calls you scum with the need to dangle.

Defense? Rebuttal? Read?
NADA.

I don't know WHY this wagon is so god damn hard to push, but this is the A-grade shit Ellie should be voting for and this Ulyssean effort to get ooba lynched will NOT BE FORGOTTEN if he flips roleblocker.

THANKYOU SPYREX IT IS APPRECIATED.

AS FOR NKS I'D SAY VIG NUMERO DOS DIDNT SHOOT TO KILL N1 OUT OF RESPECT FOR HOOPLAS REQUEST, AND PER MITHS PR DIRECTION, THEY SHOT HEROD LAST NIGHT (bc they werent supposed to shoot Elmo unless they shot tajo N1, which was apparently the scum NK, so they shot non-Elmo)

[Fate]

God damn pills... 2nd paragraph should read: "Those posts that weren't worth commenting on"

[Kmd4390]

This has been the comment that makes the most sense to me regarding mith vs. kmd, and I'd like to here a response from mith in the context of "either town or scum could not have a clue about whats going on in the thread, but only scum would fake it" - mith's logic for voting zoraster.

You

DO

listen to me.

Am I the only one that finds Vas's requesting replacement really wierd. >.>

No.

[Kmd4390]

FATE LEMME TRY THIS UR WAY

MITH IS SO SCUM AND NEEDS VOTES. HELP ME LYNCH HIM PLZZZZ.

[mith]

"Let's please stop helping scum find the two remaining power roles, shall we?" - This.

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Note to self: 1328.

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Rhinox/Kmd: The V/LA thing is a poor analogy, for two reasons:

1. I wasn't voting zoraster because of ignorance. I was voting zoraster for a variety of reasons, and was discussing ignorance to talk through the logic (in that my initial thought was "scum would know what's going on, is he town?", and I was considering alternatives to that, eventually coming to the conclusion that it was in fact a minor point against). I clearly wasn't suggesting he should be lynched solely on the basis of a display of ignorance, any more than I would suggest a LA-V/LA plan.

2. V/LA is something that happens all the time, and additional many players (including myself) have ethical issues with lying about it (because it's out of game). Ignorance is something that seemed unlikely either way, and relative to that, the possibility of scum in a desperate situation playing dumb either because he's given up or for WIFOM reasons seemed more likely in comparison, at least to the point that it wasn't negligible.

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Fate's posting style is painful (but that slot remains likely town). Kmd continues to be wrong. Want to read through ooba's catchup again (while looking at all the posts he's referencing), when I'm less braindead. Happy with my vote.

[Kmd4390]

1. I wasn't voting zoraster because of ignorance. I was voting zoraster for a variety of reasons, and was discussing ignorance to talk through the logic (in that my initial thought was "scum would know what's going on, is he town?", and I was considering alternatives to that, eventually coming to the conclusion that it was in fact a minor point against). I clearly wasn't suggesting he should be lynched solely on the basis of a display of ignorance, any more than I would suggest a LA-V/LA plan.

A lot of the post where you voted him included this "minor point". The rest seemed to be thrown in as an after-thought.

2. V/LA is something that happens all the time, and additional many players (including myself) have ethical issues with lying about it (because it's out of game). Ignorance is something that seemed unlikely either way, and relative to that, the possibility of scum in a desperate situation playing dumb either because he's given up or for WIFOM reasons seemed more likely in comparison, at least to the point that it wasn't negligible.

Not catching a claim happens all the time too.

Scum could lurk if they've given up. I agree about ethical issues, but not everyone does. Maybe they say they are V/LA because they are giving up.

I still think it's a fair comparison.

[Patrick]

HackerHuck replaces VasudeVa. Thanks!

[Patrick]

Votecount

mith (3) -- Kmd4390, Seraphim, My Milked Eek
SpyreX (2) -- HackerHuck, Rhinox
DrippingGoofball (4) -- mith, Plumegranate, iamausername, ooba
ooba (2) -- Fate, SpyreX

Not voting: DrippingGoofball, AdumbroDeus, Ellibereth
14 alive, 8 to lynch.

Deadline: 28th of September, 9:20 pm, GMT.

Looking for a My Milked Eek replacement.

[AdumbroDeus]

I'm almost positive that Mith and DGB are having a townie fight, I like KMD too, but not as much as the former two.

Slight town read SpyreX.


Unsure of the others so far.

Let's please stop helping scum find the two remaining power roles, shall we?

Dear god this, why were were discussing it in the first place.


*narrows eyes at all involved parties*

[mith]

AdumbroDeus: How complete would you say your marathon catch-up session was?

[Fate]

I see where you're going mith >_>b

[HackerHuck]

UNVOTE: Spyrex

Hi folks. Given the size of this game, I won't do a full readthrough right off. It will definitely be a while (if at all) before I go through the first 18 pages of role discussion/voting.

[Fate]

FATE LEMME TRY THIS UR WAY

MITH IS SO SCUM AND NEEDS VOTES. HELP ME LYNCH HIM PLZZZZ.

Look, this game is suffering from what I'd like to call "Gears of War syndrome" (PAY ATTENTION DGB, COPYRIGHT ON THAT WIKI PAGE BTW)

In which town argues amongst themselves looking for chinks and inconsistencies where they

shouldn't

be, finding them (no one's play is perfect and I agree miths L-1 vote for Zora was damn scummy as it forced his claim and eventual lynch) and then tunneling righteously.

ALL THE WHILE, scum lurk, don't provide content that CAN be scumhunted,

AND ARE GIVEN A FREAKIN PASS FOR IT.

SOLUTION:
-Trim the fat
-If scum still aren't dead THEN start suspecting contributors
-ONE OF OOBA/ADUMBRO/SERA/PLUMPOM/HHVV DIES TODAY. NO EXCEPTIONS. MY VOTES NOT GOING ANYWHERE ELSE

[Plum]

V/LA through Saturday Night - me and Pom

Am not seeing ooba over DGB. At all. More to come.

[DrippingGoofball]

God this game has exploded with awesome. This is swinging!

Hey Fate/KMD/various-members-of-rage-krew

We lynch Plumpom or Spyrex. REFERENCE: wagon analysis. How about that.

VOTE: Plumpom

DREAMS CAN COME TRUE

[Patrick]

Many thanks to PokerFace, who replaces My Milked Eek.

[Rhinox]

-ONE OF OOBA/ADUMBRO/SERA/PLUMPOM/HHVV DIES TODAY. NO EXCEPTIONS. MY VOTES NOT GOING ANYWHERE ELSE

Fate, I was down with a ooba lynch until hero ruined that idea for me.

One related thing I think suggests ooba-town is the postscript in ooba ISO 2. Gut says that the scum wouldn't want the town to be aware that the scum would be allowed to select which of them received the PR's, especially given his reason for bringing it up.

Thats a good point. On the other hand, I've been struggling with the opposite - scum would be more interested in knowing how they would be given their roles if it were looking like they would have to come up with some fakeclaim strategies for a mass claim. But you've got a point that it doesn't make sense for scum to make that information public.

What do you think about that?

Adumbro, meh. I thought troll was town for his D0 contibutions, but then he basically flaked as soon as the game started. The flaking is null. And if Adumbro is an alt of who I think he is, then he's definitely town.

Sera- thinking town.

plumpom- ok, this could be scum, but I haven't looking into them much.

HHVV- won't get my vote.


I'm really struggling to identify scum in this game. Right now, I've got Spy and Ellibereth as my top 2. In my grou of "unsures" from the start of the day, I want to move {MME, iam, ooba, seraph, Fate, mith} into leaning town based on all discussion today, leaving just plumpom as potential scum. I'm still 1 scum short. That means I'm either wrong about one of my reads from today, or I'm wrong about one of my longer term town reads {HHVV, DGB, Adumbro}. I'm going to have to think on it a bit. It unnerves me a little to have so many town reads in this game...

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm really struggling to identify scum in this game. Right now, I've got Spy and Ellibereth as my top 2. [...] leaving just plumpom as potential scum.

My top two are Spyrex and Plumpom, are we ready to negotiate their surrender?

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote PlumPom

Sure. I'd still prefer mith though.