Open 257 - SCIENCE! (game over, scum wins!)

[Muffin]

Vote count

gandalf5166 -
Crazy [1] - Far_Cry
drmyshottyizsik [2] - Thor665, gandalf5166
Far_Cry [1] - drmyshottyizsik
andrew94 -
edmund.angles -
Thor665 -

Not voting: andrew94, edmund.angles, crazy

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch. Note that I didn't count andrew's vote for shotty since the day had not started.

[Thor665]

firstly, does my vote on dr count?
if yes then hes at L1 now.

finally, edmund seems preticularly scummy

Oh dear gawd!

Unvote: drmyshottyizsik
Vote: andrew94

If you are unhappy with your shotty vote then unvote, if you're happy with it then revote to make sure it counts. Welcome to middle-of-the-roadville; population, you.

Also, backhand swat at edmund for being "scummy" with no explanation why and no vote. Makes zero sense.

I wanted to know if your attitude in this game reflected your general opinion, or if you were unprecedently gunning for a quicklynch here. I already thought your policy lynch idea was bad; I just didn't know if it was scummy yet.

Conclusions?

Do you guys want to lynch him as a punishment for his past behavior, or are you actually trying to win this game? I'll be happy to lynch him if he acts scummy, but you guys are playing stupidly.

If we're playing stupidly then why don't you pick up a banner and lead the charge in a direction you approve of? Or, y'know, you could sit there and call people stupid and just ask questions without taking any particular direction of your own - whichever works for you.

I'll again note - policy or no there's a 1/3 percent chance I'm right from your perspective - what's so "stupid" about that when it also gets a VI?
Do you find shotty town thus far? Why/why not?

[andrew94]

unvote

- just a random vote.

@ Thor: Why couldn't you just wait for shotty to do something scummy before proposing the lynch?

@ everyone: If we have a VI then be extra careful about putting someone at L-1.

because of this post, i say he seem suspicious

vote edmun.angles

also, my vote wasnt even on drmyshotty

[andrew94]

o yea reasons = cos he said 'JUST a random vote'

and etc fluff stuff.

[drmyshottyizsik]

unvote

- just a random vote.

@ Thor: Why couldn't you just wait for shotty to do something scummy before proposing the lynch?

@ everyone: If we have a VI then be extra careful about putting someone at L-1.

because of this post, i say he seem suspicious

vote edmun.angles

also, my vote wasnt even on drmyshotty

Why andrew why? do not say something unless you have a reason for it. How is that suspicious? at all? Please keep the WIFOM and dumbness to a minimum here. Also @andrew- why did you bring up you voting me if you didn't? You are really confusing sir

[Thor665]

I'd still be down to lynch shotty, of course - reasons will continue to become more apparent as the Day progresses.

[Crazy]

Conclusions?

You didn't get my implication there? XD I meant what you're doing is scummy since you haven't shown how what you're doing is precedented according to your meta.

If we're playing stupidly then why don't you pick up a banner and lead the charge in a direction you approve of? Or, y'know, you could sit there and call people stupid and just ask questions without taking any particular direction of your own - whichever works for you.

I'll again note - policy or no there's a 1/3 percent chance I'm right from your perspective - what's so "stupid" about that when it also gets a VI?
Do you find shotty town thus far? Why/why not?

I'm trying to start discussion here, instead of just saying "OMG LYNCH THE VI!" Policy lynching is either stupid or scummy; as for you, you seem like you should know better, so I'm thinking more "scummy".

As for Shotty, he hasn't said anything yet that tilts me either way on him. You mentioned a 1/3 chance of hitting scum, we can do better than that if we

actually scumhunt

. Plus, even if we ended up lynching Shotty today, we'd at least get more information from competing bandwagons/etc. rather than just policy lynching him right now.

[andrew94]

i have a freaking reason,.
learn to read

[Thor665]

@Crazy - Post #54 - thoughts?

[drmyshottyizsik]

i have a freaking reason,.
learn to read

no you state IIoA, please give the A on your O

[drmyshottyizsik]

ebwop A on your I

[Crazy]

Shotty, you realize Andrew named his reason in a later post, right?

[gandalf5166]

Note my sig, not liking andrew. I've seen his scum play before, and it's always chock-full of cognitive dissonance.

[edmund.angles]

@ Thor: The reason you should have waited with advocating shotty's lynch untill he (possibly) did something scummy is this:
If a policy lynch goes through, the day ends with very little discussion. And if you're sure he's gonna incriminate himself, why not try a see some reactions from other players?

@Thor and Gandalf: Could you please provide specific examples of VI play from shotty (game, page). I am not gonna read through his entire back-log and what I have looked at did not scream VI to me.

@ Gandalf: Have you seen Andrew's town game as well as scum game? Because otherwise your meta on him is useless.

@Andrew: I don't understand your beef with my random vote/unvote:

o yea reasons = cos he said 'JUST a random vote'

and etc fluff stuff.

What do you mean? You are being as clear as mud.

[Thor665]

@edmund - psssh about the shotty meta, if you want to restart that wagon you can go find it yourself. Vote andrew.

@Crazy - my question in #58 was brilliant and applicable, why didn't you respond?

[edmund.angles]

@ Thor: I have no desire to restart the shotty wagon- I want you to justify arguing for a policy lynch.

[Thor665]

@edmund - buh? Whatever Town - self hammered - lylo. VI player. Now go vote Andrew.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@ Everyone I have limitted access for this week to... me and Gand got in some trouble together...
Also about my self hammer. THAT WAS DUMB AND I WAS ON HYDRO CODON!!
@CRAZY- yess i realize he post "reasons". but like I said, they are just IIoA.

[Crazy]

@Crazy - my question in #58 was brilliant and applicable, why didn't you respond?

I did ask Shotty a question in regards to that post; I just didn't quote the post where you told me to look at it.

@CRAZY- yess i realize he post "reasons". but like I said, they are just IIoA.

I don't think IIoA means what you think it does. Are you just throwing out a random scum-tell and hoping it applies?

@ Thor: The reason you should have waited with advocating shotty's lynch untill he (possibly) did something scummy is this:
If a policy lynch goes through, the day ends with very little discussion. And if you're sure he's gonna incriminate himself, why not try a see some reactions from other players?

This is correct, of course. I should have made that argument, but I forgot.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Information instead of analysis, it kind of speaks for its self

o yea reasons = cos he said 'JUST a random vote'

and etc fluff stuff.

He said his reason was because someone random voted in a RVS, that is information. No analysis there at all

[Thor665]

I did ask Shotty a question in regards to that post; I just didn't quote the post where you told me to look at it.

You also didn't answer the question either.
But I'll accept this as an "I'm looking into it and will offer my opinions once I have more information"
I'll ask again later.

I think Crazy is now my #2 after andrew.

@shotty - that's not IIoA, that's making a vote without a lot of support which is the definition of what RVS is.
You being on drugs is not a valid rebuttal of VIness unless you will never post again while under the influence of anything that will affect your thought process.
Why aren't you voting andrew if you find him scummy for things?

[andrew94]

unvote

- just a random vote.

@ Thor: Why couldn't you just wait for shotty to do something scummy before proposing the lynch?

@ everyone: If we have a VI then be extra careful about putting someone at L-1.

his first sentence attempts to justify himself, which fails

his second is defending his scum body

err wtf?

[Thor665]

Why do you see edmund/shotty as the team?

[andrew94]

cos edmund unvote shotty when shotty appeared to be at L1 saying 'just random vote'
i see other scum do that

[drmyshottyizsik]

in an RVS andrew the last thing you want is a quick mislynch... duh.
@ thor, sorry I thought of it as IIoA, but still he doesn't give real reason, and then he persists to say he has.