Mini 1063 - Pointlessville (Game Over!)

[StrangerCoug]

The claim is believable, but I'm with charter here—Parama should not have posted his speculation about the entire setup, which may have helped Kitoari if he's scum. I'm willing to go CommieX over Seol if Kitoari isn't scum, though.

[Parama]

Why CommieX (who has been V/LA) over Seol (who didn't do anything D1 and called the scumhunting going on "noise")?

[Kitoari]

Wait, how did I miss this?

2 Mafia Goons
1 Investigation-Immune Mafia Godfather
1 Town Vig
1 Town Bodyguard
1 Cop
6 Vanilla Townies

Give me one possible way this could help town.

I mean honestly.

[Parama]

Do I need to? I mean really I was just bored <_< Let's see if scum are actually dumb enough to try and fakeclaim one of those roles.

[charter]

We should probably put a pause on talking whilst massclaim is going on.

Seol is up.

[StrangerCoug]

Why CommieX (who has been V/LA) over Seol (who didn't do anything D1 and called the scumhunting going on "noise")?

I was inclined to believe that CommieX was lurking since it was brought up in a negative light that he wasn't posting, while Seol didn't stand out to me.

[KageLord]

Quick note: CommieX hasn't posted other than confirmation, RVS, and saying he would be V/LA until yesterday. Wingless just came back today after not posting since RVS, but only said he needs to reread and needs a new avatar.

Both of these people need to post something constructive soon.

Anyway, on with the massclaim, I guess.

[KageLord]

And where did cruelty go? I want his opinions too, since I liked him while he was here before, even though his vote was on me.

[cruelty]

i'm here, i live in new zealand so i'm on at weird times.

that said i'm running really late for work, am down with whatever for claims, will be back in a few hours.

[Seol]

OK, this game is

fast

, I wasn't expecting that. We're massclaiming? OK. I'm vanilla. I need to read all of this, thoughts will follow shortly - not necessarily tonight, it's late now, but if not tonight then before noon GMT tomorrow.

[KageLord]

Let's just skip ahead to SC, charter, and Parama and put the others after. It may take quite a while if we sit and wait for Commie and Wingless to show.

[Parama]

No, let's just skip ahead to CommieX and continue down the list from there.

[charter]

Yeah, the whole point of having an order isn't to expedite the process, it's to discourage fakeclaims.

[CommieX]

Replace me out of this game. I don't have time right now to try catching up. Sorry.

[Parama]

At least claim before leaving.

[Moospiker]

nopointinactingup replaces CommieX, and as a result is also awesome.

[nopointinactingup]

Reading the game and laughing at the scums' awkwardness.
StrangerCoug is obviously the last scum
1> Soft-defends obv scum DP and Vibe.
2> Reconciliatory tone.
3> Ambivalent behavior.

Vote:StrangerCoug

I'm VT.

[cruelty]

i'm VT.

happy to vote SC at the moment.

The claim is believable,

but I'm with charter here—Parama should not have

posted his speculation about the entire setup, which may have helped Kitoari if he's scum. I'm willing to go CommieX over Seol if Kitoari isn't scum, though.

trying to create conflict between the bash brothers??

Oh by the way, I am 99% sure the last scum is a bulletproof GF. It's the only way to balance out a 2-goon setup with a vig.

no problems with what you're saying. not entirely down with absolutes (or even 99%s), though. let's not limit ourselves to the assumption that there's a godfather out there.



- kitoari's claim is fun; it's convenient and entirely unprovable. that said, i'm not prepared to lynch a claimed doc on day 2, so i guess this falls more under umbrella of observation rather than declaration of suspicion.



@parama & charter, why are you both voting a claimed doc? you've both posted since his claim.

[Parama]

Reading the game and laughing at the scums' awkwardness.
StrangerCoug is obviously the last scum
1> Soft-defends obv scum DP and Vibe.
2> Reconciliatory tone.
3> Ambivalent behavior.

Vote:StrangerCoug

I'm VT.

Didja pay attention to Seol or Kitoari?

Anywho I'll claim now. VT.

[Wingless]

And the world ends when the first L-4 comes into effect *roll*

You're worried about an L-4!?

UNVOTE: Kitoari
VOTE: ZazieR

For the time being Parama vs. VibeBox looks town vs. town to me. DavidParker comes off a bit funny to me suggesting that Mafia would do a non-RVS bus on page 2, but his suggestion doesn't scream scum to me, and he does explain himself.

I reread 3 pages so far, and there StrangerCoug obviously tries to save his 2 scum buddy. I am voting he now, but I think I am going to reread the whole topic.

VOTE: StrangerCoug

[Wingless]

Parama is really sure of himself. Not really sure whether arrogance indicates an alignment, buuuuut it still doesn't sit right with me.

He wrote this after Parama's attacks on Vibe and David. He's suspicious to me, but if we have a vig, we'll be able to kill these 2 guys before next day. At the moment, StrangerCoug seems to be the most scummy.

[Wingless]

UNVOTE: VibeBox
VOTE: DavidParker

Start accompanying your scum reads with cases. You can't just throw names left and right.

SC voted Vibe. Than Charter voted to DavidParker. It seems to me like bussing. He knew who to bus, and changed his vote because David was the most likely person to be lynched that day.

[Seol]

This game is too fast for me. I typically post once or twice per day, and not at weekends for the time being (home internet is down - need to go into uni to play). I basically missed all of yesterday. I'll keep up as best I can though.

I'm going to stand by my read yesterday at the time I made it: too much shouting too early based on small tells is usually over-aggressive VI meltdown induction rather than scumhunting. Parama's arguments against Vibebox are, even in retrospect, more a case of getting lucky than a compelling case, and DP melted down pretty much spontaneously. Vibe became obvscum when it became apparent that DP was scum, both because of DP's reactions and Vibe's refusal to hammer.

I'm wary about Parama, because he's

too

confident and in control. Could be that he knows too much - running a hugely ambitious double-bus gambit (although I think that's very unlikely), more likely that he's just being cocky. The setup talk on page 8 is part of this - we almost certainly can't redux from here, so we'll have to be careful. I'm a little concerned by this:

Oh by the way, I am 99% sure the last scum is a

bulletproof GF

. It's the only way to balance out a 2-goon setup with a vig.

I feel like taking a shot at the setup right now. Reference this for endgame.

2 Mafia Goons
1

Investigation-Immune Mafia Godfather

1 Town Vig
1 Town Bodyguard
1 Cop
6 Vanilla Townies

Which means MC won't hurt the town

because the only PR who can do anything at this point is the likely BG

. Unless vig shoots someone and they don't die. Which means they're probably that

BP GF

.

Green sections are only compatible with investigation immune GF, blue sections are only compatible with bulletproof GF. This looks like an inconsistency in thought process to me, particularly the last quote where both (mutually exclusive) ideas are argued back-to-back.

Parama, am I misreading that?

I'm also concerned with Parama's pressuring for early massclaim, arguing for speedlynches, and directing the vig as if he were not only cleared but also infallible. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but that's what concerns me most at this point.

[Parama]

Forgot to add the BP part to the speculation. The second blue'd thing also says the vig is worthless because of unkillable GF.
Seol, I will play arrogantly. You just need to learn to deal with it. When I'm on fire it's best to let me do my thing, ok?

[nopointinactingup]

Didja pay attention to Seol or Kitoari?

Anywho I'll claim now. VT.

Nah, SC stands out the most.

I'm wary about Parama, because he's

too

confident and in control. Could be that he knows too much - running a hugely ambitious double-bus gambit (although I think that's very unlikely), more likely that he's just being cocky.

I'm also concerned with Parama's pressuring for early massclaim, arguing for speedlynches, and directing the vig as if he were not only cleared but also infallible. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but that's what concerns me most at this point.

I also took into account this possibility also when I read the thread. However, it is quite a stretch and should only be taken into consideration if we don't have scum flip in the next 2 or 3 lynches.

Kitoari's Doc claim is quite suspicious because of 2 goons and a Vig flip so far. He could be reviewed on the off chance that SC flips town. And no I don't think there could be a BP-GF role =).