Open 256~Fire and Ice Mafia Over!

[don_johnson]

the first vote was a joke. i was already voting that player slot. the vote i had placed on that player slot had reasoning behind it.

the vote on you had reasoning as well. just because i didn't post the reasoning with the vote, doesn't mean the vote is void of reason.

[JesseSheffield]

Sure it is. Waiting around for players to ask you what your vote is about is irresponsible and anti-town play. Casting a vote and then waiting for reaction allows you time to formulate your reasoning behind it, therefore that reasoning cannot be trusted. That renders your vote useless.

[don_johnson]

ah, but attaching reasoning directly to your vote, also gives scum the oppurtunity to piggyback a case. you seem well versed in wifom. its a shame you are so egocentric. there is more than one way to play the game of mafia. reasoning is not "useless" regardless of when it is presented. it is up to others to decide if the "reasoning" in question is good or bad. its placement in thread does not affect its efficacy.

[JesseSheffield]

You don't have a case if you don't post reasoning! Again, not posting reasoning allows time to formulate a reactive answer to the question of what the reasoning behind a meaningless vote is. It's perfect strategy for liars because they don't have to worry about getting caught saying something they don't want to say.

[mallowgeno]

Promise to post some tomorrow. Had a competition all day today.

[tanstalas]

@Mod - I need to be replaced a family emergency has come up and I do not know when I will be able to post next

[mallowgeno]

Wow Robo, someone was over-enthusiastic:

CSL....

No they are not, explain how..

Seriously?

Lets lynch this scumbag.

Someone Hamma. I don't believe his claim, his omgus vote is just adding to it.

I can't help but feel eagerness from reading these two posts.

Ugh. I really wanna vote DJ

but I don't want another Quick wagon then modkill again. I think we need more info and conversation than we had Day One.

Really? You think you need more conversation than day one? What happened to this Robo? :

Someone Hamma

. I don't believe his claim, his omgus vote is just adding to it.

Then this one really makes me laugh...

I'm going to refrain from placing a vote for now. I need to get a nice Primary suspect.

1 hour and 25 minutes later...

VOTE: Don_Johnson

What happened to the whole "Let's not lynch yet so we can get information unlike day 1?"

Vote Robo

[jmurph3]

jmurph response to the arguments raised against them would be good form.

Note how two posts above you I said that I'm V/LA. Note also how I addressed my vote on Shotty. Anything else?

[don_johnson]

You don't have a case if you don't post reasoning! Again, not posting reasoning allows time to formulate a reactive answer to the question of what the reasoning behind a meaningless vote is. It's perfect strategy for liars because they don't have to worry about getting caught saying something they don't want to say.

if i don't post a case then scum has nothing to piggyback. they have to think for themselves. for some reason, you seem to be applying guilt/innocence based on the timing of a player giving reasoning. this is inherently flawed. good players will read the thread, and though one may

include the idea of timing

when making a decision, a good player will not make a decision on a players reasoning based

solely

on timing, as you are doing now.

jmurph response to the arguments raised against them would be good form.

Note how two posts above you I said that I'm V/LA. Note also how I addressed my vote on Shotty. Anything else?

i was referring to the case brought against you by another player. v/la posts don't count as participation and/or responses. someone voted you. i added my vote because i thought the argument made sense. i would like to see a response to that initial argument. do you think it is valid/invalid? do you think it is a case brought against you by town or scum?

[Robocopter87]

I'll tell you what happened, you acted like a frikkin scumbag. Thats what.

[Me=Weird]

Prodding CSL. Searching for a replacement for tanstalas.

votecount

don_johnson(3): CSL, Robocopter87, JesseSheffield
jmurph3(2): CommieX, don_johnson
Robocopter87(1): mallowgeno
Not voting(4): tanstalas, mothrax, Lowell, jmurph3

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Deadline is October 21.

[Robocopter87]

Oh oh oh, I thought D_J was the person that I was defending against!

No, well to redo my defense,
"D_J started acting like a frikking scumbag thats what!"

[don_johnson]

dj is acting like dj. nothing scummy about voting in a game like this...

[CSL]

Responding to the cattleprod.

dj needs more votes.

[Lowell]

DJ has MUCH the worse of the little dj/jesse spat. Citing his own meta as a defense is a clincher for me.

vote dj

jmurph just looks like a soft target, more than a particularly scummy one.

[Robocopter87]

dj is acting like dj. nothing scummy about voting in a game like this...

No. I don't use Meta in an actual game to decide if someone is scum or town.

Try again.

[Me=Weird]

Checking for prods later. Zed replaces tanstalas.

votecount

don_johnson(4): CSL, Robocopter87, JesseSheffield, Lowell
jmurph3(2): CommieX, don_johnson
Robocopter87(1): mallowgeno
Not voting(3): tanstalas, mothrax, jmurph3

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Deadline is October 21.

[Zed]

/confirmining. I'll go catch up now

[don_johnson]

Not claiming meta. Just pointing out that there is nothing wrong with my play.

[Robocopter87]

Haha, yeah right! You are perfectly towny like! Of course!

[/sarcasm]

[don_johnson]

No reason to be a douche-bag. Voting and participating is protown. Please explain why a Jesse vote or a jmurph vote Is bad.

[Robocopter87]

No no no.

Just because you vote doesn't mean you are town.
Participating is good, though that doesn't mean you are town.

Jesse vote was bad. You had no backing to it, and when you did provide backing, it was false. Jesse did participate and provide content. And just because he didn't vote doesn't mean he is scum.

jmurph vote is null.

[Zed]

In a hurry right now so I'm making it quick.

So, multiple people thought shotty was scum. He wasn't, but it happens.

i thought his slot was likely scum. i voted him. he thought he was hammered and said "gg i'm town". i weighed the chances of it being the truth or a gambit. i went with it being a gambit and decide to leave my vote on to see where it went.

This makes no sense. If he thought you hammered, why would he fake reveal? The mod is going to confirm his status anyway, it makes no sense to lie about it.

jesse seems more town than don. I'm leaning more town than scum on robo.

'kay, I'll be back later.

[mallowgeno]

I love how you don't even defend yourself Robo.

[don_johnson]

Just because you vote doesn't mean you are scum.
Participating is good, though that doesn't mean you are scum.
And just because he didn't vote doesn't mean he is town.

^^ fixed for truthfulness.

Jesse vote was bad. You had no backing to it, and when you did provide backing, it was false. Jesse did participate and provide content.

jesse didn't vote. his participation did not help the game move forward. please reread my reasons again as you seem to be misunderstanding or deliberatly misrepresenting them.

also, please do an iso analysis of jesse's day 1 posts and explain which ones ring town to you and how they helped the game.

This makes no sense. If he thought you hammered, why would he fake reveal? The mod is going to confirm his status anyway, it makes no sense to lie about it.

please pay attention. if he knew he wasn't hammered, he could have taken the oppurtunity to say "gg i'm town" making others think he didn't realize he hadn't been hammered and thus thought he was truly hammered, which in fact, he wasn't, and was well aware of. see? it happens all the time.