/Invitational 11: Pick your Poison 5 (Game Over)

[Patrick]

Votecount

mith (1) -- Seraphim
DrippingGoofball (3) -- mith, Plumegranate, iamausername
ooba (3) -- SpyreX, Fate, Ellibereth
Plumegranate (6) -- DrippingGoofball, Kmd4390, Rhinox, HackerHuck, ooba

Not voting: AdumbroDeus, PokerFace
14 alive, 8 to lynch.

Deadline: 28th of September, 9:20 pm, GMT.

[Plumegranate]

Ugh. We're gonna work on a post together soon, but... ugh. I'm so confused an behind in this game.

[Fate]

*sighs heavily*

[Ellibereth]

2 days.
Ooba or Plumen.
People need to start choosing.
Nao.

mith (1) -- Seraphim
DrippingGoofball (3) -- mith, Plumegranate, iamausername
Not voting: AdumbroDeus, PokerFace

^^^That means you guyz.

[DrippingGoofball]

Ugh. We're gonna work on a post together soon, but... ugh. I'm so confused an behind in this game.

^^^
C'mon gaiz

The I'm-confused-and-behind defense...

I'm so disappointed...

This being said I'll be around to help an ooba lynch, I don't think ooba is scum, but I can't say that I'm getting town vibes from him either.

[HackerHuck]

I don't understand the blend comment, can someone explain what that means?

Pokerface makes some good points about DGB's hider gambit being helpful for scum, but I don't think that's enough to put her in the scum category for me. I disagree with some of the details - there's enough debate about benefit of Janitor to scum that the scum might have thought it was a good idea. I also wouldn't expect the scum to block the hider because of the potential for double kills or the hider targeting scum. I think my biggest problem with this case is that it assumes there is a hider and I think the evidence makes it unlikely. I would imagine we'll see a hider die pretty soon if there actually are any in the game.

On ooba, was he even around to avoid the Emo wagon?

[Plumegranate]

Ugh. We're gonna work on a post together soon, but... ugh. I'm so confused an behind in this game.

^^^
C'mon gaiz

The I'm-confused-and-behind defense...

I'm so disappointed...

This being said I'll be around to help an ooba lynch, I don't think ooba is scum, but I can't say that I'm getting town vibes from him either.

That was Pom posting, and given that I've done the bulk of the work in this game even since she's come back from camp I don't think she's ever

not

been at least a bit confused and/or behind in this game.

I suppose I'm disinclined to believe the wagon analysis, given that (subjectively) it failed in terms of analyzing me, and Kmd gets a pass for being obvtown anyway and also the fact that trusting wagon analysis is his sort of thing. But Kmd, you

still

don't get a pass for not voting DGB even though you think she's scummy. Seriously, she's scum. I don't care about your catfight with mith, which I guess is a big part of why you're not trusting your scumread on DGB, and it's not a good reason my gosh. Back to my point: this wagon analysis has been a lazy way for everyone to say 'oh, pretty colors, well, DGB must be right' without offering any analysis . . . I'm less than impressed by this bandwagon here.

I'm really struggling to identify scum in this game. Right now, I've got Spy and Ellibereth as my top 2. [...] leaving just plumpom as potential scum.

My top two are Spyrex and Plumpom, are we ready to negotiate their surrender?

Yeah okay I was doubting Spy for a bit but then Fate came in and reminded me that all the love of a Town-SpyreX is right here, it's just me wishing there'd been more of it spooned out yesterday.

I KNOW I WAS CALLING PLUM SCUM BEFORE WAGON ANALYSIS TOO BUT I HAVE TO/...awgerfvawrkagbatehaethnatenblfaebnanteq
just give me a little more time. >.>

Elli, I've been patient with this for ages, but you

do

realize that the only thing Tajo found scummy about me was me voting ooba that late that long Day 1 - something I

didn't actually do

?

Their move to the zoras lynch ..

Re: why you thought a DGB/mith pairing was plausible yesterday - But you didn't notice that DGB shamelessly votehopped onto mith in the middle of the zoro wagon?

...because the point system is mathematically naive.

It's doesn't have to be complicated, it has to be EFFECTIVE. And effective it is.

Citation? For the people out there who like votecount analysis, how does DGB's method differ from yours/your preferred method, if at all?

Pom case on VV in post 921 is bad. Way too much going on to peg someone for lurking. It's interesting that Plum puts a halt to it in the next post.

Yeah, dude, we're sisters, we disagree pretty often (plus Pom didn't have as much familiarity with the context plus then I had an insight about VV's playstyle in a game where the scum chose a Vig).

Plume I don't see much from you, what's your scum/town list atm?

Approximately something like this, from Towniest to scummiest. It's a bit arbitrary in the middle.

8). Kmd4390
9). mith
12). iamausername (replacing Papa Zito) ~ 18). HackerHuck (replacing VasudeVa)
3). Fate (replacing ekiM)
17). SpyreX
15). Rhinox
4). Ellibereth ~ 20). AdumbroDeus (replacing Zorblag)
16). Seraphim (replacing Slicey) ~11). ooba ~ 10). PokerFace (replacing My Milked Eek)
2). DrippingGoofball

- Plum's VV vote an unvote is suspicious esp. since the unvote paragraph is a lot of words with no real stance. I would feel vindicated if HH was the fourth but leaning on unlikely since he had a choice between DGB\Plum and chose Plum..

I beg to differ on the "no real stance". I realized then that with scum knowing there's a Vig in the game, scum-VV is very unlikely given his playstyle. That was certainly a stance, and one which multiple players in this game found useful in the course of all the debates about VV. An L-1 vote for this? All of a sudden? I understand wanting to make sure you don't get wagoned again today (I GUESS), but it stinks of taking HH's feelings and recycling them as an excuse to vote me. I'm not amused.

PlumPom in case you were skimming you are at L-2 now, there is no need for you to claim

That's special, dear!

I'm not opposed to Plum but thats more of a MORE WORDS versus ooba/mme which I'm pretty sure there's done be a scums up ins.

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What do you mean you're not opposed to me????

2 days.
Ooba or Plumen.
People need to start choosing.
Nao.

Given a choice, ooba. Given a better choice, DGB dammit. I'll try to make a recap case on her tomorrow and if that doesn't work I've seen worse second choices than ooba . Oh wait, before I forget, just to keep things a little bit tidy -

Fruitsisters are still a good wagon. Don't worry about Ooba soiling the wagon. I know Fate understands what bussing is. Take a look at them in iso. The activity has seemed to really drop off after Day 1. From the most recent posts, I don't like their entry onto the DGB wagon. It seems to be based on Mith's assessment of DGB's alignment, which isn't too bad, but I don't like how they ignored the large case that IamAUserName put forward on his entry into the game. Considering they think he's town, I would have expected them to use it to support a case, but they instead look to ride Mith's coattails. Someone who really suspected DGB, would have picked that up, so I get the feeling that they were just looking for a reason to jump on the wagon and tied themselves to Mith.

I wish I had more time/enthusiasm to dissect long wallposts - if I did iam's stuff would top my list. As it stands, a general readthrough of it was enough to strongly convince me that Iam is Town. The DGB case was based on my own observations of DGB's behavior yesterday with the Zoro wagon. She's been pushing for it most of the day, happily encouraged it to reach L-1, and

then

when mith joined it and other people started going 'hey mith is scummy' she was like 'no I prefer the mith wagon based on mith agreeing with a lynch I like'. And

then

on top of that yes, mith's observations about her flip-flopping on exactly what she didn't like about mith on that wagon was a cherry on top. If mith's driving a wagon I approve of for various reasons including his and I advertise a wagon as being driven by him because I think it'll actually net a lynched scumbag, well, as they say WHOOOOOOOSH.

[mith]

Ellibereth: Are you scum with DGB, or would that be too obvious?

PokerFace's DGB analysis... meh. Keys in on the possible slips I've mentioned, but then spends a seemingly disproportionate amount of post talking about something that most of us seem to agree is a null tell. The bit at the end feels slimey. Like "Ok, I've posted loads and loads about my scumbuddy, now I'll try to avoid any responsibility for my deadline vote".

(There are too many potential DGB-buddies at this point. The town among you need to start acting like town. Scum keep doing what you're doing. Kthx.)

(Super-amused by "On ooba, was he even around to avoid the

Emo

wagon?")

[SpyreX]

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What do you mean you're not opposed to me????

You've been off the grid WAY too much here and I don't like it.

However, I like the majority of that post and maybe a few more will direct this hard and solid back at ooba (or VV sigh) where it should be.

[Fate]

There is no more goddamned VV stop livin in the PAST SPYREX

[Plumegranate]

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What do you mean you're not opposed to me????

You've been off the grid WAY too much here and I don't like it.

However, I like the majority of that post and maybe a few more will direct this hard and solid back at ooba (or VV sigh) where it should be.

I could say the same to you, dearest pot (especially given VV not even being on the grid anymore), but this kettle isn't interested in going around in circles.

[Fate]

Deadline's tommorow, move your damn vote to Ooba before I put you at L-1 just to get the wheels spinning.

[SpyreX]

Hacker SURE hasn't done anything that's made me shake that hate.

And have both you girls done lost your marbles?

[mith]

I find your lack of DGB votes disturbing.

(Will be checking frequently as deadline approaches, and will move my vote if the town continues to lack the good sense to vote for obvscum DGB. Strong preference for an ooba lynch over Plumegranate.)

[Kmd4390]

2 days.
Ooba or Plumen.
People need to start choosing.
Nao.

mith (1) -- Seraphim
DrippingGoofball (3) -- mith, Plumegranate, iamausername
Not voting: AdumbroDeus, PokerFace

^^^That means you guyz.

Um?

DGB and Ooba wagons are tied. Why is an Ooba vote more acceptable than DGB?

Elli, I've been patient with this for ages, but you do realize that the only thing Tajo found scummy about me was me voting ooba that late that long Day 1 - something I didn't actually do?

What does this have to do with anything?

Approximately something like this, from Towniest to scummiest. It's a bit arbitrary in the middle.

8). Kmd4390
9). mith
12). iamausername (replacing Papa Zito) ~ 18). HackerHuck (replacing VasudeVa)
3). Fate (replacing ekiM)
17). SpyreX
15). Rhinox
4). Ellibereth ~ 20). AdumbroDeus (replacing Zorblag)
16). Seraphim (replacing Slicey) ~11). ooba ~ 10). PokerFace (replacing My Milked Eek)
2). DrippingGoofball

So pretty much all the lurkers are scum?

[AdumbroDeus]

Not satisfied, way too safe of a post, all it tells me is that Plume doesn't wanna get lynched.


Ok, I'm fine with the Plume lynch.


Plumegranate

[AdumbroDeus]

ebwop: wrong tag.
VOTE: Plumegranate



Also, I strongly doubt VV (now Hacker) is a vig.

[iamausername]

I find your lack of DGB votes disturbing.

(Will be checking frequently as deadline approaches, and will move my vote if the town continues to lack the good sense to vote for obvscum DGB. Strong preference for an ooba lynch over Plumegranate.)

Second. Wish I had more time to push this right now.

[Kmd4390]

L-1.

Claim.

[Plum]

Vanilla Townie.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: ooba

/still ticked off that the DGB wagon failed.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote DGB

Plum would have fakeclaimed a power role as scum.

[Kmd4390]

Plum, get back on DGB. There's still time.

[Fate]

ggggggggggrAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

UNVOTW:
VOTE: DGB

THERE.

[Fate]

More support for it and we need lynch. Spy switch over, Plum switch back, POKERLULZ throw your damn vote down on DGB especially since you posted that wall.


If you're town DGB, all you had to offer was VC analysis so you won't be missed.

[mith]

Can it be? Has Kmd finally come to his senses?