Open 253: Sea Container C9++ [GAME OVER]

[andrew94]

vote yellowbounder

for having wrong bold tags

[andrew94]

u all have no numbers at the end of your names? = 0 = below 100

[andrew94]

people like youself?

[andrew94]

and ur just sitting on the fence and posting stuff to seem like a townie

[andrew94]

its wifom, and meta fails anyway

[andrew94]

excuse me, first time playing c9+++
can someone explain what the first page of letters is about?

[andrew94]

care to explain?

[andrew94]

i alrady told u, first time c9

[andrew94]

i believe that use of meta fails..

[andrew94]

err nexus, you have contributed next to nothing except for 'im v/la'

[andrew94]

my thoughts : i think we should stop going on about the 'meta harry potter game' and instead focus on the REACTIONS of the people relating to that (e.g. over defensive, over aggressive etc.)

then even thought morthax saying massclaim is bad, maybe hes just new like me. we should now look at the reactions of people (especially those people pretending to be cheerful in explaining the pros on cons, those ppl are likely scum) after it.

yea...

[andrew94]

well i played newbie for long time.

can someone explain this :I would think a scum player would be less likely to see the pro-town side of things, yes.

[andrew94]

Unvote, Vote Andrew

Let's start a wagon and bring it to a lynch as fast as possible

No lynching is bad. Don't let it happen. Why Andrew? He's posted nothing but one-liners and looks like scum hiding in the background. And there's this gem:

err nexus, you have contributed next to nothing except for 'im v/la'

hypocracy much?

Anyone not voting Andrew in their next post has to explain either why no lynch is acceptable or why Andrew is town

i am town because i know who i am. i am not voting myself.
arude2boy has said nothing as well.
why not aim him huh?
nexus too why not huh?

[andrew94]

Oh my god quit squirming.
First, WIFOM is not asking "what if." It's circular reasoning and questions that can't be proven one way or the other. The kind that gets nobody nowhere and only chews up time.
Second, it's not your job to instruct the town who to lynch, regardless of how close the deadline is. It's up to the players to make their own decisions, and trying to get in the way of that is anti-town, if not flat-out scummy.
Third, derp I can't get suspicion off of me so I'll try to get suspicion onto an easy-target lurker.
Fourth, derp don't lynch me cuz I'm a power role.
Fifth, #139 is closer to WIFOM than how you defined it. "I can't be scum because if I was scum I wouldn't have claimed roleblocker." Well we only know that based on your words.
Sixth, just because nobody should out themselves doesn't mean that you're not hoping that someone would be reckless enough to.
And lastly, two double posts followed by a triple post seems to me like you're grasping at straws to get away from the spotlight.

We're at L-2 right? I want to make sure I have my count right before I vote.

o man, this is one of those posts that look town but is in fact scummy, i have no idea how to describe this

[andrew94]

err? why did u make up that quote.
i did not write that.
i wrote that a difrerent way.
pls change

[andrew94]

its just my gut where this guy stand up to be the leader and says 'this should happen' 'town should' 'this is what'
and stuff- is a scum tell to me

[andrew94]

saying less isnt a scum tel

[andrew94]

look at this...

Cut the WIFOM. Seriously. :Scum wouldn't do this so I can't be scum" is not a valid defense.

then how at this....

Why would he have drawn so much attention to himself if he was scum?

[andrew94]

replace those ppl la

[andrew94]

im chinese , thats a chinese phrase.

anyway, you mentions '7 letters' whats that

[andrew94]

7 letters but 12 ppl???

[andrew94]

can u link me to the wiki

[andrew94]

off topic@nexus, i meant the c9++ wikii link.
i kept typing c9+++, i now found it

mod got prod a2?

[andrew94]

btw, sa who did u roleblock night 0

[andrew94]

where does it say

[andrew94]

i cant see where, can u link me to where he said 'target no1'

[andrew94]

ur last post is all \about ald, wheres the reasoning of kat. ill iso him

[andrew94]

ok, kat repeatedly tells me to speak english properly, and keeps commenting on how 'easy' it is.

etc etc. when u say sa is not voting or talkiong like a pr, i dont see what u mean

[andrew94]

v/la 1 day

[andrew94]

I need to reread... no longer suspicious of kat/looker at this point...

why not?

[andrew94]

can u explain how to contribute?


ok, so all i can tell is sa is telling the truth

a2rudeboy i think he said 'he had to go lurk'.????

[andrew94]

You contribute by, for instance, saying who you suspect. Consider yourself added to the above list, andrew94. Who do you suspect today? Even if it's the same as yesterday, vote accordingly.

And no, Nexus never said that. Please read the game.

ok. i make suspoect list when i go home


u misunderstand me. i believe a2rude said 'HE HAD TO GO LURK' - not referring to nexus?

[andrew94]

I need to reread... no longer suspicious of kat/looker at this point...

Why not?

Looking back at Kat's play, it is no different than her play in any other game. most of which she has flipped town in. Also, I have a policy in which I don't lynch replacements on their first day unless there are extrenuating circumstances.

As for who I think is scum:
I find it hard to believe andrew is this clueless about the game, even in a new setup, especially not knowing where the wiki is.
I still dislike mongooses reaction to the early game bandwagons. They look opportunistic.
A mongoose vote will do no good at this point so:

Vote: andrew94

lol? i had a newbie game where 7/9 ppl were replaced, so we just dont get them? fail reasoning is fail
i know where the wiki is, i already said previously i kept typing in c9+++ or some thing like that

why mongoose vote will do no point

[andrew94]

ok, i think that morthrax and katsuki is scum .
because morthrax accuse katsuki, is a weak attempt at bussing.
then he says 'i dont go after replacements' again a weak attempt at stopping the bussing

and well, so i find the relevant quote later

[andrew94]

omfg, i tried to change my avatar to the 3rd t his one, but it wasnt the correct size!
GIMME BACK MY ORIGINAL

[andrew94]

suspect: morthax

look at this...

Cut the WIFOM. Seriously. :Scum wouldn't do this so I can't be scum" is not a valid defense.

then how at this....

Why would he have drawn so much attention to himself if he was scum?

i gotta sleep now, will answer the blak one later

[andrew94]

Oh my god quit squirming.
First, WIFOM is not asking "what if." It's circular reasoning and questions that can't be proven one way or the other. The kind that gets nobody nowhere and only chews up time.
Second, it's not your job to instruct the town who to lynch, regardless of how close the deadline is. It's up to the players to make their own decisions, and trying to get in the way of that is anti-town, if not flat-out scummy.
Third, derp I can't get suspicion off of me so I'll try to get suspicion onto an easy-target lurker.
Fourth, derp don't lynch me cuz I'm a power role.
Fifth, #139 is closer to WIFOM than how you defined it. "I can't be scum because if I was scum I wouldn't have claimed roleblocker." Well we only know that based on your words.
Sixth, just because nobody should out themselves doesn't mean that you're not hoping that someone would be reckless enough to.
And lastly, two double posts followed by a triple post seems to me like you're grasping at straws to get away from the spotlight.

We're at L-2 right? I want to make sure I have my count right before I vote.

ok this is the original post that was directed at sa. first, he explains wifom. 2nd post is the only good thing that he said, the rest is all filler- for explain saying that i am an easy target lurker- pls look at other more lurkers. then 4th point suggests that he knows sa is a pwoer role. then 5th is more wifom explaining. then double post triple thing isnt grasping? i double triple post regularly. then finally, he wants to make sure vote count right.
that might be nothing but... he might want to wagon lol...

so thats the post that strikes me as full of filler, gut feeling+ etc = scummy feeling


morthax: case already shown

vote morthax

[andrew94]

@jmj: Okay, here's my basically what I was thinking about the SA kill

Wait, why did SA wind up dead? He was probably the most heavily-pushed wagon yesterday. He probably could have gotten lynched today. And why would they risk wasting a NK if SA drew a doc protect? The fact that he claimed Roleblocker by itself wouldn't be enough, would it? Roleblockers aren't that dangerous for scum. Most likely, there was at least one or two scum pushing the SA wagon.
But wait, that seems too on the nose. It seems too obvious. Maybe the scum have a particular person they want to get lynched today, and that person was pushing the SA wagon pretty hard, so they set up the NK to incriminate him.

And that's when I started thinking along WIFOM lines.

a super fluffy post, roleblockers are damagerous? they roleblock?? how do you know that they are not dangerous... unless...unless..... YOURE THE SERIAL KILLER/ part of mafia with no roles.
my serial killer theroy makes sense because sk attack bypasses doc protect(right?)
me no like ur wifom'ing. me vote you if morthax explain good good

[andrew94]

As we know, SA was a power role

and power roles tend to get NK'd. I was curious how the NK WIFOM would play out. Would he be left alive to be mislynched? Would he be night killed? Would he remain alive because he was scum? It's not important now since that uncertainty has been resolved.

cough cough

[andrew94]

what about you who just won another game by lurking huh?

[andrew94]

OH ALSO ANDREW, I draw your attention to this: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2548010

Ergo, your argument about my lurking collapses, since you think meta fails.

yes i think meta fails, but i hate it when ppl say im not saying shit when u have way less s'hit then me

[andrew94]

oi blak defend urself.
morthax defend urself

[andrew94]

so thats your foolish defence?

i didnt throw shit at everyopne.
only u and morthax i think?
lol?

[andrew94]

#142 sa votes me because i apparently wasnt posting enough and he doesnt want to no lynch. then i point out other ppl who actually didnt post more shitt then me
#144 i already explained why that post is scummy
#236 nexus won in the lovers game, by lurking ( he said as replacement he doesnt post much)

furthermore, i provided a decent case as u made some wifom of how a roleblocker is not dangerous (my logic states that he is obs not dangerous to u cos ur sk) then said doctor didnt protect him ( how u know theres a doc, if ur sk, ur kill goes past that), u just chucked my posts baCk to me.

i asked morthax about his contradiction. he hasnt replied. u dont consider it, instead saying that i said 'nothing'.

[andrew94]

DI = each kill bypasses single doc protect (but not more)
BI = bypasses single roleblock attempt each night (but not more)
KI = survives one kill attempt each night (but not more)
CI = appears to cops as a townie (Added: Both sanities)
SI = appears to mafia spy as desired
RB = has a roleblock ability usable once

[andrew94]

claim :mason

[andrew94]

i have answered the questions

and im not getting my bro to out himself because someone had nothing better to do and says 'look at this overwhelming pile of evidence againstg andrew' - forgot who said that, and nobody posting in this whole of day 2

[andrew94]

@Andrew: It's not a defense. It's why I think you're scummy.
See that's what's wrong with you. You think "hey, maybe I can put suspicion on someone else instead" is a valid defense. It's not. And that's why you're scummy. And I'm not even trying to defend myself, because you haven't given a valid accusation against me yet.

Also, here's all the posts where you tried to cast suspicion on somebody with no/not enough reasoning.
#30: You call Mongoose a hypocrite for asking for more posts while you apparently believe he hasn't posted enough either. Normally I wouldn't consider this anything but that was your

third post in the game

.
#32: You call Alduskkel out for posting fluff. And, again, this was your fourth post in the game thread.
#109: Calling Nexus out for not posting much. He had an okay excuse because he was V/LA. Meanwhile, you'd been posting a good amount but not actually saying anything.
#142: Sleepless Assassin (now confirmed town) votes you in order to avoid going to no lynch. You flail and try to shift attention to a2rudeboy and Nexus on the grounds that they've been lurking.
#144: "Hurr that post's so obviously scummy but I don't know why it's scummy" *facepalm*
#219: You say that Mothrax attacking Katsuki was bussing (with absolutely no reasoning as to why you think this) and that him giving Looker some reprieve due to being a replacement is him trying to stop bussing (again, offering no reason as to why you think this).
#233: You quote Alduskkel, bold a random chunk of his quote, and say "cough cough." Nothing more. Then you completely ignore everyone that asks you what you meant by this.
#236: Nexus just asked you what you meant by the above post. You counter him with "lololol you lurked in another game!"

My vote stands. Defend yourself.

I gonna get called out for not posting content here, but this post really shows the overwhelming case on andrew. At first I figured it was just bad play, but I've been convinced alot of it is Noob Scum, since its alot like I played in my first game as scum.

unvote;vote: andrew

here we go. this guy is scummy. blak at least seems to be posting stuff(tho not true).

[andrew94]

i already tried my best to defend from your attacks which mostly consist of me posting fluff.
the one thing that stands out is moongose just saying 'overwhelming evidence'= vote me

unvote vote mon

[andrew94]

ok mr mongoose, what your saying is that i can start the day of by saying ' i know im gonna be called out for this b ut IM not going to be doing anythign today'

then u can say ' i said i was not going to do anything'.

i am not outing my bro, he can out himself if he wants

[andrew94]

so in conclusion, your starting a new wagon, hoping for another claim, whilst thsoe ppl are still voting for me.
pfft

[andrew94]

firstly jmj i didnt mention katsuki? i mentioned blak and morthax.
ur case on morthax is exacgtly the same as mine (i wrote it first)


antihero its 1 day to the deadline ..

[andrew94]

what lie? i said i slipped my mind because i was attacking someone else.

get mongoose

[andrew94]

to be a mason is an understatement.
to get lynched as an innocent child is just fail

[andrew94]

and guess who dies at night

i have to bold and everything

[andrew94]

i was away duh..

[andrew94]

no i was away the last 12 hours

[andrew94]

i already got lynched. shut the fuck up

[andrew94]

whats dr



you are an innocent child. at any time of day, you may type in bold (claim innocent child). i will mod confirm you as that role.



G thanks

[andrew94]

no i get lynched early in games because i talk too much like sa

talking to much = slips for some reason to ppl

[andrew94]

lol@ my epic twilight posts

[andrew94]

GG. wd for making so far ba. rages at rudeboy=

[andrew94]

havingfitz did it
and pointed out the possible number of t's.

[andrew94]

@mod,, can the sk forfeit his kill