Open 254 ~ Trust Issues (FvEvE) Game Ends

[Lowell]

Early guesses. Equi is town, singer not so much.

unvote, vote singer

[CSL]

Roll Call III

Equinox -3- Nobody Special, Sevei, Nexus
Nobody Special -1- quadz08
Sevei -1- Zed
singersigner -2- Antihero, Lowell
quadz08 -2- a2rudeboy, Equinox
Antihero -1- singersigner

Not voting: Everyone else

12 in class, 7 expels

Pomegranate is V/LA until tonight

The flavor in the OP and the first post of Day 1 has been updated.

Deadline is in two weeks, the 6th of October, at 7:00pm EST

[Zed]

What's the point of an RVS vote than?

It wasn't about an RVS, it was that there was nothing else there. That bugs me.

[Sevei]

unvote

Vote:Quadz

; rolefishing? Really?

[CSL]

Adding a new rule I totally missed.

If you haven't posted for 48 hours, you will be prodded. Failing to post in 48 hours after the prod will have your ass replaced. Post, or GTFO! This does not apply if you are V/LA or dead, of course.

[Pomegranate]

Hey people. I have yet to read the tread, but I'll get around to it fairly soon, so hi.

[quadz08]

I did some metagaming.

HEY, QUADZ08. REMEMBER MINI 1005?

Didn't someone do an RQS in that game, too? With the same question? Oh, yeah, didn't someone else accuse Tasky of trying to rolefish?

You've been through this discussion before, scumbag. You know better.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: quadz08

Yes, in fact, I do remember Mini 1005. I happen to agree with the fact that it can be construed as rolefishing, and you not answering (which you still haven't done) is not helping that case.

[CSL]

Checking for prods...

Nexus and Nobody Special were prodded

[Nexus]

My bad, didn't realise it had been that long. Sorry, have spent the last few days filling in job application forms.

[Nexus]

There's not really a lot to go on, but antihero, can you explain what your formula on Page 2 means?

[Pomegranate]

Early guesses. Equi is town, singer not so much.

unvote, vote singer

And Lowell is scummy as usual.

[Equinox]

Yes, in fact, I do remember Mini 1005. I happen to agree with the fact that it can be construed as rolefishing, and you not answering (which you still haven't done) is not helping that case.

If it were my intention to rolefish with that question, it would not have mattered whether or not I answered first. So, tell me, how is waiting for everyone else to answer -- something I have done for all the games in which I have done an RQS -- going to benefit the hypothetical Equiscum? If it benefits scum so much, why do I see the vast majority of players doing an RQS answering their own questions last? Further, if that particular question benefits scum so much, why do I see town players ask it so much?

You're chasing after a red herring, and you didn't have a problem with the questions (save for your "OH THE WIFOM" response) when you first answered them. You brought it up only

after

singersigner did.

And Lowell is scummy as usual.

No other comments? >_>

---

Since it's apparent I'm not going to get anything else, I'll reveal my cards.

Everybody hold on to your hats... This is going to be one mind-blowing revelation!

1. What is your time zone?
2. How much activity can we expect from you?
3. What is your favorite role?
4. Chaos or order?

1. UTC-7 until November
2. See activity disclaimer on page 1
3. Fruit vendor <_<
4. Order

The one person who refused to answer #1 because it was not "game-related" received +10 scum points. It's tied to question #2. I asked to get a sense of how active the game was going to be. Standard question, etc.

#3 was

not

game-related. Given all the controversy that just happened, nothing I say is going to look good, but

fuck it,

it is what it is. I actually didn't care how you answered; as several of you have already mentioned, it's a WIFOM question that one can't use in any sort of analysis. I threw it in there because it was a standard RQS question. The giant stink you lot (and by "you lot" I really mean only two of you) made over this is telling, so I'll give singersigner points for that one.

#4

was

game-related, but I may have masked it a bit too much for it to be of any use. I'm working on a question that would tell me how certain players think, which would hypothetically lead me to NK analysis later in the game, without making it look like that was my intention. We'll see how this run goes.

/in before "Equinox crumpled under pressure! She's scum!"

I'm a bit more than miffed that I even got pressure for this

shit

. It's reasonable to expect it in a newbie game, but here? Come on.

[Equinox]

Quote wall incoming.

To actually address RQS responses:

1) Pacific
2) Walls. That's all I can say. I get a little quote-happy. Deal with it.
3) Any answer I might give would be very WIFOMish, so, I plead the Fifth.
4) Chaos all the way, baby.

I forgot that I got into a huge quote war with you. Thanks for reminding me to avoid getting you into that.

1) Eastern.
2) Active, I have the time to check the thread multiple times a day. I might not post everytime, though.
3) I'll tell you later.
4) Chaos ftw.

Possible future lurking from #2, but I do that too, so who cares. >_>

1. Pacific...NS, where're you from?
2. I've been a lot more active before these past couple of weeks. Not as much with school and band taking over now...but enough to invest in my games...if that makes sense...?
3. Pick another question.
4. I'm OCD. So order.

Makes sense. As long as Mafia doesn't interfere with school.

1. What is your time zone? Arizona (so Pacific, right now)
2. How much activity can we expect from you? a pretty good amount; I'm pretty busy, but check in regularly
3. What is your favorite role? OH THE WIFOM.
4. Chaos or order? I'm watching "Watchmen," so I'm gonna say chaos.

/shrug

1. What is your time zone? CST
2. How much activity can we expect from you? Um, 2-3 quality posts a day?
3. What is your favorite role? I've always rather fancied the role of Beatrice in Much Ado About Nothing.
4. Chaos or order? Chaos, Bebe. (But in the totally chaotic good way.)

+25 brownie points to Sevei for her response to #3. +10 town points to Sevei for response to #2 -- that's transparency, folks.

1. What is your time zone? GMT
2. How much activity can we expect from you? Depends on whether I get a job. Helping out at a school for two weeks, but should affect majorly
3. What is your favorite role? Nice try
4. Chaos or order? Chaos

Good luck with your job search.

To summarize:

Four players in Pacific, one in Central, and one in Eastern, so I have a pretty good idea of what to expect from these folks. GMT I'm not so good with, but I can deal with that.

Five players answered "chaos," and two players answered "order." One of you decided to discount your response by claiming

Watchmen

influenced you, but whatever. Sevei claiming "chaotic good" is interesting. Dunno what it means. +5 town points to the others who put up with the question and just answered it.

Thanks for answering.

[Equinox]

I thought I missed one.

1. What is your time zone? Not game related...
2. How much activity can we expect from you? Quite a bit
3. What is your favorite role? Also not game related...
4. Chaos or order? Chaos, entropy rules! (this still isn't game related)

As promised: -10 town points for #1

Six* players are with chaos and two players are with order. Looks like a losing battle, singersigner.

[Antihero]

Equinox, not wanting to reveal my location isn't something game related.
Don't finagle it into something that is.

The formula on page 2 was a bad physics joke from my sleep-deprived brain. My point was that I thought singer's questioning of equinox was indeed a push.

[singersigner]

Six* players are with chaos and two players are with order. Looks like a losing battle, singersigner.

...uh...what?

So for your questions:
I never had a problem with #1+#2. You're right; they give a good idea of how active people can be.

Ok, here's the problem I had with #3. It may not be game related, but it sure as hell looks like it, so we're going to take it as such. Backtracking and saying, oh no it wasn't supposed to be like that looks scummy. Contrary to what you think, it is NOT a standard RVS question unless you want to look scummy for asking it. It frustrates me that people invoke WIFOM simply to see the reactions of other people...that's WIFOM in it of itself. I don't think people had to react so strongly to it. Personally, I just didn't answer the question. The fact that some people got "so offended" because of it is telling of their defensiveness (quadz and jmurph off the top of my head).

#4 was just another question IMO. I figured it was more of a, how can we expect you to react to/play this game. Now that you've explained what exactly you were looking for, I can see what you're getting at; HOWEVER, now that you've explained it, I can also see how you might've just set me up for future NK WIFOM. Just throwing that out there.

[CSL]

Equinox's 86 constitutes a warning.

5. Do not edit/delete your posts. Do not use small text, strikethrough, or spoiler text.

[CSL]

"Hey, quiet down!" I yell to the room. "I want you to direct your whole, undivided attention, to your substitute instructor who is sitting at that desk back there. Behind Equinox."

I direct my meter stick at the back of the room.

"She will instruct you if I somehow disappear. Anyways, if you look on page 57..."

[Haylen]

Hi...uh...most of you know me. If CSL somehow gets sucked into a massive time warp and sent to an alternate universe we can

have a huge party

safely continue this...stuff and have a huge party cause I just want a party really...
PS. This colour's mine

[Zed]

Yes, I lurk sometimes. I don't always have something to say, just to name on reason.

Antihero, I can understand not wanting to give away your location, but I wouldn't really say that telling us your timezone is giving away your location. But it is your choice, so thats it. A better response to the question would have been that you don't want to give out that information, instead of saying it isn't game related.

*waves to Haylen*

[Sevei]

Chaotic Good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_ ... Dragons%29

Antihero, Time Zones are usually pretty big, so asking one's TZ isn't like asking for a/s/l. If we know you live somewhere like Timbuktu and are probably asleep when the rest of us are filling up page after page of debate, then we won't bust you for active lurking or something.

Going back over your ISO, I have to ask about this incident:

You quote Singer out of order and then dismiss her calling you out about it; I have read and reread that post of yours and it still looks like a deliberate misrep.

That would only hold up if I actually put the quotes in the order they appeared.

Really? I think it holds up as is because when people list quotes, sometimes others don't go back and read the originals. Therefore, listing someone's quotes out of order to make an argument is misrepping. Can you explain why you disagree?

UNvote

Vote: Antihero

[Pomegranate]

1. What is your time zone?
2. How much activity can we expect from you?
3. What is your favorite role?
4. Chaos or order?

Eastern.
Probably about once a day, or occasionally once every other day, not including V/LAs.
Mafia-Mason-Recruiter, which I've played.
Eh, Chaos is never boring, at least.

[Antihero]

You quote Singer out of order and then dismiss her calling you out about it; I have read and reread that post of yours and it still looks like a deliberate misrep.

Ummm... what?

That would only hold up if I actually put the quotes in the order they appeared.

Really? I think it holds up as is because when people list quotes, sometimes others don't go back and read the originals. Therefore, listing someone's quotes out of order to make an argument is misrepping. Can you explain why you disagree?

So, it's my fault that people might not actually read my post?

Seriously, people, what's with the sphincteritis about Equinox answering the damn questions? It's a red herring, drop it. (Side note: I think equinox is a "she")

oh, and vote:quadz because the Cavies suck

I don't know who the cavies are, but I think that random vote on page 3 suck. IGMEOY

Why would your answer influence others' answers? I see no reason why you shouldn't answer your questions now, unless you're just pretending that you actually had a reason for not answering your own reasonably standard questions.

...what?

I'm not pushing Equinox...it was a joke about an RVS vote...

Really? What's this then:

Why would your answer influence others' answers? I see no reason why you shouldn't answer your questions now, unless you're just pretending that you actually had a reason for not answering your own reasonably standard questions.

For the record, I never insisted on anything, nor did I press the matter in any way, shape, or form.

Welcome those who have had yet to post, and have now posted!

Backtracking is bad

Hmmm... The cut and paste fail really mucks up the post. Let's fix that.

...what?

I'm not pushing Equinox...it was a joke about an RVS vote...

This is what singer said when I said that her equinox push doesn't have any merit.

Really? What's this then:

Why would your answer influence others' answers? I see no reason why you shouldn't answer your questions now, unless you're just pretending that you actually had a reason for not answering your own reasonably standard questions.

This is what she said previously. I put the original quote first and then pointed out something she said previously. I guess you I could have posted them in reverse order, but I think that would have been pretty awkward. Please tell me how changing the order subverts the meaning of the post.

For the record, I never insisted on anything, nor did I press the matter in any way, shape, or form.

Welcome those who have had yet to post, and have now posted!

Backtracking is bad

Any more confusion?

[Equinox]

Phone posting...

Oh, boo. I didn't check the rules beforehand. Sorry, CSL.

singersigner, I didn't backtrack. That was exactly my thought process as I wrote the question. The only reason it looks scummy is because someone decided they didn't like the question.

[Nexus]

I always thought that every rule set had "No spoilers" and suchlike?