/Invitational 11: Pick your Poison 5 (Game Over)

[HackerHuck]

Votecount

HackerHuck (3) -- iamausername, Seraphim, AdumbroDeus
AdumbroDeus (6) -- Kmd4390, Plumegranate, SpyreX, Fate, mith, AdumbroDeus

Not voting: ooba, HackerHuck, Ellibereth
12 alive, 7 to lynch.

I have reduced access due to laptop breaking, so apologies for any slowness. Checking now on prods.

I'm assuming that last vote on AdumbroDeus is really from PokerFace.

[HackerHuck]

AdumbroDeus-
Opens the game by trying to wield his vote like a club. Post 1158 is a prime example. He didn't like VV's answer, but moves his vote to SpyreX because SpyreX had yet to respond.

AdumbroDeus, Kmd: VV doesn't have the votes to be lynched by deadline, but DGB may. Thoughts on DGB?

Note: I don't think anyone should be switching from the zoraster wagon unless they are definitely going to be on again before deadline. There are currently enough of us available to switch to zoraster to avoid no lynch, but someone switching to DGB and then not being around to switch back might leave us in no-lynch land, if DGB doesn't have the votes.

If necessary I'll switch my vote to zoraster to secure a lynch, but I think VV is obviousscum, TBH I'm wondering why the heck he's still alive.


DGB is probably town imo.

From this, I know he's wrong about two people, so the question is whether his lack of real support on the Zoraster lynch is because he's trying to help lay the groundwork for a VV lynch the next day

and

look like he's not really into lynching town Zoraster. Even his hammer vote is a little weak.

This post makes me lean more town on him. Ties Mith to DGB (confirms this later when says they're fighting townies) and then he refers to DGB as a he. He also seemed to forget that KMD was confirmed town at this point. The only concern is that if he's telling the truth about being a VI, I could see him doing that as scum.

Mith

, care to ask me a useful question?

Or anybody

for that matter?

This post was very out of place. I looked around for the context, but I cannot understand why he singled out Mith here. I can't see Mith as partnered with a scum Adumbro.
This post also makes me doubt the consistency in his fake breadcrumbing.

ebwop: wrong tag.
VOTE: Plumegranate


Also, I strongly doubt VV (now Hacker) is a vig.

Overall, I'm feeling that the VI excuse might be warranted, because he doesn't really seem to be paying attention and if he were scum, I would say that his actions require more thought.



I also took a look at PokerFace. His entry into the game led with a discussion of DGB where he started off thinking she was scum, but convinced himself mid-post that she's not. He also led off the game by implying that he's not quite with it and will need some help to get things right. It sounds a little like he's lining up a good excuse for being wrong. That's not an uncommon town feeling, but I don't like how it's presented for all to read.

Anything more than town to claim DGB?

Shall I?

um yay, quit stalling. I mean what else do you think that coment from me implied? Seriously starting to think talking myself out of it earlier was dumb or like putting my foot in my mouth. At least toenails are crunchy

This post seems a little too chummy with DGB and it was really odd that he asked for more information, since DGB does claim more than vanilla and outs the other tracker (Rhinox). His scumlist is also a little strange. He's got Me, Adumbro, and Plum in his top four, which implies a lot of bussing. Unfortunately, I also have all of them up kind of high in my list.

Looking at his recent vote jump from me to Adumbro also seems a little too wagony for my taste. I'm thinking that he's the better option than Adumbro.

VOTE: PokerFace



I happened to catch this while looking at Adumbro's posts.

Mith+DGB are scum if zora flips town ..

Ooba, care to elaborate?

[ooba]

Analysis of Day two voting ..

Kmd: mith(1) -> Plum(2) -> DGB(2) -> Plum(7)
Sera: mith(2) -> DGB(6)
SpyreX: HH(1) -> ooba(2) -> DGB(5)
HH: SpyreX(1) -> NoVote -> Plum(6)
mith: DGB(1) ->
iam: elli(1) -> Rhinox(1) -> DGB(*) ->
PF: mith(3) -> NoVote -> Plum(5)
Plum: DGB(2) -> ooba(4) -> DGB(4)
elli: Fate(1) -> NoVote -> ooba(*) -> Plum(4) -> ooba(*)
Fate: HH(2) -> NoVote -> Sera(1) -> ooba(1) -> Plum(5) -> NoVote -> ooba(2) -> DGB(*) -> ooba(2) -> Plum(6) -> DGB(8)
ooba: DGB(4) -> Plum(7) -> DGB(7)
Rhinox: SpyreX(2) -> Plum(*) -> DGB(4)
DGB: Plum(1) -> ooba(4) -> Plum(6) -> ooba(*) -> Rhinox(1)
AD: Plum(6)

In hindsight, mme's 1257 is very opportunistic ..

Plumegranate (6) -- DrippingGoofball,

Kmd4390, Rhinox

, Ellibereth, Fate, HackerHuck

DrippingGoofball (8) --

mith

, iamausername,

Plumegranate

, SpyreX,

Rhinox

, Seraphim,

ooba

, Fate

- I expect 1-2 scum on the DGB wagon as that lynch looked inevitable towards the end of the day
- mith, Plum in town category due to DGB scum flip. The early day Plum wagon is suspect - good chance that one more scum along with DGB on it ..

In hindsight, mme early day vote on mith and PF's plum voting suspicious (same slot)
1594: SpyreX could have probably hammered Plum here with no repercussions here
1614: AD is scum

Reading this day ..

[ooba]

Mith+DGB are scum if zora flips town ..

Ooba, care to elaborate?

Based on the late vote shifting at the end of that day ..

[AdumbroDeus]

Trying to be useful while still alive.

<b>@ Everyone: <b> Thoughts on hackerhuck's post, I know I goofed royally (not cause I wasn't attempting to pay attention, I just felt overwhelmed by this game), so I think the going impression should be obvious scum, post his post feels legit. Trying to score townie points by saying "I told you so" when I flip town as scum or legitimately attempting to protect somebody he thinks is reasonably likely to be town?

[AdumbroDeus]

EBWOP, wrong bolding format.

Trying to be useful while still alive.

@ Everyone

: Thoughts on hackerhuck's post, I know I goofed royally (not cause I wasn't attempting to pay attention, I just felt overwhelmed by this game), so I think the going impression should be obvious scum, post his post feels legit. Trying to score townie points by saying "I told you so" when I flip town as scum or legitimately attempting to protect somebody he thinks is reasonably likely to be town?

[ooba]

On this day ..
- Responding to Fate's accusations:
-- a) I paired everyone with DGB - I saw an iam\DGB pairing early in the day but then dropped the connection. The you\DGB connection is still valid. Who else did I spot DGB connections with?
-- b) Voting plum - When I didn't see iam\DGB anymore, I moved.
- Nothing to convince me that AD is not scum.

Vote:AdumbroDeus

[Plumegranate]

Was that a lynch, or am I counting incorrectly?

[Plumegranate]

-- a) I paired everyone with DGB - I saw an iam\DGB pairing early in the day but then dropped the connection. The you\DGB connection is still valid. Who else did I spot DGB connections with?
-- b) Voting plum - When I didn't see iam\DGB anymore, I moved.

Wait. Your method of scumhunting is stupid; I don't remember well enough whether this is really your MO (to practice it to this effect and degree, anyway) but in any case you didn't analyze DGB herself, but instead decided that more possible connections were available with her so you voted her. Then suddenly you drop it and vote me to L-1 because I might be in a different possible group? How did you choose whether a Fate/DGB team was more or less likely than a mith/Plum/Rhinox pairing? Argh my brain is melting.
- Other Fruit

[AdumbroDeus]

It was, wanted to see people's reactions to hackerhuck's statements before the lynch happened.


*sigh*

Not liking ooba now, but whatever.


Any last minute twilight questions?



And I really gotta apologize for my play over this game, I obviously couldn't even make scum think I was a PR. As I said, I got lost cause you guys were playing above my level, I'd appreciate any commentary on my play in the post-game to point out my mistakes in the attempt to make scum read me as a PR, and reading in general, more experience I guess.


Sorry folks.

[HackerHuck]

Mith+DGB are scum if zora flips town ..

Ooba, care to elaborate?

Based on the late vote shifting at the end of that day ..

Not quite what I meant. Based on the Zoraster town flip and the DGB scum flip, do you still have Mith as likely scum? If not, what changed your mind?

@ Everyone

: Thoughts on hackerhuck's post, I know I goofed royally (not cause I wasn't attempting to pay attention, I just felt overwhelmed by this game), so I think the going impression should be obvious scum, post his post feels legit. Trying to score townie points by saying "I told you so" when I flip town as scum or legitimately attempting to protect somebody he thinks is reasonably likely to be town?

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Do you think my post is scummy or not?

[AdumbroDeus]

I'm leaning on it being scummy, I wanna draw attention to it so others can decide if it's scummy.

[AdumbroDeus]

EBWOP: Leaning TOWARDS it being scummy.



Also, g2g, s won't have a chance to say more sorry, unless it's like this minute.

[Seraphim]

Mod: Requesting replacement

[Patrick]

Final Votecount

HackerHuck (3) -- iamausername, Seraphim, AdumbroDeus
AdumbroDeus (7) -- Kmd4390, Plumegranate, SpyreX, Fate, mith, PokerFace, ooba
PokerFace (1) -- HackerHuck

Not voting: Ellibereth
12 alive, 7 to lynch.

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AdumbroDeus - Townsperson - lynched day 4

Night 4 falls, with the usual 72 hour deadline.

[Patrick]

Day 5, and once again you have two deaths on your hands:

Kmd4390 - Tracker - killed night 4
Ellibereth - Townsperson - killed night 4

Day 5 starts. With 9 alive, you lynch at 5. I'm also looking for a Seraphim replacement. Deadline: 31st of October, 11pm GMT.

[mith]

Ugh.

Ok, I am going to make the following statement:

Either I am a (Vanilla) Townsperson, or I am the Vig and think there is enough of a chance that I can get two shots off to warrant my staying hidden.

If the above applies to you, repeat the statement in your first post; if you are scum or if you are the Vig and feel it is in the town's best interest for you to claim now, claim. (We have an odd number of players remaining; the only balance-advantage a hidden Vig gives us right now is if the Vig can get off two kills - this gains a town-controlled kill. Otherwise, we are better off with the Vig out. If everyone makes the above statement, the scum have gained no information; if not, either a scum fake claimed and can be killed by the Vig, or the Vig has decided to claim.)

I'm holding my vote until this is done.

[iamausername]

Either I am a (Vanilla) Townsperson, or I am the Vig and think there is enough of a chance that I can get two shots off to warrant my staying hidden.

Nothing else to say while we're running through this.

[Fate]

LOL LOOK AT US ALL SOFTCLAIMING THE ONLY TWO ROLES LEFT IN THE GAME. HAIIII

VOTE: SERAPHIM

ALSO:

-ELLIE WAS ON THE DO NOT VIG LIST WTF

[HackerHuck]

Either I am a (Vanilla) Townsperson, or I am the Vig and think there is enough of a chance that I can get two shots off to warrant my staying hidden.

Nothing's changed about my suspicion on Pokerface or Plumegranate, although I was obviously wrong about Ellibereth. I'm not discounting the possibility that the scum all avoided Plumegranate's wagon, but I think it's more likely that PokerFace is scum.

VOTE: PokerFace

[SpyreX]

Either I am a (Vanilla) Townsperson, or I am the Vig and think there is enough of a chance that I can get two shots off to warrant my staying hidden.

IT IS TIME TO DO THIS RIGHT DAMNIT FATE

[SpyreX]

And by that I mean:

Vote: HH

[ooba]

Either I am a (Vanilla) Townsperson, or I am the Vig and think there is enough of a chance that I can get two shots off to warrant my staying hidden.

My reads are screwed up this game .. Time for an epic re-read ..

[PokerFace]

Either I am a (Vanilla) Townsperson, or I am the Vig and think there is enough of a chance that I can get two shots off to warrant my staying hidden.

I'm gonna read things a little closer before i do anything else

[AdumbroDeus]

As I said I was merely dumb as rocks this game.


Bah, go town.