Last Will Mafia II (Over)

[Nachomamma8]

EBWOP: Rhinox*

[Charlie]

OH Come on!!!

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: animorpherv1

11 minutes for a double voter to follow it up, or two people to vote at once? Yeah, right.

[Charlie]

So sad, so very very sad.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

SSBF, to the best of my recollection Xite was one of the first major advocates of your lynch. Would you mind elaborating what you think of her?

She's a town read logic-wise, but with a gut scum vibe from me (Yes I said I wouldn't reveal town reads with gut scum vibes, but I'll make an exception here). In this case, I will believe what I think of her logic-wise instead of my gut.

Now for why I think Xite91 is town, she is an aggressive player who has been one of the strongest scum hunters in the game and if town, will be one of town's best asset. Even thought she is misguided about me being scum, she voice her suspicion on every one of her suspects and makes them known, that is what I would expect a townie to do.

Personally, no. We can only speculate on why he requested replacement (my guess is he doesn't find this game interesting/tired of it). He might just not care and didn't want to interfere with the game.

Those are possible reasons, but another theory is that animorpherv1 flaked under pressure given that he has been under a lot and does not want to deal with them anymore, which is indicative of scum.

[Xite91]

My vote isn't changing unless it needs to in order to secure a lynch at deadline. What brought ani to my attention was the ordeal regarding ani thinking batt claimed

scum

, and while I've never really felt good about him based on anything, I haven't really paid much attention to him either. I feel like my opinion of ani could change with a better player in the slot, but my opinion of SSBF is not likely to change at all.

Uhm... he didn't claim scum, though.

[Charlie]

What SSBF said there reminded me that my original reads on both himself and Xite91 are both town.

[Ythan]

Mod-waiting?

[Kmd4390]

Rhinox, obviously I'm not 100% right all the time. If I am wrong about at least one of you/ythan/smash bras (I probably am), I want to make sure that the wills are all in good shape so we don't end up with another situation where a ythan-type player has several votes.

And yeah, when some of my suspects start piling on to one wagon over the other, its bound to make me want to eat some kind of shellfish and vomit all over the wagon.

[Ythan]

Is Kmd still whining about me having twice as many votes as him?

I guess if someone agreed you'd be the one with four votes.

[LlamaFluff]

End of Day Vote Count

Super Smash Bros. Fan (10) - Amished, Ythan, Xite91, Locke Lamora, Rhinox, Battosuai
animorpherv1 (9) - Super Smash Bros. Fan, Jahudo, Charlie, kmd4390, holycon, nachomamma8
Plum (1) - Chronopie
Battosuai (1) - animorpherv1
Charlie (1) - Plum

Not Voting (1) - esuriospiritus

[LlamaFluff]

You decide to lynch SSBF, another swing and a miss.

Super Smash Bros. Fan - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day Four

SSBF passes on his votes to Jahudo, who now has four votes.

Deadline for Night 4 is Tuesday September 21st, 8PM PST

[LlamaFluff]

fishythefish replaces animorpherv1

Deadline extended to Wednesday, 9PM PST

[LlamaFluff]

Wakey wakey (most of) guys and gals.

Xite91 - Vanilla Townie - Died Night Four

Xite has left her vote to Chronopie, who now has two votes.

With 23 votes in play it takes 12 to lynch.
Deadline is October 6th, 10PM PST

[Kmd4390]

vote batt x2

[Xite91]

NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!
Oh well, go town!

[Charlie]

Welcome fishythefish! I have no idea who you are but I know that you are mafia aligned; I don't think you can convince me otherwise but feel free to take a crack at convincing other people who are still alive. Thanks for replacing in and I hope you've enjoyed some good night-talk with your scumbuddies during your short stay here.

VOTE: fishythefish

[Chronopie]

Hai Fishy.

Your slot replaced out while under pressure, and didn't claim. Do so, or feel much wrath.

[Charlie]

I seriously cannot wait for the awesome claim fishythefish is going to come up with!

[Fishythefish]

I'll claim if half the players want me to. I know they did late yesterday, when this slot was one of two possible lynches; I don't know if they still do today.

Quick disclaimer: 82 pages is a lot of pages. I'm not going to be able to read them all thoroughly; I may not be able to read them all at all. If you don't quicklynch me, I'll probably reread day by starting yesterday. I'll also try to read anything that people think is important.

Incidentally, I'm not actually scum at all. Convincing the town of that is obviously my priority for now (along with finding someone who is worthy of my vote if I fail).

I'd be grateful if someone would tell me if any claims have been made by players still alive, and summarise the main points against my slot.

The "Fishy should claim now list": Charlie, Chronopie

[Fishythefish]

First read of day 4 done. Based on day 4, I don't think my claim should necessary at this stage; things aren't nearly as bad as I thought they would be from the wagons late yesterday. ani's wagon was significantly driven by "we have to lynch someone", and I don't see anything in his day 4 play that seems lynchworthy. Flaking and not caring about the game is not a scumtell, and AFAIC noone has ever given a reason why aniscum would make and stick to such a terrible vote on Batt. Incredibly bad vote -> scum simply isn't true.

@charlie: this morning, you seem very certain I'm scum. In your posts, it's unclear when you became that sure, or why. Could you explain, please?

Plum stands out as scummy on day 4. However, it seems something very relevant happened early in the game, so I'm going to read Plum-relevant bits of the whole game before I make up my mind there.

[Charlie]

No! I refuse to explain myself to mafia. You can still talk to the others here; but you can't convince me to switch my vote off you or give you explanations.

[Fishythefish]

If I am scum, explaining why can't possibly hurt. Even if you have no doubt at all (in which case you are totally deluded about the accuracy of your strongest scumreads).

[Jahudo]

Hi Fishy. I don't want you to claim now, and won't vote you now, but I am still suspicious of how animorph played. Just so you know, ani has already softclaimed so you can confirm or deny that part of your role if you wish. I'm also wondering if you can think of a reason for why he did that.

Flaking and not caring about the game is not a scumtell

I didn't get the feeling that ani "didn't care about the game". He kept making cases each day but either hid reasons or didn't explain why reason x was a scumtell. When he "flaked" out, he was still playing in other games around the forum. There was no excuse that he had to cut back for lack of time, so I have no reason to believe that's what happened.

noone has ever given a reason why aniscum would make and stick to such a terrible vote on Batt. Incredibly bad vote -> scum simply isn't true.

Any thoughts on why he ignored other people's thoughts on his vote? If he believed in that tell why wouldn't he defend it?

[Rhinox]

Top Picks for scum team (5 seems like a good number)

Nacho
Plum
Locke
Holy
fishy

Town reads

Ythan
Jahudo
esurio
kmd
Batt

Everyone Else unsure of

chrono
charlie
Amished

I would say realistically, 3/5 or better of my top scum picks are correct, I've probably got 1/5 or less of my town reads incorrect, and 1/3 or less of the everyone else is scum.

Nacho- played like a lyncher trying to get EGL lynched, but I can't recall him making any other notable posts in the game.
Plum- first instinct was raider was scum. I liked plum's entrance into the game, but after iso #7 or so, started falling off.
Locke- idk, call it POE or pure, unadulterated gut.
holy- if holy is scum, ani is town. If ani is scum, holy is town. Reasoning- this post
fishy- ani's play, nicely summarized by jahudo. Willing to give fishy time to establish a presence and reads without being under the weight of being forced to play constant defense.

I like...

VOTE: Nacho

...the best right now.