Last Will Mafia II (Over)

[Nachomamma8]

Sorry to hear that Amished...

[Locke Lamora]

My condolences, Amished.

I think Fishy's catchup is pretty good, actually. His points about those SV wagon-hoppers hit the mark in particular. I think Chronopie's vote is weak and now that Fishy's actually defending himself and scumhunting, he's trying to get the Fishy lynch through as quick as possible.

Unvote; Vote: Chronopie

Still up for a Plum lynch. Also holycon, of course, starting to get more of a scumvibe from KMD's endless vote and NK analysis; there's a lot of data there, but I get the feeling it lacks genuine scumhunting impetus. Right now I also feel like Charlie is too annoying and frustrating to actually be playing to town's win condition. He knows it's not helping and he knows he's pissing people off, but he continues to do it.

[Fishythefish]

As ever, I'll have poor access this weekend. I'll be able to post, but not do any serious thought.

[Battousai]

Still on v/la (got about 3 more pages to finish today and a rough draft tomorrow/sat). I'm still sure Kmd is scum and I'm not as sure, but still think it is highly likely Plum is scum as well (see my scumteam call). Does anyone think there is any relationship between Plum and Kmd? Would a flip of Plum influence anyone else in deciding Kmd as scum/town?

[Charlie]

Yeah, If Plum is mafia then I think kmd is more proven town.
If Plum is town then... well not really much influence.

[Chronopie]

My condolences, Amished.

I think Fishy's catchup is pretty good, actually. His points about those SV wagon-hoppers hit the mark in particular. I think Chronopie's vote is weak and now that Fishy's actually defending himself and scumhunting, he's trying to get the Fishy lynch through as quick as possible.

Unvote; Vote: Chronopie

bahahaha. Me? Pushing a quick lynch?

You've never played with me, have you?

1) I unvote before anyone hammers, so we can hear claims etc. etc.

2) People pushing a quicklynch need to be convincing, charasmatic, etc. etc. and actually give a damn about constructing a case for everyone to see all the gory details in their full glory, thus sheep it without

just

having to take the quicklyncher's word for it. I don't do that kind of thing.

3) You're just bitter that you're in my bottom 6, aren't you?

==

Sorry to hear that Amished, my thoughts go with you.

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

Plum (5) - Ythan, esuriospiritus
Chronopie (5) - Jahudo, Locke Lamora
Fishythefish (4) - Charlie, kmd4390, Plum
Nachomamma8 (2) - Rhinox
kmd4390 (1) - Battosuai

Not Voting (6) - Amished, Fishythefish, Chronopie, holycon, nachomamma8

Amished is being replaced

[LlamaFluff]

kunkstar7 replaces Amished

[kunkstar7]

Alright so obligatory replacing in comments on current readthrough...

I started from the beginning of Day 5 to see where the current day is at, if there is anything really important from the previous days that I should check out before doing a full(ish) readthrough just say so.

The first two or so pages just seem lost, with a lot of attempted VC/NK analysis and people arguing against that. The first thing that sticks out to me is holycon's discussion with Locke.

She goes after Locke implying that he is scummy but trying to not seem too on the offensive. There is some soft-suspicion tossing at Locke/Batt/Rhinox/Ythan with:

there are constantly 4 people at the top of every townie lynch

you
bat
rhinox
yathan

doesn't that stick anyone else as weird

(Bolded for emphasis)

In which it looks like she tries imply that they are scummy without looking too overt about it.

Agh horrible prod response from Plum. Looking at the analysis of other players regarding Plum, excellent choice for lurker scum, will look into it personally. Her play following this response doesn't seem to improve either, the jump onto the Fishy wagon doesn't look good to me, more of a "jump on an alternative wagon to get away from my own" feel.

I'm not understanding Charlie's extreme insistence that animorpherv1 is scum, probably something that is from unread portions. I chalked up the mention of ani's play to just general ani play, without reading any of his stuff I can't say whether there is anything scummy there or not. Wishing Charlie would put out the reasoning about his push on Fishy/Ani, its getting ridiculous.

Fishy's catchup post(s) look good to me, his statement's echo a lot of my current sentiments, and it looks sincere.

So with that my general state is:

Scum:
Plum
Holycon

Vote: Plum

[Nachomamma8]

Kunkstar Amished DocPotter
rhinox CryMeARiver x2 votes
Ythan danakillsu x4 votes
Plum raider8169
chronopie x2 votes
Jahudo Chevre easjo682 x4 votes
Battousai Pitbunny
esuriospiritus Magua The King of Eggs
Locke Lamora Reverse Simplicity
kmd4390 x2 votes
fishythefish animorpherv1 carneybaby88
Charlie
holycon

[Ythan]

Kunk, you've maintained my Amished town read so far.

[Ythan]

Kunkstar

Amished

DocPotter

rhinox

CryMeARiver

x2 votes

Ythan

danakillsu

x4 votes

Plum

raider8169

chronopie

x2 votes

Jahudo

Chevre

easjo682

x4 votes

Battousai

Pitbunny

esuriospiritus

Magua

The King of Eggs

Locke Lamora

Reverse Simplicity

kmd4390

x2 votes

fishythefish

animorpherv1

carneybaby88

Charlie
holycon

So much easier.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, so I'm gonna try and find time tomorrow to finish the Xite part of NK analysis and see if I can draw any conclusions from it.

I have to say though, fish's idea of staying in the background is the exact opposite of mine.

[Nachomamma8]

rhinox (2){MS ---> rhinox}
Ythan (4){Diacra ---> Twomz --> Ythan
Richard ---> Ythan}
Chrono (2){Xite ---> Chrono}
Jahudo (4){EGL ---> SSBF ---> Jahudo
millar ---> SSBF ---> Jahudo}
kmd (2){SV --> kmd}

[Kmd4390]

rhinox (2){MS ---> rhinox}
Ythan (4){Diacra ---> Twomz --> Ythan
Richard ---> Ythan}
Chrono (2){Xite ---> Chrono}
Jahudo (4){EGL ---> SSBF ---> Jahudo
millar ---> SSBF ---> Jahudo}
kmd (2){SV --> kmd}

What's this?

[Kmd4390]

Oh. The votes.

K.

[Nachomamma8]

OH YEAHHHH

Vote: kmd4390

[Nachomamma8]

ISO #0: Amished-town likes to hit the ground running replacing in, and he definitely does that here. Townie points.
ISO #2: Useless posting. No reason for town to post it that I can see, but could easily see scum gaining towncred here. Scum points.
ISO #7: Reading what Elli posts? And noticing mistakes that Elli makes? Townie points.
ISO #28: Strong vote. Townie points.
ISO #45: Another strong vote. More townie points.
ISO #47: Where the hell did this Chrono vote come from? Scum points.
ISO #52: One of the better SSBF cases I've seen during the course of the game. Town points.
ISO #78: Secret scumtell.
ISO #87: Goodposting, town points.
ISO #91: "I was sure that Xite was cop". :/

[Nachomamma8]

6/4
+2
Scumminess heavily focused during later play, probably due to family stuff. Overall, town.

[Nachomamma8]

ISO #6: Good point on raider. Town points.
ISO #12: You should really read closer. Scum points.
ISO #19: You give the SV wagon lip service...
ISO #20: ...then pull our before the last big push of momentum. Scum points.
ISO #32: Good response. Town points.
ISO #40-#47: VOTEHOPPING GALORE OH BABY! Scum points.
ISO #49: Crying about the fast lynch but not actually calling anyone out. Scum points.
ISO #50: Sounds like Rhinox has a bit of inside knowledge that Ythan and Richard are town, and is thus hanging off their wagons... Scum points.
ISO #72: I gotta say that I hate it when people make a list of about 6 people and says that they're okay with lynching everyone else. If Rhinox flips scum though, I'll be pretty confident in Amished-town. I don't think that Rhinox-scum would throw a huge red flag over his partner's head like that. Scum points.
ISO #73: This vote doesn't surprise me, which is a good thing. Town points.
ISO #76: I haven't really seen solid reads from Rhinox in a while. Yeah, they suck, but they're still reads. Town points.

[Ythan]

Could you say in each of these posts who you're talking about? Somewhere more obvious so I don't have to read through to figure out who and again to get it.

[Nachomamma8]

4/6
-2
Recipient of MSH's vote, which means major town points for the Rhino. but a glance through ISO suggests more likely scum than more likely town. So I guess the question is: who's reads do I trust more? Micheal's or mine? Overall, leaning scum.

[Nachomamma8]

ISO #57 and #58 are talking about Kunstar (formerly Amished), and #58 and #59 are talking about Rhinox. And yeah, I'll label them more clearly now JUST FOR YOU.

[Ythan]

It just seems like you're talking to yourself here with no concern for who can make sense of it.

[Nachomamma8]

At this point? Yes.