Mini 1049 - Hide and Seek Mafia - FINAL Kablooie!

[camn]

Please replace out.

[MehPlusRawr]

I'd be posting more but meh, this game....

[TheButtonmen]

I hate so many of you.

This game would end faster if you would all vote Far_cry.

[camn]

I have.

I also support a MPR or Katsuki lynch.

Lets kill.

[tanstalas]

I hate so many of you.

This game would end faster if you would all vote Far_cry.

I better not be one of those

You are within 24 hours driving distance of me

[jenniwren]

Thoughts:

TBM's case on FC seems pretty solid, and FC's defense is...not good.

However, I question how quickly camn seemed to change her mind about pushing the Kats wagon--and that when she unvoted Kats and voted FC, she told Kats to play better tomorrow. That sounds like camn thinks Kats is town and can redeem herself? I'm confused now.

Posts 491-495 are...suspicious. MBF has good feelings about 3 people, but his vote is one of them. TBM calls him out, so he unvotes. TBM tells him to vote for FC or explain why he isn't, so MBF votes, but calls attention to the fact that the case isn't going anywhere right now. The whole exchange reeks of fence-sitting and maybe even a reluctant bus vote. Why does MBF only have good feelings about three people? Why list them instead of his top scum reads? Why waffle over voting and vote for FC only when coaxed?

Some of the wishy-washiest comments:

I suppose I should, since he's the best case I've seen so far. It won't make a difference however, if others continue to ignore it.

I read it, and while I don't agree with a few things at the end, I agree with most things. It is a good case that others need to comment on, because it definitely holds merit. I also think his countering of said case contains little that would actually redeem him.

Unvote

Thinking through some of this. If FC is scum, then I'm thinking MBF is his buddy, based on 491-495 (also based on FC's opening comments to him which could have been distancing). However, if FC is town, then TBM and camn should be looked at because of the timing of the case and camn's wagon-hopping (moreso the comments to Kats to play better).

I'm not completely sold yet, but at least a FC lynch would perhaps yield some useful info as to which direction we should look next. Will vote soon.

[mikeburnfire]

I don't like being called wishy-washy. Some of us don't know everything,

jenniscum

, and as a townsperson I have the right to be uncertain.

I also don't like how you ask questions passively instead of directly. I'm right here, ya know? I had suspicions on Tantalas, but upon review I decided that they weren't very strong; I had forgotten I was voting him. There's nothing wrong with me pointing out that the FC wagon wasn't going anywhere in an effort to draw attention to it. There's no reason for me to have good feelings about more than three players given the current situation. And there's no mandate to vote somebody if I don't feel like it.

[jenniwren]

I don't like being called wishy-washy. Some of us don't know everything,

jenniscum

, and as a townsperson I have the right to be uncertain.

I also don't like how you ask questions passively instead of directly. I'm right here, ya know? I had suspicions on Tantalas, but upon review I decided that they weren't very strong; I had forgotten I was voting him. There's nothing wrong with me pointing out that the FC wagon wasn't going anywhere in an effort to draw attention to it. There's no reason for me to have good feelings about more than three players given the current situation. And there's no mandate to vote somebody if I don't feel like it.

As a townsperson, I have a right and a duty to ask questions when I think someone is suspicious. Sorry I didn't ask you directly; I'm trying to catch up on all my games and am writing my thoughts as notes.

There might not be anything wrong with anything you're doing, but I'm questioning the intentions behind what you're doing.

Your reaction to my questions is pretty hostile. Why is that?

[mikeburnfire]

I don't think it was hostile. Well, maybe the first part, when I was responding to the insult. But the second part was me answering your rhetorical questions.

[Far_Cry]

Mod

: I need to be replaced. I've been getting busy as of late and don't have time to play.

[TheButtonmen]

Lynch him and save the time spent waiting around for him to be replaced and save the replacement the trouble of catching up only to be lynched.

[tanstalas]

If DMSIS is replaced for either of those people...

[TheButtonmen]

You know what's cool? Content.

[camn]

Jenni: if you would read my posts, you wouldn't be confused about what I say.
Now, let's all put our vote where our mouths are and get to lynching!

[mikeburnfire]

I'm already voting FarCry. Everyone else needs to do their part.

[DrippingGoofball]

Mod

: I need to be replaced. I've been getting busy as of late and don't have time to play.

Replacement sought!

[DrippingGoofball]

nopointinactingup replaces Far_cry immediately! Thank you.

[nopointinactingup]

Checking in. I'm starting to read the thread and will post soon so hold your hoses.

[nopointinactingup]

Katsuki #238

Eh?

Either I am misreading a lot of stuff, or you need to explain to me better, since I am not really getting what you are saying.
Though, my personal sleepiness may be a factor.

Informed, organized town is definitely a threat

. I guess easiest would be to explain, how talking about night actions would be in any way helpful in "organizing" the town.

p.s. Role PM for mafia says you and your buddies x, y, and z. 4 mafia in this setup would be quite extreme though I suppose. and how is this mountainous?

Camn #239

Katsu is town, guys. Just like I said.

Now where is vezo? Has he even bothered to post?

How could everyone have missed this scumslip? And Camn made really nice deflection. Note that Katsuki and Camn were conversing, as if they would be in a scum quicktopic.

Remaining scums are Katsuki + Camn.

Vote:Katsuki

GG scum.
Why?
1> Camn's inconsistency when addressing Katsuki and the impeccable timing of those inconsistencies.
a> At game beginning, Camn distanced hard, called Katsuki scum, the ideal strategy for scum to act on a Mountainous Set-Up.
b> After scumbuddy Vezo got lynched for his idiocy, Camn awkwardly retake his position to avoid another buddy's death.
2> Katsuki's scumslip.
3> Other small notes:
+ #111

Oh, forgot.

Tans
Camn
Vezok

Perfect list here, putting his partners just behind his number 1 lynch preference.
+ Day 2 gloatings of Vezo when he's about to get lynched and after he's lynched.
+

I love the camn flipflopping. First me obvtown, now me scum, to somewhere in between.

I really am still not sure about camn. Head says town, gut says scum.

Don't want to commit though he supposedly is suspicious of Camn's flipflop --> Suspicion as means of distancing.

I'm sold.

unvote
Vote Far_Cry

Play better tomorrow, kats.
For everyone.
For yourself.

The "I've given up, please lynch me" attitude sucks, btw. Replace out if you can't keep your heart in the game.

Ever delightful for an alternative wagon while afraid of his partner's incompetence.
Case ends.

As for TBM's case:

Sorry for the delay and the terrible formatting, I'm having to reread a whole game at the moment so it's cutting into my mafia time for the tonight / tommorrow.

In a chronological and some what PBPA style here's why I think Far cry is the lynch o' the day.

1

This post seems to be distancing, though Vezo's idea was bad it seemed like he jumped on too quickly.

2

Then he proceeds to defend Vezo as a VI, which is strange given his previous entry to Vezo wagon based on Vezo making a bad suggestion.

3

He then unvotes for no real reason.

4

And then starts the mongoose wagon, note while he recognized and defended Vezo as VI he doesn't see mongoose as a VI.

Budja is replaced.

5

His response to Mike replacing in is odd because as he later explains.

6

In his other game with Mike, Mike was the best town. Which makes his "OH SHIT" really weird

7

MBF is then the target of the NK.

8

When giving his list of reads he uses reasoning like "Your town because you haven't done anything scummy yet" which to me sound like "I can't find anything to attack you with" and he is again certain that Vezo is scum.

9

When Elli pressures Vezo, Far Cry coaches him.

When the whole Kats vs Tants fight happens he attacks Kats but never puts down a vote, in fact during all this he isn't voting anyone.

10

He then latches onto Ellis idea of a lurker lynch despite been quite confident that Kats is qutie scummy. Note he had also just previously been attacking Elli too.

And then there is this little bit; watch him wiffle waffle to what ever is popular.

11

Compare THIS post and THIS post made latter.

1> There's no such thing as jump too quickly. If it's bad, Budja would jump into it that's all.
2> Strange indeed. But perhaps he realized VIs make bad suggestions so Vezo was not necessarily scum.
3> Hence his thought process.
4> This can be attributed to Budja's experience with Vezo and non-experience with mongoose.
5,6> He's more likely to retort such comment as town because scum mentality really prevents you from being so overt about your real feelings.
7> It's Mike's room, not him.
8> I've seen multiple people having town reads from people "they haven't found anything scummy about".
9> I can hardly call that coaching.
10> He said he didn't find the lurker scummy. I think he wanted more opinions.
11> Your point?

TBM, I do think you are town. But my case is much better than yours, vote Katsuki and win this game for us.

[MehPlusRawr]

Katsu+Camn is an idea I hadn't thought of. I was thinking camnscum, and thought that would imply katsutown.

I'd rather lynch camn first.

[camn]

I'd like to see you try.

[camn]

OMG... is that another vote on Katsu?!

This should make it L-1 then.
My case remains as before, but add: dropped out of the game without requesting replacement.
Or, in summary, too anti-town to be town.

Somone hammer, please please please.

UNVOTE
VOTE KATSUKI

Plus I like the replacements post.
It is off base re: me, but nobody is perfect.

[mikeburnfire]

I'm going to

unvote

, as I think Nopoint is doing a better job than Far Cry did. I'm not really motivated about lynching Katsuki --if I did it now it would be more to avoid waiting on a replacement-- because I don't really see the case. The above case by NoPoint seems to revolve mostly around Katsuki being linked with camn, whom I believe to be town.

[Katsuki]

nopoint, you took that post of mine entirely out of context... I am in class now, but go look at the entirety of the conversation, not just one post...

Since god knows when I'll post next, I am a

Town Heavy Sleeper

. No surprise I haven't bothered staying in my room.

[Ellibereth]

Katsu claim hide locations plz.