Magician's Mafia: The Hypnotists, Game Over

[Antihero]

Oh yeah, and raz is still scum.

[Razgriz]

ON what grounds?

[Black Mist]

Okay, you should be able to see the reason I complained about Fate, I found that player overbearing and rude, I'm sure (s)he is a nice person but I don't like seeing people trying to control a game. If that's how this game is being played than what's the point in even truely playing. That alone wasn't enough to warrant a vote, hence why I haven't voted in this game. If you can't seem to understand that than I really don't get this game. And now that Fate is gone, Elliberth is going to try to control things? This game just doesn't seem like a mafia game at all.

Questions I have about this game;
What are the reasons behind the votes? Like what can you say about the players you have voted? About their play in [this] game.
How is asking why you're being voted place you as scum?
How come it seems like I've jumped into a game where people care more about following one person? Because that person claims supriority to other.

Statements I have;
I Don't know what you would call what I did in my last vote. But I'm easily fed up when I get frusterated. See above(^)

[GhostWriter]

Did you not see how I interacted with Fate? I hold my ground, and do my thing. That's how you do it. You do not bow out and whine about it and use emotional appeals to try to curry favor with people. There are players exactly like that all over the site. Expecting everyone to act exactly within specific parameters is unrealistic.

My reasons behind my vote have been listed on the first day. Couple that with the fact that Dana not only does nothing to make me change my mind, but in fact acts scummier and I think my vote now speaks for itself. I don't know why everyone else is jumping on. Granted, I have stated multiple times that I want Dana to be lynched, my word alone shouldn't be a reason for people to follow me. Hence why I am weary of the speed of the wagon.

I do not believe the question itself is scummy. The manor in which one asks that question, however...

How come you keep coming back to this? Like I said, do your own thing. You're so focused on the people who are blindly following the most vocal person that you ignore the others who are also scumhunting. Something yo yourself haven't been doing. Perhaps if you scumhunted or read the game a bit slower (because I can only assume you've glanced over it to miss as much as your post implies you've missed) before posting, then maybe people wouldn't want to lynch you. Then again, sometimes it's just so hard to hide scumminess.

[Toogeloo]

Ghost, MPR, Toogs, Anti, Raz ... that's dana's current wagon, which means he is at L-2.

The speed of which dana gained votes at the end was a little disconcerting, but if dana is scum, I am more inclined to trust it. However, we already had a fast Day 1, I would rather not have a faster Day 2. Should dana claim? Absolutely, but I would also like more pressure on Seraphim today as I actually find his activity more scummy. There is a possibility that dana voted me to protect Seraphim I think, which makes me feel better about both being good overall suspicions.

Ghost, how do you feel about the 4 others on the wagon (including myself if you don't mind), and how do you think we should proceed (ie, get him to L-1 and force claim, contemplate lynch, or maybe pressure a second individual and compare)? I'm of the latter personally, though, it seems most players on MS (not my primary mafia site) prefer to keep their claims tight vested.


The sincerity of Black Mist's post feels odd to me. She is a member since 2008, obviously this can't be her first rodeo.

[Toogeloo]

Also, still awaiting Rockerboo comments, and if ani can't play, I would prefer a replace on him.

[Katsuki]

Ani has flaked everywhere.

Dana was on my radar for her D1 vote on MPR wagon, but honestly, both she and and raz would both be lynches that I support.

[GhostWriter]

MPR is just looking for bandwagons.
Raz pretty much copied your reasoning. Like, a cliffnotes version. Except you won't get a C on a paper using this version. Probably not even a D. And Raz presented it almost as if he himself found something and wanted to share with the class. No wonder people can see Raz as scummy.
Anti hinted at copying your reasoning without actually saying the reasoning. Which, of course, means that Anti can deny this and bring up something entirely different in an attempt to discredit me and derail the wagon. Or do something else devious. I think it's fairly obvious I don't like this vote. Unless it's talking about the one specific thing in that post that I will now refuse to mention. Fun, isn't it?
As for you, it was a very OMGUS-ish vote. Except that it wasn't. The defense was good and well thought out, and it warranted you voting him to the point that, had you not, we'd be having a very different conversation right now. A misrepresentation that huge could not be allowed to pass by without you voting him.

Regardless of how strong I am on a particular person, or set of people, I'm always ready and willing to hear a good case. I see NO pro-town point in not listening to a good case that don't involve sanity-guaranteed alignment-cops, strong and clear investigation roles, town-recruitable-only masons, and thing of the like. So I am perfectly fine with pressuring other people. Like Black Mist. Or a few others that I could name, but won't, because it might screw up the reads.

I noticed that you'd be more inclined to trust the wagon, regardless of it's speed, if Dana flips scum. I disagree. Then I'd really look at those other three more closely, as it could be that one of them is simply scum hiding in a wagon they think will come to pass based on Dana's recent play. Especially after your post. Meaning I'd look more closely at Raz and Anti in particular.

I also noticed that little bit at the end of your post. Yeah, I took a look at her join date while I was typing my response to her. It's weird, isn't it? No way this is the first game she's played with "rude" people. Or "strong-willed" people, as I prefer to call them.

[Antihero]

@post 376: This is a joke, right? The backtrack still exists, you trying to discredit everyone by saying "well gandalf flipped town" is pretty full of fail.

[Razgriz]

Ok the arguement was, "I tried to test the waters before voting my 'scumbuddy'" Obviously gandalf wasn't scum

[GhostWriter]

Raz, are you aware that there is more than that against you? Might wanna go back and check again...

[danakillsu]

I do not see myself going anywhere with this game. I really do hate being town with no abilities who everyone wants to lynch. Go ahead and put me out of my misery. I'm not sure I could care less.

[Razgriz]

Oh yeah ghost, my accidental quoting.

[Black Mist]

That's where you're wrong, if you actually looked at the spot where you see my sig, I've actually only ever played 2 games. And I avoided forums for abit in 2009 because of RL issues and commitments. I played a few Newbie games this past few months and they are nothing like this. And yes, it's easy for me to get distracted when there are overbearing players.

[GhostWriter]

Yes, Raz. That's the only thing. Never mind your distinct lack of scumhunting. Forget the post MPR had of you earlier, referencing your iso. Don't even mention that you have never dropped a town tell all game and don't have that feeling some players have where you kind of sense that they are town by the the flow of their posts, so that it would mask scummy things you say/do. You know, people should TOTALLY just let that accidental quoting thing go!

[Razgriz]

Has anything happened after I quoted? No. So don't pull that shit. And if you want to know the lack of scumhunting, it might be because I've never played with Fate and wasn't prepared for his...crazieness

[GhostWriter]

So one player is going to continue to be your crutch for lack of scumhunting for the rest of the game? Lovely.

[Ellibereth]

Ugh, tired as hell and this shit is happening here.
2 goddamn premature vanilla claims. We're lynching one of dana or Black mist today. Now let me figure out who.

[Ellibereth]

DANA
I don't remember you being a total unmotivated vanilla-hating early Ate claimer of late. Any RECENT examples of you acting as such?

[Ellibereth]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2535982
This is bullshit and pathetic, same thing with all of Black Mist's blaming his own little woes on not being used to other players styles. ADAPT.

[Razgriz]

No I will be scumhunting. That was just the reason for no day 1 scumhunting

[Ellibereth]

Start now.
In your next post.
GO.

[petroleumjelly]

Day Two Vote Count #1

5 danakillsu (GhostWriter, MehPlusRawr, Toogeloo, Antihero, Razgriz)
1 Black Mist (Ellibereth)
1 Razgriz (Katsuki)
1 Toogeloo (danakillsu)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch, and

4

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is October 8, 12:30 pm.

Not Voting – 5 – animorpherv1, Black Mist, Rockerboo, Seraphim, vezokpiraka

Note

: animorpherv1, Rockerboo, and vezokpiraka have been prodded.

[Razgriz]

Ok Elli you want scumhunting? Bring it. And I think I figured how to link posts so I'll be doing that...

-Dana

Exhibit A:

Post #103
Ok so it was day 1 and Fate was losing it, but I didn't see anything on that post that was him trying to make a good point. Now also note that he hadn't posted but 3 times by then.

Exhibit B:

Post #125
Now this I find weird. He says he won't randomly put gandalf at L-1 like he did MPR, which to me seems weird. Might be wanting to distance himself from a scumbuddy?

Exhibit C:

Post #129
Doesn't even give a reason, just pretty much gets used by Fate in his er, craziness.

Exhibit D:

Post #204
Seems that dana wants to know why so she/he can act more like a townsperson.

Exhibit E:

Post #290
Just makes a random scumlist without giving reasons.

Exhibit F:

Post #368
Another 1 or 2 liner without much in it and a poor reason for the vote.

Exhibit G:

Post #386
Just plainly gives up on the game. Not a town move.

Conclusion:

Dana is scum and has given up, so would someone hammer the scum?

[Katsuki]

Unvote, Vote: Raz

That was some of the shittiest analysis I've ever seen. I got to 'exhibit B', and saw that your reasoning made ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

ELLI
IF YOU ARE TOWN
YOU WILL VOTE RAZ.