Mini 1049 - Hide and Seek Mafia - FINAL Kablooie!

[TheButtonmen]

Catching up...

I lied, will have to do this tomorrow night. >.>

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN BUSY.
JUST
LIKE
YOU
HAVE
BEEN.

My activity should be back to normal in a day or two...

WAY TO BE USEFUL ELLI.

[TheButtonmen]

Also Happy Bday

@Mod

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[jenniwren]

Mike: I didn't mean to insult you; I was pursuing a thought.
camn: I was reading your posts, which is why what you said to Kats about playing better tomorrow struck me as funny.
MPR: Why camn over Katsu?
NPIAU/TBM: coming back to you guys, it's dinnertime.

[Pomegranate]

I love the camn flipflopping. First me obvtown, now me scum, to somewhere in between.

I really am still not sure about camn. Head says town, gut says scum.

Don't want to commit though he supposedly is suspicious of Camn's flipflop --> Suspicion as means of distancing.

I feel like it's a Pot, Kettle, Black, Etc., situation here. Katsuki is scummy (to you) for for having week suspicious of Camn, but you have week and uncommitted of him for it- couldn't I say that I see you and Katsuki linked in this way?

Also, I don't like the Camn "slip" you found- I don't feel like it proves anything.

However, I still dislike Katsuki's play, and I'm going to keep my vote on him for the sake of the wagon, and where it's going right now.

[camn]

Look.. If I Katsu and I were scum, that would mean I have been pounding away at her all game, AND I relentlessly bussed our OTHER partner right out of the gate Day 2.

Now, I wouldn't put that past me as scum, but all WIFOM aside... that would be stupid.

Lets Lynch Kats and find out, though, no?

Just to clear one thing some CONFUSION first:

.......that when [camn] unvoted Kats and voted FC, she told Kats to play better tomorrow. That sounds like camn thinks Kats is town and can redeem herself? I'm confused now. ..........

Here are some quotes from me re: Kats.

(I fixed a couple pronouns for gender agreement)

I think Katsu is a filthy lurker, but town..
She has been skating by, posting absolutely nothing.

I am glad my harsh words regarding your activity level spurred you to try and contribute to this game.

Katsu is town, guys.

@ katsu...just keep rereading post 237 until you can understand it.
Then you will start to realize how to be a better townie.

Now this one is important, Jenni... attend to it:

Katsu- Although I did think you were town, I now have two very pressing lines of inquiry to take up with you. I expect your attention on both, until I am satisfied. If you deflect or ignore, I will see you lynched. Believe it.

Did that make sense? Maybe read it again.

Now, given that I could be WRONG with my town reads, from this point on I open up the possibility/likelihood of kats-scum.

I think Katsu is combative, inconsistent, and unable to play a pro-town game.

We could pray for a hypo-town Katsu to be randomly killed.

...unless she can answer my questions about MBR and the veso wagon, she is either scum or a liability. And I play games to win. That means eliminating liabilities.

Katsuki cannot be relied on for logical thinking when it comes to pro-town goals.
Why?

Her being scum is certainly one explanation.
And NO explanation makes her an asset to this town.

I, for one, would LOVE it if you would start acting like a townie.. But you persist in acting like scum.

I also support a MPR or Katsuki lynch.

Lets kill.

----

Now, Jenni.. I will try and set my bitchiness aside for a while. (its been a frustrating month!)
So, honestly... are you still confused?

(were you ever? maybe that was a passive-aggressive scum-chainsaw?)

Do you have any questions as to why I want Katsu Lynched?
Does anyone? i think I have been clear.. but I welcome questions.

[tanstalas]

Look.. If I Katsu and I were scum, that would mean I have been pounding away at her all game

My mind went straight to the gutter after that opening sentence...

Anyhow, in all seriousness. I am starting to doubt if Katsu is scum, however, her play this game is terrible at best and I would like to see her lynched just for that. The lying, the voting people with nothing to back it up, the (apparent to me) buddying and bussing, etc.

I think either way she flips will give us information that will be helpful to the town.

I can't tell you the reasons why I think she may be town because that would involve discussing ongoing games

[tanstalas]

And yes, Happy Birthday DGB

[jenniwren]

Now, Jenni.. I will try and set my bitchiness aside for a while. (its been a frustrating month!)
So, honestly... are you still confused?

(were you ever? maybe that was a passive-aggressive scum-chainsaw?)

Do you have any questions as to why I want Katsu Lynched?
Does anyone? i think I have been clear.. but I welcome questions.

Nope, not confused anymore. (And I was confused because I had just gleaned that you thought she was scum and that was stuck in my head, so I was curious about why you would leave off voting her for FC and tell her to lay better.) (I am kind of scattered right now, between the games and working on my dissertation, and I didn't get much sleep this weekend.)

That being said, I don't buy NPIAU's theory of a Kats/camn team At ALL. I briefly entertained the idea of a camn/someone team, but she has rebutted that idea into the cold dead ground.



Also, Happy Birthday DGB.

(October 5th is the most popular birthday, by the way. New Year's babies!)

[Ellibereth]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DGB!!!
I thought you were Hoops for a while and got all confused.

KATSU, I SEE YOU'R THERE.

[nopointinactingup]

nopoint, you took that post of mine entirely out of context... I am in class now, but go look at the entirety of the conversation, not just one post...

Since god knows when I'll post next, I am a

Town Heavy Sleeper

. No surprise I haven't bothered staying in my room.

Still waiting for this.

I love the camn flipflopping. First me obvtown, now me scum, to somewhere in between.

I really am still not sure about camn. Head says town, gut says scum.

Don't want to commit though he supposedly is suspicious of Camn's flipflop --> Suspicion as means of distancing.

I feel like it's a Pot, Kettle, Black, Etc., situation here. Katsuki is scummy (to you) for for having week suspicious of Camn, but you have week and uncommitted of him for it- couldn't I say that I see you and Katsuki linked in this way?

Also, I don't like the Camn "slip" you found- I don't feel like it proves anything.

However, I still dislike Katsuki's play, and I'm going to keep my vote on him for the sake of the wagon, and where it's going right now.

I have week and uncommited of him? The slip I provided might not provide anything by itself. But it coupled with the fact that Kat and Camn were spam conversing is noteworthy.

Response in Bold

Look.. If I Katsu and I were scum, that would mean I have been pounding away at her all game, AND I relentlessly bussed our OTHER partner right out of the gate Day 2.

That's the ideal strategy for scum to act on a Mountainous with no Investigative roles. You pound on your partners right at the beginning and earn reliable town cred. There's nothing to loose for you to be one of the 1st on your partner's wagon at that point. If it's a lynch, you become townish, if it's not you just silently follow other wagons like the mongoose wagon.

Now, I wouldn't put that past me as scum, but all WIFOM aside... that would be stupid.

Lets Lynch Kats and find out, though, no?

Just to clear one thing some CONFUSION first:

.......that when [camn] unvoted Kats and voted FC, she told Kats to play better tomorrow. That sounds like camn thinks Kats is town and can redeem herself? I'm confused now. ..........

Here are some quotes from me re: Kats.

(I fixed a couple pronouns for gender agreement)

Added timeline:
- Camn wanted to policy lynch Kats
- Camn backed down to the mongoose wagon.
- Camn started the Vezo wagon, calling Kats town

I think Katsu is a filthy lurker, but town..
She has been skating by, posting absolutely nothing.

I am glad my harsh words regarding your activity level spurred you to try and contribute to this game.

Katsu is town, guys.

@ katsu...just keep rereading post 237 until you can understand it.
Then you will start to realize how to be a better townie.

Now this one is important, Jenni... attend to it:

Katsu- Although I did think you were town, I now have two very pressing lines of inquiry to take up with you. I expect your attention on both, until I am satisfied. If you deflect or ignore, I will see you lynched. Believe it.

Did that make sense? Maybe read it again.

Now, given that I could be WRONG with my town reads, from this point on I open up the possibility/likelihood of kats-scum.

- Camn Votes Katsuki

I think Katsu is combative, inconsistent, and unable to play a pro-town game.

We could pray for a hypo-town Katsu to be randomly killed.

...unless she can answer my questions about MBR and the veso wagon, she is either scum or a liability. And I play games to win. That means eliminating liabilities.

Katsuki cannot be relied on for logical thinking when it comes to pro-town goals.
Why?

Her being scum is certainly one explanation.
And NO explanation makes her an asset to this town.

I, for one, would LOVE it if you would start acting like a townie.. But you persist in acting like scum.

I also support a MPR or Katsuki lynch.

Lets kill.

----

Now, Jenni.. I will try and set my bitchiness aside for a while. (its been a frustrating month!)
So, honestly... are you still confused?

(were you ever? maybe that was a passive-aggressive scum-chainsaw?)

Do you have any questions as to why I want Katsu Lynched?
Does anyone? i think I have been clear.. but I welcome questions.

Your response may bear some validity but it is missing some of very crucial discrepancies:
Why did you change your opinion of Katsuki for no reason immediately after the Vezo wagon was inevitable?
Why did you vote Katsuki before realizing he's scum?

@Elli: Any REAL thoughts?

[Ellibereth]

no...not really :/

[camn]

I started the vezo wagon, my friend. And, as I just painfully illustrated, my opinion on Katsu has changed very little this game.
If you want to contest otherwise, I suggest you cite it. Quotes and post numbers would be good.

And don't be wrong. 'building a crapcase on camn' is developing into an established site scumtell...

Re: your second: because she is a liability AT BEST, which makes her a good wagon to get rolling.
Her being scum would just be gravy.

[nopointinactingup]

I stated that you started the Vezo wagon, my friend. Not that it would change anything. Answer my questions.

[camn]

I'm telling you:
I didn't change my opinion in a meaningful way.
Show me where I did.

Also, when did you Say i started the Veso wagon? All I can find is your implication that his lynch was something I didnt totally support.....here: (not that this quote makes much sense)

b> After scumbuddy Vezo got lynched for his idiocy, Camn awkwardly retake his position to avoid another buddy's death.

Please start talking about the same game as us.

Actually, my mid-week drunkenness aside, your misrep here deserves more heat.

UNVOTE
VOTE: noppintinactingup

Until you either show me evidence or admit you mid-read something, I have to assume you are intentionally trying to deceive us, in a desperate attempt to save your partner from death, and/or mislynch camn.

And be advised: if Katsu gets another vote, I will hammer.
Almost immediately.
My hate there is unabated.

[TheButtonmen]

This day needs to end.

Vote: Kat.

Still hate some of you.

[camn]

Done and done.

UNVOTE
Vote KATSUKI

[mikeburnfire]

<- Still doesn't see the case

[DrippingGoofball]

YOUR ELEVENTH VOTECOUNT is in my birthday gift, YAY!

Katsuki (5): tanstalas, Pomegranate, nopointinactingup, The Buttonmen, camn
tanstalas (1): Katsuki
MehPlusRawr (1): Ellibereth

With 10 players, it's 6 to lynch...

[TheButtonmen]

Thanks DGB......

Unvote

[TheButtonmen]

Vote: nopointinactingup

[camn]

Hmm. I Missed Jenni's unvote, I see.

UNVOTE
VOTE: nopointinactingup

[nopointinactingup]

@Camn: Read the

response in bold

in your quote in post #534. It says "

- Camn started the Vezo wagon, calling Kats town

".

We are still on Katsu.
Mongoose is look ing good though.
But I am kind of watching right now. Trying to see what I can see....

Elli.. lets put mongoose at L-1 and see what falls out, k?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MONGOOSE

For ignoring me and disappearing as soon as things started warming up on him. totally scumerrific.

Day 2.

I understand that Pom.
But clearing him is definitely a no-no, no?

However, Veso is on my hitlist for his hammer alone. I was hoping putting someone at L-1 would shake something out.... Maybe it did?

VOTE : vesokpiraka

For the obv reason- WTF on the quickhammer?

I think Katsu is a filthy lurker, but town..

Camn placed his vote on Katsuki for show, then as soon as another eminent wagon starts up he switch his vote ( Mongoose ). Vezo hammer certainly would earn him a Day 2 lynch so Camn might as well start the wagon. However, with Vezo lost, Camn cannot afford to be onto Katsuki anymore so he started transitioning to Katsu-town theory. Camn, in between your mongoose vote and your vezo vote, there is no evidence of you ever changing your mind about Katsuki. So why is Katsuki suddenly filthy but town?

Until you either show me evidence or admit you mid-read something, I have to assume you are intentionally trying to deceive us, in a desperate attempt to save your partner from death, and/or mislynch camn.

You never mentioned anything about me having a partner. How can I mislynch Camn when I'm voting Katsuki?

[DrippingGoofball]

YOUR twelfth VOTECOUNT comes in very quickly after the eleventh!

Katsuki (3): tanstalas, Pomegranate, nopointinactingup
nopointinactingup (2): The Buttonmen, camn
tanstalas (1): Katsuki
MehPlusRawr (1): Ellibereth

With 10 players, it's 6 to lynch...

[camn]

Ah good, you did recognize.

That responding inside my quotes thing is confusing.
I am glad you admit that I haven't changed my mind about kats....
Too bad you still aren't making a lick of sense. Why am I scum again?

You want to test my commitment to a Katsu lynch? Get her to a REAL L-1. I will hammer. Belive me.
Just like I thought I was doing a few posts back.

Or keep saying that I am scum without any reason why.

[Katsuki]

nopoint is probably town.

I would prefer either a camn lynch or a tans lynch, but if my lynch will clear up a lot of confusion then I am not against my lynch.