Mini 1049 - Hide and Seek Mafia - FINAL Kablooie!

[Far_Cry]

My impression right now is that the active group is all town and the scumz are in the group that's not here at all.

That give me an idea: why won't us active people revolt and attack those friggin lurkers? I don't find all of them extremely scummy, but hey their lurking, and lurking is bad.

[jenniwren]

OK...I have been embroiled in a bitter battle in another game involving many walls and lots of fighting since yesterday (check my ISO), and then my mom called right after I started reading tonight and we talked for two hours, so it has taken me a while to get back to this one.

First:

Tans, early in the game you said you liked to switch up your meta so you couldn't be read...and today you told Kats to check out your games. Is your meta useful or not?

I try to play different in every game I play, that way people can't get a a meta on me =)

If you are going to try and meta me maybe you should base it off more than one game where I had most of the scum and town on me day 1

Second:

Tans, you keep coming back to identifying light sleepers. Why is this information necessary for you to have?

D2

And the only thing I can think about for "using" the roles would be to have the light sleepers claim and if we have 3 or 4 we split everyone up into those peoples rooms hoping that we put a scum in each room so even if a room gets blown up if the person wasn't in the room they were supposed to be we know they are scum. However the more I thought about it - it is a bad idea cuz even if we managed to randomly put a scum in each room and they didn't go to that room we would lose 3 townies to kill 1 scum

D3

Wondering if maybe the scum all hid in the same room on N1..

Any chance a light sleeper hid in the same room as Vezok on N1? And if so - maybe you could tell us who else was in that room?

Third:

You are also stuck on an Elli/Kats pair:

D2

Oh - and Triple post FTW - If Vezok does flip scum, and I get lynched and I flip town.. after you lynch Katsuki - Look at Elli as well, I smell scum in those two

Calling it now - Katsuki and Elli are scum...

D3

Anyone else getting the feeling Katsuki and Elli went from scum buddying to bussing?

You know what I'm getting a feeling of? That one, if not both of you, is scum. The tunneling has been pretty hardcore on both sides, but so far, neither of you has pushed it through to a lynch, as other candidates have taken precedent on both days. I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if you both flipped scum. Even today, you're at each others throats, and the Kats wagon got some momentum, and now you're going back to the idea that she and Elli are scum buddies (just as she suggested you were answering for MPR earlier), and it seems like you're turning your attention to Elli more now...lighting a fire to burn him, maybe. On D1, you also switched from voting Kats to voting mongoose, and on D2, you focused your vote on Kats and supported Vezok.

[tanstalas]

Another reason to talk about night choices - we have been extremely lucky thus far on not getting NK'd - however as we lose people due to mislynch, etc our choices of rooms gets smaller which increased chances that

A)More townies will hide in the same room
B)Scum will hit a room with townies in it

Right now though I am on the fence about telling people where to go

The pro to it is we would only lose 1 person at the max
The con to it is scum know they will get a guaranteed kill on whoever they target (since there is no chance of a doctor protecting anyone)

For the moment I am fine with not talking about where we are going to hide; if we get a bad night where a bunch of townies die in one room I may have to rethink this.

[jenniwren]

EBWODP:

Vote: Tanstalas

[TheButtonmen]

@Elli:

I know your keeping stuff close to your chest at the moment but with the Kat's shitting on town like she did either vote Kats or explain your piece and somehow convince me that she isn't the lynch for today

I'm not in the mood to pussyfoot around at the moment.

[tanstalas]

First:

Tans, early in the game you said you liked to switch up your meta so you couldn't be read...and today you told Kats to check out your games. Is your meta useful or not?

Basing a meta off of one game or off multiple games.. which do you think would be more accurate? Even though I may "try" to play differently there are probably playstyles that I do subconsciously that you may pick up on. Serious question: Was that a serious question from you?

Second:

Tans, you keep coming back to identifying light sleepers. Why is this information necessary for you to have?

Durp hurr - Seriously? The first quote I even said that was a bad idea. I never said hey light sleepers tell me who you are, I said that a reason to say where you hid would be if a light sleeper could counter that claim we would know that either the person who claimed LS is lying or the person who said they hid in that paticular room is lying, so we lynch the person who claimed the room hide first then if they flip town we lynch the "so-called" light sleeper as they obviously lied.

Even IF the light sleeper came forward there is no way that scum is going to be able to know where they hide the next night. I do not see any disadvantage of a LS outing themselves if they have INFORMATION to SHARE - Do you disagree?

Third:

You are also stuck on an Elli/Kats pair:

And you just dismiss everything I said about an Elli/Kats pair? You are saying that my case on them has no merit?

You know what I'm getting a feeling of? That one, if not both of you, is scum. The tunneling has been pretty hardcore on both sides, but so far, neither of you has pushed it through to a lynch, as other candidates have taken precedent on both days. I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if you both flipped scum. Even today, you're at each others throats, and the Kats wagon got some momentum, and

now you're going back to the idea that she and Elli are scum buddies

(just as she suggested you were answering for MPR earlier), and it seems like you're turning your attention to Elli more now...lighting a fire to burn him, maybe. On D1, you also switched from voting Kats to voting mongoose, and on D2, you focused your vote on Kats and supported Vezok.

@bolded - Umm, we have MORE THAN ONE scum left - did you forget that? Would you rather me tunnel on one person and not pay attention to how they interact with other people? Also - I like your choice of words in the bolded "Now you're

GOING BACK TO

the idea that she and Elli are scum" umm.. in the previous paragraph you just said I was stuck on an Elli/Kats pair... Did you forget that already? Are your lies causing you to be confused in this game?

Even though I'm almost 100% sure on Katsuki - I was iffy on Elli, with this post of yours sounding like you trying to discredit what I have said - which other people can see as well and have made comments on, I would say you just moved up to Elli level.

And I wouldn't say I "supported" Vezok, nice way of twisting my words there - I just said that I thought he was town because why would a mafia member blow up their own room, which was pointed out later that that would be a good WIFOM tactic.

[TheButtonmen]

ATTN TOWN.

JENN AND FAR-CRY ARE SCUM.

THAT IS ALL.

VOTE: FAR-CRY.

[tanstalas]

EBWODP:

Vote: Tanstalas

I saw this vote as I was posting my previous post but I figured I'd break it up since that one was getting long as it was.

Interesting also that you say you WOULDN'T be surprised if both of us are scum and then you vote me, even though I have made (in my opinion) valid points about Katsuki - and OTHER people in this game have made valid points, and yet you decide to vote me? You serious?

You have no comment at all on ANY of the other posts in here detailing how scummy Katsuki looks?

Yeah, ok.

Katsuki, Jenni, Elli - I'm coming back to this post at endgame.

I am sure that the last 2 scum are contained in those 3.

[tanstalas]

ATTN TOWN.

JENN AND FAR-CRY ARE SCUM.

THAT IS ALL.

VOTE: FAR-CRY.

I'd switch to a Jenni wagon, but I'm not sure about far_cry

Also - just noticed you are in Ontario - me too

@work now

[jenniwren]

First:

Tans, early in the game you said you liked to switch up your meta so you couldn't be read...and today you told Kats to check out your games. Is your meta useful or not?

Basing a meta off of one game or off multiple games.. which do you think would be more accurate? Even though I may "try" to play differently there are probably playstyles that I do subconsciously that you may pick up on. Serious question: Was that a serious question from you?

I was basically pointing out you once said you deliberately liked to change your meta and now you're pointing to it. I wanted to see how you would respond.

Second:

Tans, you keep coming back to identifying light sleepers. Why is this information necessary for you to have?

Durp hurr - Seriously? The first quote I even said that was a bad idea. I never said hey light sleepers tell me who you are, I said that a reason to say where you hid would be if a light sleeper could counter that claim we would know that either the person who claimed LS is lying or the person who said they hid in that paticular room is lying, so we lynch the person who claimed the room hide first then if they flip town we lynch the "so-called" light sleeper as they obviously lied.

Even IF the light sleeper came forward there is no way that scum is going to be able to know where they hide the next night. I do not see any disadvantage of a LS outing themselves if they have INFORMATION to SHARE - Do you disagree?

ON D2 you said we should identify the light sleepers and put everyone in different rooms...can you seriously not see the problem with this? And it would still be one person's word against another's word, unless more than one light sleeper was also able to verify it. I don't have any problems with INFORMATION, but what good is the information? It won't be useful until there are fewer people and fewer rooms.

Third:

You are also stuck on an Elli/Kats pair:

And you just dismiss everything I said about an Elli/Kats pair? You are saying that my case on them has no merit?

Right now I am more interested in a Tans/Kats pair--it seems much more obvious to me than an Elli/Kats pair, and I've been thinking about it since D1, so I want to investigate it.

and

now you're going back to the idea that she and Elli are scum buddies

(just as she suggested you were answering for MPR earlier), and it seems like you're turning your attention to Elli more now...lighting a fire to burn him, maybe. On D1, you also switched from voting Kats to voting mongoose, and on D2, you focused your vote on Kats and supported Vezok.

@bolded - Umm, we have MORE THAN ONE scum left - did you forget that? Would you rather me tunnel on one person and not pay attention to how they interact with other people? Also - I like your choice of words in the bolded "Now you're

GOING BACK TO

the idea that she and Elli are scum" umm.. in the previous paragraph you just said I was stuck on an Elli/Kats pair... Did you forget that already? Are your lies causing you to be confused in this game?

Even though I'm almost 100% sure on Katsuki - I was iffy on Elli, with this post of yours sounding like you trying to discredit what I have said - which other people can see as well and have made comments on, I would say you just moved up to Elli level.

And I wouldn't say I "supported" Vezok, nice way of twisting my words there - I just said that I thought he was town because why would a mafia member blow up their own room, which was pointed out later that that would be a good WIFOM tactic.

LOL. I know how many scum we have left, and I think you are definitely one, and Kats is probably the other. You have maintained "suspicion" on Kats since RVS, and you first brought up the Elli idea at the end of D2. You brought it up yesterday, and today you started focusing on Kats, and a little later, you brought Elli up again. When I say "stuck on" and "going back to" THAT is what I'm talking about.


And for your stance on Vezok, allow me to refresh your memory:

Well - interesting. Vezok confirmed town AMIRITE?

Vote: Katsuki

Her top 3 consisted of myself, camn and Vezok - as far as I am concerned Vezok is probably town - getting a town vibe from camn and I know I am town.

You wanted to clear him right away on D2. He quick-hammered, then his room got blown up, and then you wanted to confirm him RIGHT AWAY, and you voted Kats AGAIN right away, just like yesterday. Today, you start with Kats AGAIN and work Elli in later on, just like you did with mongoose on D1. I'm noting a pattern of interactions.

Prev. Edit: I can only vote one at a time, Tans...defensive much?

[tanstalas]

ON D2 you said we should identify the light sleepers and put everyone in different rooms..

.can you seriously not see the problem with this?

And it would still be one person's word against another's word, unless more than one light sleeper was also able to verify it. I don't have any problems with INFORMATION, but what good is the information? It won't be useful until there are fewer people and fewer rooms.

Are you fucking serious? Let me bold the part of that quote that you should pay attention to - you know the part where I said "IT'S A BAD IDEA"

And it wouldn't be one persons word against anothers. If I say You, Button, MPR and Katsuki need to be in Katsuki's room and KAtsuki's room blew up and you wern't in there - that is pretty OBVIOUS you wern't there as you wouldn't die. And if someone said they were a light sleeper and said that for example you were not in the room you should have been in we lynch you and if you flip town we know the person who claimed they were a LS was lying.

And the only thing I can think about for "using" the roles would be to have the light sleepers claim and if we have 3 or 4 we split everyone up into those peoples rooms hoping that we put a scum in each room so even if a room gets blown up if the person wasn't in the room they were supposed to be we know they are scum.

However the more I thought about it - it is a bad idea cuz even if we managed to randomly put a scum in each room and they didn't go to that room we would lose 3 townies to kill 1 scum

I think I'll just use random.org to figure out where to hide. There really is no strategy that I can think of. There is a 1/11 chance of not dying (well 1/10 after a lynch today - I like those odds)

Right now I am more interested in a Tans/Kats pair--it seems much more obvious to me than an Elli/Kats pair, and I've been thinking about it since D1, so I want to investigate it.

Riiiight, yet you say this and yet everyone else pretty much sees what I see in Katsuki and brings up other points yet you still vote me, and you also still have yet to

comment on my case

on Katsuki - or

ANYONE's CASE on her

for that matter. Deflect more from your scum partner AMIRITE?

LOL. I know how many scum we have left, and I think you are definitely one, and Kats is probably the other. You have maintained "suspicion" on Kats since RVS, and you first brought up the Elli idea at the end of D2. You brought it up yesterday, and today you started focusing on Kats, and a little later, you brought Elli up again. When I say "stuck on" and "going back to" THAT is what I'm talking about.

So before I and KAt were the scum now I DEFINITELY am, and Katsuki is PROBABLY...

And for your stance on Vezok, allow me to refresh your memory:

Well - interesting. Vezok confirmed town AMIRITE?

Vote: Katsuki

Her top 3 consisted of myself, camn and Vezok - as far as I am concerned Vezok is probably town - getting a town vibe from camn and I know I am town.

You wanted to clear him right away on D2. He quick-hammered, then his room got blown up, and then you wanted to confirm him RIGHT AWAY, and you voted Kats AGAIN right away, just like yesterday. Today, you start with Kats AGAIN and work Elli in later on, just like you did with mongoose on D1. I'm noting a pattern of interactions.

The pattern is that I am voting for Katsuki because she is scum. Did you not notice that Katsuki removed her vote on Vezok after she saw the MPR vote - and according to her she wasn't sure that MPR had hammered or not - does that not seem scummy to you, especially now knowing how vezok flipped?

I am silly and can't believe I forgot.

Unvote, Vote tans

Vezo isn't gonna be back to explain his actions.

If MPR did in fact hammer

, he'll be facing the same questions vezo was.

Prev. Edit: I can only vote one at a time, Tans...defensive much?

Not defensive - just frustrated that I have to take the time to answer your flailing as I have your scum buddy nailed to the wall

I really don't think MPR is scum now - he did give plently of notice before he hammered and he hammered a scum. WIFOM I know but that is my opinion.

I have a much better case on Katsuki and now Jenni (Elli is more of a gut read based on interactions between him and Katsuki)

[jenniwren]

Are you fucking serious? Let me bold the part of that quote that you should pay attention to - you know the part where I said "IT'S A BAD IDEA"

And it wouldn't be one persons word against anothers. If I say You, Button, MPR and Katsuki need to be in Katsuki's room and KAtsuki's room blew up and you wern't in there - that is pretty OBVIOUS you wern't there as you wouldn't die. And if someone said they were a light sleeper and said that for example you were not in the room you should have been in we lynch you and if you flip town we know the person who claimed they were a LS was lying.

You never explained it like this; it's more clear now that you use examples and names. And the point I was originally making was you brought up the light sleepers thing again on D3, even after the idea was dismissed on D2. It struck me as odd.

Right now I am more interested in a Tans/Kats pair--it seems much more obvious to me than an Elli/Kats pair, and I've been thinking about it since D1, so I want to investigate it.

Riiiight, yet you say this and yet everyone else pretty much sees what I see in Katsuki and brings up other points yet you still vote me, and you also still have yet to

comment on my case

on Katsuki - or

ANYONE's CASE on her

for that matter. Deflect more from your scum partner AMIRITE?

I started with you tonight because I felt like it. Now that I see I've kicked a hornet's nest, I'm going to stick with it until you either convince me you're innocent or you're lynched.

I think you're bussing her and she's bussing you in hopes we'll think you're just two town butting heads and then moving to a stronger wagon after you've made sure everyone knows you are against each other. Like now, I call you out for this behavior, and suddenly you can move away from her and onto me. I think you were going to try to maneuver the wagon to Elli earlier as you started talking about how scummy he is and how he has to be Kats' partner. (Deflecting from YOUR partner much?) I think the plan is that you bus early, and eventually you'll change your vote, lynch someone other than one another, bomb a bedroom, and then repeat.

So before I and KAt were the scum now I DEFINITELY am, and Katsuki is PROBABLY...

Yes. I think you're both scum. Like I said, I started with you tonight because I saw something in your voting patterns and your interactions and I wanted to follow up on it. Your reaction has been quite interesting.

The pattern is that I am voting for Katsuki because she is scum. Did you not notice that Katsuki removed her vote on Vezok after she saw the MPR vote - and according to her she wasn't sure that MPR had hammered or not - does that not seem scummy to you, especially now knowing how vezok flipped?

I am silly and can't believe I forgot.

Unvote, Vote tans

Vezo isn't gonna be back to explain his actions.

If MPR did in fact hammer

, he'll be facing the same questions vezo was.

Yes, I think she's scummy, but I also have a theory that you're partners making a big gambit, and I want to address that theory.

Prev. Edit: I can only vote one at a time, Tans...defensive much?

Not defensive - just frustrated that I have to take the time to answer your flailing as I have your scum buddy nailed to the wall
<SNIP>
I have a much better case on Katsuki and now Jenni (Elli is more of a gut read based on interactions between him and Katsuki)

I made one post about you, and you completely came unglued. That's defensive. There also isn't any need for you to be frustrated over one post and one vote.

[tanstalas]

You never explained it like this; it's more clear now that you use examples and names

. And the point I was originally making was you brought up the light sleepers thing again on D3, even after the idea was dismissed on D2. It struck me as odd.

Again, I need to say durp durp about your statements - do I really need to hold your hand and explain everything to you? Based on what I said could you not figure that out? Maybe you should go back to the newbie queue

I started with you tonight because I felt like it. Now that I see I've kicked a hornet's nest, I'm going to stick with it until you either convince me you're innocent or you're lynched.

If I haven't convinced you I am innocent then I never will, every post you have made I have countered. You are the one who seems to be ignoring the case on Katsuki made by everyone.

I think you're bussing her and she's bussing you in hopes we'll think you're just two town butting heads and then moving to a stronger wagon after you've made sure everyone knows you are against each other. Like now, I call you out for this behavior, and suddenly you can move away from her and onto me. I think you were going to try to maneuver the wagon to Elli earlier as you started talking about how scummy he is and how he has to be Kats' partner. (Deflecting from YOUR partner much?) I think the plan is that you bus early, and eventually you'll change your vote, lynch someone other than one another, bomb a bedroom, and then repeat.

I haven't moved away from her and on to you...? Again this goes back to there being MORE THAN ONE scum in the game. I am going to analyze whatever people say, if they come off as scummy in what they say I will attack them for it like I attacked you.

I fail to see how I "moved away" from Katsuki *checks to see where his vote still is* yup still on Katsuki

The fact that you think I would abandon my Katsuki vote for Elli at this point is laughable - you bringing that up as a point as to why you think I am scummy is even moreso.

Yes. I think you're both scum. Like I said, I started with you tonight because

I saw something in your voting patterns

and your interactions and I wanted to follow up on it. Your reaction has been quite interesting.

Yeah, the fact I always went back to Katsuki is the pattern, becuz she is scum

Yes, I think she's scummy, but I also have a theory that you're partners making a big gambit, and I want to address that theory.

I like how you are playing here, so that when/if Katsuki gets lynched and if she flips scum you can say "ooh look I was right about Katsuki - I called it, Tans is scum too lets get him"

I made one post about you, and you completely came unglued. That's defensive. There also isn't any need for you to be frustrated over one post and one vote.

You seem to think everyone is defensive in this game. Let's gander at your ISO now shall we?

In your ISO-3 Accused mongoose of being defensive for an obviously sarcastic post by mongoose. Also in this same post I see you stuck up for Vezo saying that Vezo is just being defensive - hmmm.. so calling mongoose defensive.. wonder what alignment he is..? Oh yeah! That's right, he's town! And you also defended Vezo saying he was just being Vezo.. hmmm wonder what he could be... oh wait, yeah he was scum..

And later you reiterated your "Mongoose was very defensive" bullshit:

--mongoose: My RV was on him because of no avatar, which was random, but he reacted very defensively, so I kept it there.

Lets see what he actually said shall we?

An OMGUS vote?

I noticed your lack of an avatar first.

your attacking me again?

Vote jenni

again!

Wow - yeah seriously defensive, I'm surprised he wasn't lynched right there obv-scum.. oh wait..
Also - you DO realize he only has one vote and cannot actually "Vote you again"?


Oh wow, just noticed this post by you - commenting on me..

Tans

And the only thing I can think about for "using" the roles would be to have the light sleepers claim and if we have 3 or 4 we split everyone up into those peoples rooms hoping that we put a scum in each room so even if a room gets blown up if the person wasn't in the room they were supposed to be we know they are scum. However the more I thought about it - it is a bad idea cuz even if we managed to randomly put a scum in each room and they didn't go to that room we would lose 3 townies to kill 1 scum.

Right now, scum will have a 1/10 chance to hit anyone tonight. There is a huge chance they will hit an empty room again. As the numbers dwindle (either through bombing or lynching) it will begin to get easier to work out who is who, especially since the number of open rooms will also drop. Dividing players up now would only make it easy for them to take out players they feel threatened by.

I have an uneasy feeling about the amount of lurking going on at this stage in the game.

Wow, that bolded part is very insightful...

Oh wait, what's this?

I think I'll just use random.org to figure out where to hide. There really is no strategy that I can think of. There is a 1/11 chance of not dying (well 1/10 after a lynch today - I like those odds)

Hmm, you like parroting me? I posted that over 8 hours before you posted what you did.

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh BABY.. JACKPOT!

Tanstalas or

Mongoose

or Budja...at I guessing at least

one of them is scum

. Not enough information to go on yet, but between the a) concern about meta/self-voting, b)

the (active?) lurking

and only coming out to OMGUS voting, and c) the innocuous questioning...I'm just not seeing a lot of good intentions. Vezo's intentions are also questionable...but since that IS his meta, he's harder to read.

So you were basically saying the reason you thought Mongoose was scum was because he was lurking.. ok

NOTED

But then you go on to say:

I'm still here; there just hasn't been much to add lately.

Though I will say that I've never heard of lurking being used as a scum

hunting

tool.

What, wait... didn't you JUST use it as a "scum hunting tool" you said you thought Mongoose was probably scum because one of the reasons was "The (active?) lurking" but then you said... you have never heard of it as a scumhunting tool?

And then you say:

I have an uneasy feeling about the amount of lurking going on at this stage in the game.

So, first you say mongoose is scum for lurking, then you say you haven't heard of lurking being a scumhunting tool and then after that you say you have an "uneasy feeling" about the amount of lurking? Why? You said in the post before that that it isn't used as a scumhunting tool, so why would lurking make you uneasy? Oh wait - you ALSO said in the post before that post that mongoose was scummy for lurking..

Man - it's hard to be scum isn't it? Trying to keep all these lies straight?

I hope you like rope. You are getting it after Katsuki

[tanstalas]

EBWOP: Oh and if you reply again, do us all a favor and just quote my points like I did for you, makes it easier to read

[tanstalas]

EBWOTP:

Where I said:

In your ISO-3 Accused mongoose of being defensive for an obviously sarcastic post by mongoose. Also in this same post I see you stuck up for Vezo saying that Vezo is just being

defensive

It should have read:

In your ISO-3 Accused mongoose of being defensive for an obviously sarcastic post by mongoose. Also in this same post I see you stuck up for Vezo saying that Vezo is just being

Vezo

[jenniwren]

First: MPR said he lurked in order to catch scum. Just want to clear that up.

[tanstalas]

First: MPR said he lurked in order to catch scum. Just want to clear that up.

Please quote where he said that

Thanks!

[jenniwren]

It depends on whether or not they're trying to lynch me entirely as a policy lynch. If somebody thinks that I'm playing scummily, but doesn't realize that I'm always scummy, then they're not scum based off that. If they know that I always play like this and say "Hey, who cares if he's scum? I don't want to play with him so we need to lynch him!" then I'm leaning scum for them.

It was a discussion between him and camn.

[tanstalas]

It depends on whether or not they're trying to lynch me entirely as a policy lynch. If somebody thinks that I'm playing scummily, but doesn't realize that I'm always scummy, then they're not scum based off that. If they know that I always play like this and say "Hey, who cares if he's scum? I don't want to play with him so we need to lynch him!" then I'm leaning scum for them.

It was a discussion between him and camn.

He was talking about people thinking he was scum based on his playstyle which may include lurking - however I fail to see where - and I quote:

First: MPR said he lurked in order to catch scum. Just want to clear that up.

Where did MPR ever say that he used lurking as a tactic to catch scum? He was saying that if people think he is scummy based on his playstyle and they KNOW his playstyle but try to just get rid of him by saying they don't want to play with him then he thinks they may scummy.

In other words I did not get from MPR that he INTENTIONALLY lurks/plays bad to catch scum, just if he is playing with someone that he has played with before and does know his playstyle and wants to lynch him just for that reason and that reason alone then he would lean towards that person being scum.

Either way - I see where you are coming from now, so you are in the school of thought that lurking is scummy. So I need to ask you -

Would you consider yourself to have been "lurking" in this game if viewed through the eyes of others?

[jenniwren]

Again, I need to say durp durp about your statements - do I really need to hold your hand and explain everything to you? Based on what I said could you not figure that out? Maybe you should go back to the newbie queue

No need to be a jerk? No, I didn't follow your train of thought. I like visual details; you used numbers. I can't see numbers as well as visuals.

If I haven't convinced you I am innocent then I never will, every post you have made I have countered. You are the one who seems to be ignoring the case on Katsuki made by everyone.

I didn't say she wasn't scum, but I wanted to bring attention to a theory I had about you and Kats being partners.

I haven't moved away from her and on to you...? Again this goes back to there being MORE THAN ONE scum in the game. I am going to analyze whatever people say, if they come off as scummy in what they say I will attack them for it like I attacked you.

I fail to see how I "moved away" from Katsuki *checks to see where his vote still is* yup still on Katsuki

The fact that you think I would abandon my Katsuki vote for Elli at this point is laughable - you bringing that up as a point as to why you think I am scummy is even moreso.

I had a theory, because you were starting to talk about them being partners together. I wanted to pursue that theory, so I brought it up in the thread. I didn't say you had moved your vote yet, but if my theory has merit, you would at some point. You abandoned your vote on her on D1 and voted for mongoose, and then on D2, you voted her, but it was obvious Vezo was going to be the lynch of the day, so your vote wasn't a danger to her. On D3, you both start off with the back and forth nyah-nyah again, and I read through that and then saw you start talking about Elli--and remembered that at the end of D2 you suggested them as a scum team, so I had an idea that maybe, just maybe, you were going to build an argument on him as well, and once people started voting him, you would leave Kats and go for him. When TBM said I was scum a few posts back, you said you would hop on a wagon against me, so...yeah, that's kind of where I was going.

Yeah, the fact I always went back to Katsuki is the pattern, becuz she is scum

And she says the same about you.

I like how you are playing here, so that when/if Katsuki gets lynched and if she flips scum you can say "ooh look I was right about Katsuki - I called it, Tans is scum too lets get him"

Um, no? Chances are she will be lynched today if things keep going the way they are. D3 JUST STARTED. We don't have to lynch anyone for a long time. I voted for you because I had a theory about you and Katsuki, and I wanted to discuss it. Now we're discussing it.

You seem to think everyone is defensive in this game. Let's gander at your ISO now shall we?

You completely freaked out over my post and started calling me scum. How is that not defensive? As to the ISO...it was RVS, we were trying to get discussion started, and mongoose reacted badly to an RVS vote, so I said OMGUS? And he did it again...maybe he was being sarcastic, but isn't RVS for probing reactions? Also, I wasn't the only one who commented that Vezo was being typical Vezo; he and I were in another game together at the time (still are, actually), and if you read it, you will see more of the same behaviors. Have you ever played with him?

And the only thing I can think about for "using" the roles would be to have the light sleepers claim and if we have 3 or 4 we split everyone up into those peoples rooms hoping that we put a scum in each room so even if a room gets blown up if the person wasn't in the room they were supposed to be we know they are scum. However the more I thought about it - it is a bad idea cuz even if we managed to randomly put a scum in each room and they didn't go to that room we would lose 3 townies to kill 1 scum.

Right now, scum will have a 1/10 chance to hit anyone tonight. There is a huge chance they will hit an empty room again. As the numbers dwindle (either through bombing or lynching) it will begin to get easier to work out who is who, especially since the number of open rooms will also drop. Dividing players up now would only make it easy for them to take out players they feel threatened by.

Wow, that bolded part is very insightful...

Oh wait, what's this?

I think I'll just use random.org to figure out where to hide. There really is no strategy that I can think of. There is a 1/11 chance of not dying (well 1/10 after a lynch today - I like those odds)

Hmm, you like parroting me? I posted that over 8 hours before you posted what you did.

This is the part that was important: "There is a huge chance they will hit an empty room again. As the numbers dwindle (either through bombing or lynching) it will begin to get easier to work out who is who, especially since the number of open rooms will also drop. Dividing players up now would only make it easy for them to take out players they feel threatened by." The only thing that I said that was like yours were the actual odds.

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh BABY.. JACKPOT!

So you were basically saying the reason you thought Mongoose was scum was because he was lurking.. ok

NOTED

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What, wait... didn't you JUST use it as a "scum hunting tool" you said you thought Mongoose was probably scum because one of the reasons was "The (active?) lurking" but then you said... you have never heard of it as a scumhunting tool?
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And then you say:
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So, first you say mongoose is scum for lurking, then you say you haven't heard of lurking being a scumhunting tool and then after that you say you have an "uneasy feeling" about the amount of lurking? Why? You said in the post before that that it isn't used as a scumhunting tool, so why would lurking make you uneasy? Oh wait - you ALSO said in the post before that post that mongoose was scummy for lurking..

Man - it's hard to be scum isn't it? Trying to keep all these lies straight?

I hope you like rope. You are getting it after Katsuki

I said I thought mongoose was scum for active lurking (seemed like he was only posting when someone mentioned his name); the part about the "scumhunting tool" was in response to a comment made by MPR when people were talking about his lurky playstyle...it was a sarcastic response (we've already started to address that). You misunderstood the context in which I made that comment, so the rest of your argument after that is null. I wasn't talking about lurkers not being scummy, I was talking about using the act of lurking to find scum.

[jenniwren]

As to your question about lurking: I tend to make longer posts at wider intervals rather than a steady stream of lots of little posts. Go back and look at Castlevania. Also, my school of thought is that sometimes lurking is scummy, and sometimes it isn't. I.e., Pom doesn't post much, but I don't think Pom is scum. In Castlevania, VV and LMP were pretty lurky, and guess what? Kats was very active, and guess what? It's a null tell in and of itself, but if it's part of a pattern of behavior, then there might be something to it. I.e., I misread mongoose because he was active lurking and only came out to play when we talked about him, he made some bad AtE, and made this lovely post:

I agree with katsu. No content is offered, and asks for a quicklynch which is a scum tell since the longer the day goes the more likely a scum is to be caught or make a slip.
You want a quick lynch, you got one, VOTE: katsuki

His overall behavior was scummy to me, not just the lurking.


So, back to my theory...
You reacted very similarly to this when someone voted you in Castlevania. We spent a good portion of the day sorting through that mess if I remember correctly...and you turned out to be town. Part of me wants to believe you're doing the same thing here, but the other part is telling me that you got way too angry over one vote being cast.

Also, your entire defense has been built on attacking me rather than rationally addressing anything I said. Can you tone down the hate for five minutes and make a statement that explains that I'm wrong without screaming that I'm scum for daring to question you?

[tanstalas]

Also, your entire defense has been built on attacking me rather than rationally addressing anything I said. Can you tone down the hate for five minutes and make a statement that explains that I'm wrong without screaming that I'm scum for daring to question you?

Is there any part of any of your posts that I have not addressed sufficiently?

[jenniwren]

All but one:
You brought up the light sleeper thing on D3, which is the reason I even said anything about you bringing it up on D2.

Wondering if maybe the scum all hid in the same room on N1..

Any chance a light sleeper hid in the same room as Vezok on N1? And if so - maybe you could tell us who else was in that room?

What purpose would that information serve?

[tanstalas]

I believe I mentioned that earlier?

Just going on the assumption that the mafia talk and they all go to the same room at night, if Vezok happened to go to a room that had a LS in it then the LS could tell us who (if anyone) was with Vezok that night. Now even if Vezok was with a LS N1 and other people showed up in the same room it is not guaranteed those people are also scum, but I like more information rather than less.

[tanstalas]

All but one:
You brought up the light sleeper thing on D3, which is the reason I even said anything about you bringing it up on D2.

Wondering if maybe the scum all hid in the same room on N1..

Any chance a light sleeper hid in the same room as Vezok on N1? And if so - maybe you could tell us who else was in that room?

What purpose would that information serve?

Oh wait - I mentioned it in the same post