Actually Dekes, I've been working through an extensive rereading of the thread, and I didn't want to just post for the sake of posting, so I haven't.
The REASON I haven't done much aside from answer questions on D2 is because I've had a lot of questions addressed to me, and I've had a lot to process and think about. Also, it's pretty rich that you would call someone out for not posting much since your post about me not posting much basically starts with a reason you're not posting much. I'm not done with the post I want to make (i.e., not ready to vote yet), but here's a brief synopsis of my notes to keep you sated until I am.
1) Its up to
Adem
to clear himself with the rest of you. I don't think he's scum, but I've never said I could 100% clear him.
Not agreeing with people who think he is scum does not make me scum in return
. That is
craplogic
. If you lynch him, it will have to be without me; there are enough of you to do that if you reeeally want to. I was at one point convinced he was scum, and now I have reason to believe he is not. I've shared my reasons for not thinking so, and it's up to him and the rest of you what happens to him now. If he flips scum, then obviously I was wrong, but again, that doesn't mean I'm scum, too.
2) Right now I am leaning town on
CK
despite the fact that he has posted enormous amounts of fluff (so much so that I'll never know why a few random posts of mine got any attention at all), but his ISO 62-4 show him choosing not to hammer Adem and instead choosing the Jason wagon instead of the HH wagon. I could WIFOM all day about that choice, but when it comes down to it, he was encouraging people to vote for Jason, not just voting him on his own, even though the HH wagon would have been a logical choice for scum CK, especially on D1.
3)
MoI
seems town to me, but sometimes I have a fleeting thought that he is just reeeally good scum. For example, his comment that I was making "constant" suggestions about the scum group not being amongst the protagonists is wrong. I only said something to that effect one time, so the choice of the word "constant" is puzzling to me. Those little comments are few and far between, though. Also, I've found that I often suspect really strong players on general principle. (I blame the dungeon master of my irl gaming group for this, as he is a "bastard mod" so to speak and I have long been conditioned to not trust anyone who seems helpful, ever, as doing so will generally result in very bad things.)
4)
Dram
and
BC
are fishy, but they aren't exactly going out of their way to appease the town, which is something scum would try to do. That makes me think town, but I'm not absolutely certain about either of them in one way or another. It's either both or neither with them, and they aren't talking, so there isn't a whole lot to work with other than what I've already said, and not much to say other than that they are in the same boat as Adem and I, except that they seem to know each other's alignment whereas I don't know Adem's for sure, and they haven't nameclaimed.
5)
AGar
, at the beginning of the day you were insistent that CK was scum, but you begin backing off in your ISO 15 and refocusing on Dram/BC. Is there a reason other than the fake-hammer and some IoA that you particularly feel CK is scum, but you stopped pushing it?
6)
Dekes
, I've been back and forth over you this entire time, because as a woman it's kind of creepy to think about lynching a pregnant woman, even in a game. I've been trying to put that aside and be objective about the game, though, and, I basically have two issues with you.
A) In this post (ISO 9), you say:
Dekes wrote:I don't get the suspicions for jenni though. She was passive at the beginning, but has picked up the pace (granted, after she has been prodded by others) and her posts didn't seem that useless at all. Strong stances, questioned her suspects, no vague infos. And no, I don't think I'm confusing long posts = town posts here, just because I tend to make fewer, but longer posts myself. Not on my scum list.
In ISO 15 it's this:
Dekes wrote:I'm undecided about jenni. I mostly get town vibes from here and I would believe a scenario where scum had a town player's name but not vice versa (I believe there's a role that does that, but I can't recall what it's called). Jenni being alive irks me though. I can see FSH being killed based on his play style so far, but Jenni openly claiming a dangerous PR not being killed? But eh, this is just pure WIFOM here.
And nothing about my alignment or how you feel about it again until ISO 22:
Dekes wrote:I just quick-Iso'd jenni. Boy, is she flying (at least under my) radar. Her last post is almost three days old, she hasn't expressed any suspicions at all on D2 and instead has only been answering to questions directed at her and continued trying to clear Adem.
This makes me more wary of her wary of her than I originally was.
You weren't "originally" wary of me. Until this post, you have stated things that indicate you don't think I'm scum. (I left out a post in which you say you think as a pair, BC and Dram are scummier than the pair of Adem and me, but that Adem is the scummiest individual, which further infers I am not in your suspect list.)
Question:
Why paint it as though you have been wary about me all along, when you haven't been?
B) You vote HH in ISO 9, but you don't talk about him at all there. Your reason for voting is based on previous posts/reasons given by others and yourself.
You change your vote to Adem in ISO 10, and your reason is basically a summary of my argument, which is that he was pushing null lynches. At this point Jason and Vezo had also voted him, so it was a safe wagon to join. After D2 started, you continue to talk about how suspicious you are of Adem, but you've been parroting my original argument about him distancing just as you have been all along. Recent posts have moved on from that, but that has been the crux of your argument for a while.
Question:
Can you build a case on anyone that doesn't revolve around what others have already said about that person?
7) Vezo: just wants to end the game quickly at this point; no new ground to cover here.
