Open 256~Fire and Ice Mafia Over!

[CSL]

Vote: don-johnson

I believe JS more. Call it gut.

[don_johnson]

not sure what you mean jesse. i voted katsuki because they seemed like they were scum. shotty came in and didn't improve the slot. the "revote" was a joke, and an obvious one at that. again, where's the disconnect? i never claimed the "revote" was serious. i simply said that i weighed the chances of shotty's little "gg i'm town" post as being gambit or sincere. i felt there was a good chance that it was a gambit. hence i didn't move the vote that i originally placed on katsuki for his poor play and AtE replacement. if you hadn't noticed, katsuki is posting on the site. replacing out like that with a giant AtE is scummy, especially if the replacement is selective. then shotty got himself modkilled. if you think my vote on shotty was scummy, why didn't you say anything yesterday? why did you wait until i voted you today? sorry, but my vote stands.

[JesseSheffield]

Your insistence that your "revote" on shotty was a joke is obvious. You were clearly joking around and the "giant AtE" is crap. I've NEVER been in a game where that type of scenario actually works out with that slot being scum. That case is ridiculous. I have no idea why you keep bringing up the modkill and attempting to work in other factors. I couldn't give two craps about any of that. I want to know why your joke vote yesterday has all the sudden turning into a serious vote where you ACTUALLY believed shotty was scum today.

I have training from 5.30-10.30p Mondays and Wednesdays. I literally missed almost everything that happened between pages 4-6, but that's besides the point. I did not wait until you voted me to say anything to you. You initiated the conversation by stating that you thought shotty was scum and that is when I started replying to you.

[don_johnson]

U asked whether or not I thought shotty was scum. I answered u. I thought the odds were in favor of him flipping scum. I never said I had a foolproof case or anything like that. I simply answered ur question. U asked if the lynch was a policy lynch or if I thought the slot was scum. I thought the slot had a relatively good chance of being scum. So whatever. from my pov, you started the conversation when u asked the question.

[JesseSheffield]

Er, no. I was asking Robocopter, whom I was having a back and forth with, if he thought shotty was scum. Because to me it seemed like a policy lynch and that would violate his "vote only scum" policy. I actually didn't even realize you thought you were answering my question until just now, I thought you just decided to throw that out there. So since Robocopter hasn't responded yet (and I'm still waiting for his response) I decided to expose you for lying about your vote being for scum (which I still think is accurate).

Why would you have assumed I was asking you? All you did was through out a random vote. I don't reply to random votes because they're a waste of time talking about.

[don_johnson]

Er, no. I was asking Robocopter, whom I was having a back and forth with, if he thought shotty was scum. Because to me it seemed like a policy lynch and that would violate his "vote only scum" policy. I actually didn't even realize you thought you were answering my question until just now, I thought you just decided to throw that out there. So since Robocopter hasn't responded yet (and I'm still waiting for his response) I decided to expose you for lying about your vote being for scum (which I still think is accurate).

you are entitled to your opinion. i was voting who i thought scummiest at the time. if you don't believe me, there is nothing i can do to change your mind.

Why would you have assumed I was asking you? All you did was through out a random vote. I don't reply to random votes because they're a waste of time talking about.

i thought you were asking everyone. i voted you to start the day because i noticed you had not voted all of day 1 and i felt your contribution was lacking. good a place to start as any. i thought you were attacking me because i voted you. oh well. do you have any scum reads?

[JesseSheffield]

I find it interesting that you assumed I was attacking you just because you voted for me, with no reasoning behind it at that.

As far as scum reads go you're on my list to watch simply because it seems like you vote with the purpose to not attract attention to yourself by not posting any reasoning behind your votes. I don't see any pro-town advantage to voting without reason. tanstalas' attack on shotty was ABSOLUTELY ridiculous and totally backwards. The idea that Katsuki replaced because she's scum in this game and would leave her team at a disadvantage is just plain stupid. Probably the most opportunistic case/wagon I've ever seen. I'm waiting to see what mothrax follows up with on the shotty wagon to place judgment on them. Commie needs to get their ass back here and jmurph feels opportunistic to me too.

If I had to pick one as being the scummiest I'd pick tanstalas.

[Robocopter87]

Alright well I'm glad we're on the same page now but I don't really believe that you thought shotty was scum, it seemed much more like a policy lynch to me, correct?

No.
I thought Shotty was scum.
Also he was modkilled but still. I literally thought he was scum.

Ugh. I really wanna vote DJ but I don't want another Quick wagon then modkill again. I think we need more info and conversation than we had Day One.

I'm going to refrain from placing a vote for now. I need to get a nice Primary suspect.

[don_johnson]

I find it interesting that you assumed I was attacking you just because you voted for me, with no reasoning behind it at that.

i voted you. you then attacked me for answering your question. whats "interesting" about it?

As far as scum reads go you're on my list to watch simply because it seems like you vote with the purpose to not attract attention to yourself by not posting any reasoning behind your votes.

as opposed to you who does not vote at all.

I don't see any pro-town advantage to voting without reason.

it generates pressure. pressure stimulates conversation. conversation results in information we can later sift through to discover who is scum and who is not. just because i don't post a reason with a vote, doesn't mean the vote is without reason. but this may be a theory disagreement.

tanstalas' attack on shotty was ABSOLUTELY ridiculous and totally backwards. The idea that Katsuki replaced because she's scum in this game and would leave her team at a disadvantage is just plain stupid. Probably the most opportunistic case/wagon I've ever seen. I'm waiting to see what mothrax follows up with on the shotty wagon to place judgment on them. Commie needs to get their ass back here and jmurph feels opportunistic to me too.

the replacement was "selectively" reserved to this game alone as far as i can tell. i have seen scum replace out of tough spots before. i'll have to reread the entire day to see where the context falls.

If I had to pick one as being the scummiest I'd pick tanstalas.

thanks for participating.

robo: why do you want to vote me? and why do you think there would be another modkill?

[Robocopter87]

robo: why do you want to vote me? and why do you think there would be another modkill?

What I was asying was that I don't want another quicklynch. But it the first one wasn't a quicklynch so i didnt kno what to say.

I want to vote you because of your vote. Just look at it.

[JesseSheffield]

i voted you. you then attacked me for answering your question. whats "interesting" about it?

It's interesting that you'd think a meaningless vote would somehow, magically generate discussion. And I attacked you for lying, not for answering my question, get it straight.

as opposed to you who does not vote at all.

Yet I generate conversation, correct?

the replacement was "selectively" reserved to this game alone as far as i can tell. i have seen scum replace out of tough spots before. i'll have to reread the entire day to see where the context falls.

You think Katsuki was in a tough spot?

[don_johnson]

i voted you. you then attacked me for answering your question. whats "interesting" about it?

It's interesting that you'd think a meaningless vote would somehow, magically generate discussion. And I attacked you for lying, not for answering my question, get it straight.

it is your opinion that i lied. you seem to conveniently ignore that i voted katsuki. you seem to think that for some reason your opinion is more credible than mine. there is no evidence to make it so. who said a meaningless vote would generate discussion? whose vote is "meaningless"?

as opposed to you who does not vote at all.

Yet I generate conversation, correct?

did i say you didn't? you certainly didn't on day 1. you didn't do anything on day 1. you didn't even vote. now that you are participating you can say that. interesting how that works.

the replacement was "selectively" reserved to this game alone as far as i can tell. i have seen scum replace out of tough spots before. i'll have to reread the entire day to see where the context falls.

You think Katsuki was in a tough spot?

yes. at the time, i was reading him as caught scum.

I want to vote you because of your vote. Just look at it.

i don't need to look. i voted the least active player imo. considering the bandwagon analysis is compromised due to a modkill, i don't see how its a bad place to start.

[CSL]

Voting someone because they couldn't find time to post? Wow, you ARE scum.

[Robocopter87]

I want to vote you because of your vote. Just look at it.

i don't need to look. i voted the least active player imo. considering the bandwagon analysis is compromised due to a modkill, i don't see how its a bad place to start.

Total BS on this one.

What about jmurph? Lowell? CommieX?

Just look at page 3. Me and Jesse were brawlin it out. If you are going to accuse him of low activity, might as well accuse me too.

And what bout yourself? You haven't done that much either!

VOTE: Don_Johnson

[don_johnson]

CSL: please pay attention. jesse had 8 posts day one. none of which contained votes. the only time he hinted at a vote was this:

I'm also considering voting Katsuki...because I don't like him. It's terrible reasoning but whatever at this point.

for someone who claims to put such weight on a vote, that seems like a piss poor reason to vote, don't ya think?

before that, jesse also points out that he is the only one who didn't random vote.

I vote to lynch. I don't do the whole RVS or any of that. I rarely policy lynch but occasionally I will.

ok. so was he joking when he said he wanted to vote katsuki?

My prior post should not include the word don't but either way that doesn't change my policy that I only vote to lynch.

more "i only vote to lynch". good policy. so why did he threaten the earlier katsuki vote? was it around the time that katsuki was getting voted by others?

jesse also seems to dislike my vote on kat, but at least two other players shared the same reasoning for my vote. in fact:

I thought Shotty was scum.
Also he was modkilled but still. I literally thought he was scum.

considering i voted katsuki with the same reasons, why does jesse seem to be targeting me today?

Total BS on this one.

What about jmurph? Lowell? CommieX?

Just look at page 3. Me and Jesse were brawlin it out. If you are going to accuse him of low activity, might as well accuse me too.

And what bout yourself? You haven't done that much either!

sorry, didn't mean to accuse him of low activity. i am accusing him of activity with no benefit. fluff posting. not voting. etc. imo he was the most useless player on day 1 and one of only two players not voting at the end of the day(though the day was shortened). i felt it was a good place to start.

its not like i'm making a major case out of it. but i will certainly defend my stance here. jesse states he only "votes to lynch", i vote for a plethora of reasons. mainly because i feel it generates pressure which generates discussion which makes players come out of their holes and take sides. then when a player flips you can go back and look at where everyone was. some people call it voting analysis. but what do i know...

[mothrax]

I don't know what you want me to say about the Doc flip. Like I said, I don't lynch replacees the day they replace in (lylo or mylo being an acception).
Kat was my top scumspect yesterday and all the slotflip tells me is that I was off.
in other news:

V/LA through Sunday evening

[mothrax]

Also, Ihaven't seen this pointed out, but one kill in a two team game. That means that a cross kill was attempted...

[JesseSheffield]

I'm not really sure where to start with DJ's postings. There are too many things to correct that I don't have the energy to do it tonight.

And mothrax is incorrect. Like seriously? Read the set-up.

[mothrax]

OIC... for some reason I thought I read no crosskills somewhere. my bad p. Still, only one kill is something to be pointed out.

[tanstalas]

Noone else finds it odd that the person who was killed last night was the person who had the least amount of posts?

He had his RVS vote and then just one other post about the DMSIS wagon - he mentioned him Jmurph in his second post - wondering if that could mean anything, maybe Jmurph is scum and was like "Oh shit a2rudeboy is on to me, lets kill him tonight"

Hard to say because Jmurph also only has a small number of posts - so very hard to analyze.

[tanstalas]

@Jesse - if I am the person who find the scummiest - why isn't your vote on me?

[jmurph3]

Hey guys, I didn't see the new game had started. I'll catch up on everything and post more later.

[jmurph3]

EBWOP: new

day

I mean, not game. Fail-boat.

[Lowell]

DJ and robo both look bad with the "no, really guys, I thought he was scum!" posts. They both look like they're overcompensating for being on the wagon. I could vote either. jesse looks town.

[JesseSheffield]

@Jesse - if I am the person who find the scummiest - why isn't your vote on me?

Waiting to see what you have to say today. And I really think you're reaching with the jmurph theory.