Open 249: Mayo Clinic **Game Over!**

[HackerHuck]

Your wagon is small and probably not going anywhere. Kat's "interest in wagoning" you doesn't mean you're on opposite teams. In fact, since your wagon probably isn't going anywhere, it looks more like a bus.

Really? Why would someone think that my wagon wouldn't go anywhere? Let's look at who has suspected me since Day 2 began.

So my initial list right now:

Scum:
Hacker
Antihero
Scott
(from most to least)

My top suspects are as follows
Hacker - For D2 comments. I think I explained some of it already. He is my top candidate.
Scott - Accuses me of doing nothing when his own iso is essentially empty. Seems like coasting scum imo.
Antihero: Useless player. Knows nothing but misrep.

Kat and Hacker look the scummiest to me; Scott looks townish

VOTE: Hackerhuck

Sorry about being gone.

My top scum suspects are Scott, Katsuki, and Huck.

I get the sense Jesse is town. The other two I'm just unsure about.

My scum list is still the same for now.

I'm still feeling a HH, Antihero, Phaen scumteam.

Vote: Hacker

At the time Kastuki voted for me, there were four other people who had me on their scum list - WarriorMode, Antihero (with a vote), Phaen, and Scott. Smashbro had yet to comment on me and Jesse really hadn't either. If anything it seems that I would be a pretty easy lynch. That is unless 3 of those 5 are scum and don't want to all be caught lynching town. I guess that might be why someone wouldn't expect my wagon to go anywhere.

[crywolf20084]

Vote Count: Day 2

5 to lynch someone; 4 to not lynch anyone.

Scott Brosius: (3) (L-2)

JesseSheffield, Phaen, smashbro_of_the_SSS,

HackerHuck: (2)

Antihero, Katsuki

Phaen: (2)

Scott Brosius, HackerHuck

Not Voting

warriormode


Once again, any mistakes, let me know. etc etc


Deadline will be set tomorrow before I go to my math test at 11 am est

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

alright, prodded, but i don't have too much more to say. Scott's posts have seemed alright, but not enough to take my vote off of him yet. Kat's suggestion of Phaen being scummy is interesting, since Kat didn't move a vote. It is true that kat seems to prefer a Hacker lynch, but isn't doing much to push why he believes that hacker is scum.

[Katsuki]

Isn't doing much to push for it? You shitting? Just go LOOK at the shit he's posted, and tell me that its not scum logic. ESPECIALLY the post of "OH HAI LETS HAVE THE DOCS CONSISTING OF 50% SCUM DO THE SCUMHUNTING SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE AS MUCH INFLUENCE OVER THE LYNCH AS POSSIBLE".

Read my iso. hacker's opening post D2 plus that is more than enough in my eyes that he is scum.

[HackerHuck]

Katsuki - you need to reply to this post.

Isn't doing much to push for it? You shitting? Just go LOOK at the shit he's posted, and tell me that its not scum logic. ESPECIALLY the post of "OH HAI LETS HAVE THE DOCS CONSISTING OF 50% SCUM DO THE SCUMHUNTING SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE AS MUCH INFLUENCE OVER THE LYNCH AS POSSIBLE".

Read my iso. hacker's opening post D2 plus that is more than enough in my eyes that he is scum.

Maybe you should explain to us why the vigilantes should do the talking, thus telegraphing their night actions to the scum. I can think of one reason why you might want that to happen.

[JesseSheffield]

I have something to say about that but I'll wait until after Katsuki answers to state it.

[Katsuki]

Simple.

Because it is important that we LYNCH scum first.

Our vig's NK actions are less relevant if we can lynch scum, because if we do, we are left with 5/2. Then, as we have a 2/3/2 format left going into the night, I do not see how we can lose, especially if we have the vig's stack their shots (which SHOULD be done if we lynch scum). That way, at worst, we go into D3 with a 2/1/2 format, and by that point, it should hopefully be a easy town win, what with 2 scum and just 1 doc left.

This is why I find your suggestion insanely scummy, as proposing having doc's lead the scumhunting today increases the chances of mislynching, which is incredibly beneficial for scum.

We SHOULD be focusing on LYNCHING scum first, and THEN worrying about the NK.

Obviously that will come when we have come to an intent to lynch (the discussion of NKs). If someone does not get killed, its not hard to conclude that they were scum. Or just have vig's agree to doubleshot. Your continued emphasis on vigs not scumhunting due to NKs is imo, quite funny.

[JesseSheffield]

Okay well I don't think Katsuki's answer made that much sense.

Anyways, the vig's shouldn't be giving too much input on who they think is scum BESIDES who they're going to vote for because it gives the scum too much info IMO.

[Katsuki]

How does increasing the chances of us lynching scum today not make sense?

It makes NO SENSE to me to let half of the docs aka scum have as much influence as possible in dictating the lynch today, hence why I say that having the 2 confirmed townies lead.

Essentially, think of it this way as to why a scum double voter would be strong. (answer: They get more say over lynches). Same principal here (removing vig voice = scum voteblocker)

[JesseSheffield]

The vigs most likely don't have any better idea as to who's scum as the three town doctors. If we do somehow happen to mislynch, which has a 50% chance if we listen to your idea, and then the scum are also able to protect who they think the vigs are going after and they NK whoever they want we're fucked. And I don't like that possibility. You're either A) thinking too short-sighted or B) scum wanting EXACTLY that to happen.

[Katsuki]

I would rather focus on going into the night with 2 scum remaining. I fail to see how this is short-sighted, as this is a very important first step.

The vig's don't have any better idea than the 3 town docs, but the 3 scum-docs know who is/isn't. Hence, you are increasing their voice in a 3/3 format vs a 3/5 format.

Re: Scum protecting vs Vig kill

This is why I suggested potentially double-shooting.

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

I see what you're saying in your last posts kat. What I was getting at was how you aren't constructing a full case saying this this and this is what he did was scummy, you should vote him. your posts have seemed to say Hacker's last post is scummy. let's vote him. if you believe him to be scum, you should present all of the evidence in one post, and ask people's opinion of it.


also, warrior, we should really think about stacking our kills. right now we have 2v 3t 3m.
-----assuming town lynch today, it is 2v 2t 3m. scum kills town, 2v 1t 3m and we both need to hit scum for it to work, or we can stack our shots, and we need to his scum with that. shooting alone and hitting 1 scum (other hits 1 protected) means that its 2v 1t 2m. However if someone is protected besides us, they were protected by the mafia doc, and therefore mafia. We lynch them, and at night its 2v 1t 1m, we win.
-----assuming scum lynch, its 2v 3t 2m. scum kills town, 2v 2t 2m. we both hit town, lose. we hit 1 scum 1 town, and its 2v 1t 1m, we win. We both hit scum, we win. we stack our kills and hit town, its 2v 1t 2m. we stack and hit scum, its 2v 2t 1m.


Now, there are other cases, if we hit the same person, or if we kill the same person as mafia do. but now i'm leaning toward not stacking our kills. your opinion? well, anyone's opinion too, but mostly warrior. If someone other than us lives because of protection, then they are mafia

[JesseSheffield]

Their voices are already out there anyways. The likelihood of the two vigs correctly identifying which three doctors are not scum and convincing those three on who's scum is unlikely without some sort of interference. You seem to be forgetting the scum have a voice no matter what's suggested.

[Katsuki]

Ah.

Regarding full case, that is not my play-style. I don't think I have yet to do that in any of the games I have played up to this point.

I will not have time to do one before next week, if it is what you guys really want. For now, I would direct you guys to my iso regarding hacker posts.

P-Edit: I realize that scum have voice no matter what. What I am saying is doing our best to reduce that voice, and their impact. Once again, I direct you to my voteblocker/doublevoter example.

[HackerHuck]

Katsuki - you need to reply to this post.

[crywolf20084]

Deadline has been set.

You have 48 hours from this post until the day has ended. If a hammer has not been placed the game will continue into night with out a lynch.

Sunday the 10th at 10:18 AM EDT

[Scott Brosius]

Phaen posting in other games, ignoring this one. More Phaen votes please.

[JesseSheffield]

Unvote, Vote: Phaen

I could see it.

[HackerHuck]

Come on Katsuki, you might want to bus your partner before the vigilantes come in here and drop the hammer.

[Katsuki]

I am quite content with my vote on you hacker, thanks.

I will respond to any other stuff that may need responding when I have the time.

[HackerHuck]

I am quite content with my vote on you hacker, thanks.

Because you're really hoping for a no-lynch?

I will respond to any other stuff that may need responding when I have the time.

I seriously doubt this.

[Scott Brosius]

I am quite content with my vote on you hacker, thanks.

I will respond to any other stuff that may need responding when I have the time.

But clearly your vote is not going to do anything today. It's going to be me or Phaen. A magical wagon of Hacker is not going to start this close to deadline.

I agree with Hacker's take on this post.

[Scott Brosius]

Antihero also active in other games, ignoring this one. Pretty telling especially close to deadline.

Phaen, Antihero and one of Kat/HH is looking like the scum team.

[Katsuki]

A no-lynch will not occur.

I will vote phaen if I have to. I prefer phaen over scott, given what phaen has done thus far today (aka, nothing). I can see town-motivation in scott's posts, as opposed to phaen lurking.

Semi-drunk, no post tonight.

[Katsuki]

When is deadline?