Mini 1070 The Godfather:Hunt for Sollozzo (GAME!)

[StrangerCoug]

I hereby understand and confirm my role.

[StrangerCoug]

So, while we're waiting, has anyone played The Godfather, the video game? I'm considering adding Aldo Trapani (the main character) into the last installment of my Godfather series, but I want to make sure people've played the game.

I haven't personally, but I've watched my brother play it.

Money's tight and

I need to get back to studying tomorrow

(bolded to explain possible drop in activity later), so I really don't have the option of renting the movie right now. I have only a passing knowledge of the movie, but I'm playing under the same motivation as pacman281292.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE: RedCoyote for playing my Card Sharks game right now.

[StrangerCoug]

How much stock are you putting in that, FakeGod?

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote: RedCoyote
Vote: pacman281292

His explanation screams "this is a random vote, please pay no attention to it'

But he unvoted a random vote in order to make it.
That suggests that the second vote isn't really random.
But his answer suggests he wants me to believe it is.
He wants me to believe something that isn't true.
Wagon of win, welcome to the game.

The hell, Thor665? Does this make sense?
UNVOTE: RedCoyote
VOTE: Thor665

[StrangerCoug]

The hell, StrangerCoug? Yes it does.

What do you see as the scum angle in my reasoning and vote?

You are calling a second random vote scummy; in my book it is actually null. Also, if we want to be technical, there are no truly random votes unless people decide to use random.org to make them. There will probably be something scummier, but I'm trying to get info out of you right now.

[StrangerCoug]

@StrangerCoug - I'm not calling a second random vote scummy at all. Why do you think I'm doing that?

I'm calling him claiming it as a second random vote when clearly there were choices and decisions made that he didn't account for as scummy.

The "choices and decisions made that he didn't account for" aren't clear to me. If your case on him is trying to prolong the RVS, then I see your point, but I don't think we're on the same page here.

[StrangerCoug]

UNVOTE: Thor665 to let the argument between him and pacman281292 play out.

[StrangerCoug]

The "choices and decisions made that he didn't account for" aren't clear to me. If your case on him is trying to prolong the RVS, then I see your point, but I don't think we're on the same page here.

I've outlined them before but here goes ver 2.4;

He changed his vote from a random vote. To my mind the only reason to change off of one completely random vote to another completely random vote is...well...for reasons *other then* randomness.

He cited his reason (people who bandwagon) I pointed out how I was also bandwagoning, and had in fact been bandwagoning first.

Which means he had a reason when debating between Thor and bv for his new vote as to why he chose bv over Thor.
He claims the modding reason.
If he's telling the truth then that is a terrible reason to pick bv over me and isn't pro-town - which is a decent reason to vote someone.
If he's lying then he had other reasons he's not telling us, which isn't pro-town - which is a decent reason to vote someone.
I'll also add that he's gone on a little blitz against me, wherein he's called some stuff I did "lazy" and "BS" and has intimated that he doesn't like me and that he thinks there is some meat to Thorscum/Far_Cryscum and he's done this all...without switching his vote to me.

That seems odd, since I'm pretty sure by everything he's said that I should be higher on his scumlist then bv is. So why leave the vote on bv? I dunno. Want to find out. Shall try to lynch him for his non-accounted for actions until I get a better scumread on someone else or I start getting a town read on him.

Follow now?

I'm good.

WTF? What am I supposed to say? I AGREE THAT I'M SCUM WITH THOR, or what?

I think Thor made a vote against pacman for pacman's somewhat questionable random vote. When this vote came under fire, Thor responded by heavily defending it. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for him to just back down and say, "yes, my vote was wrong and I shouldn't have done it." That would be pussy.

Anyways, why are you not answering my question? Why are you asking for everyone to say something and then not saying something yourself? Are you waiting for something popular to come up so you can jump on it? You're playing typical scum behavior here. GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE HUH. UNVOTE: VOTE: Exilon.

This stands out to me, but I can't get a read on it.

[StrangerCoug]

I've figured out the standout to the Far_Cry post I quoted last post—the Mr. Big Mouth tone of the post. I'm not fond of it, so I'm going to throw a

minor FoS

at him, but Exilon doesn't look pretty either and has a worse problem with it. The claim that RedCoyote is rolefishing is god-awful as well.

VOTE: Exilon. I know I said I'd let Thor vs. pacman play out, but I want to switch gears.

[StrangerCoug]

The claim that RedCoyote is rolefishing is god-awful as well.

VOTE: Exilon. I know I said I'd let Thor vs. pacman play out, but I want to switch gears.

That's it? You just vote? What about the rest of the post? My questions to everyone? Why do you think the analysis is crap? Do you agree with me? Yes or no? Why?

You just mangled two player names together.

I didn't just vote. I said that I thought your claim that RedCoyote was rolefishing is crap. I'm being rushed right now, so the rest when I get home.

If you want to switch gears, where's the rest of iniative?

What do you mean?

[StrangerCoug]

The claim that RedCoyote is rolefishing is god-awful as well.

VOTE: Exilon. I know I said I'd let Thor vs. pacman play out, but I want to switch gears.

That's it? You just vote? What about the rest of the post? My questions to everyone? Why do you think the analysis is crap? Do you agree with me? Yes or no? Why?

You just mangled two player names together.

I didn't just vote. I said that I thought your claim that RedCoyote was rolefishing is crap. I'm being rushed right now, so the rest when I get home.

And here it is:

RedCoyote is getting on your case for talking about your role. I can see how asking you what you mean by your role

NOT

getting you nightkilled

could

be considered rolefishing (emphasis meant to clearly indicate I was reading), but he's mainly trying to get you to shut up about your role so you do not leak important information to scum. In fact, you've already softclaimed bulletproof—not something you should have done. Best case scenario, the post does exactly what it says on the tin and tells the scum to kill someone else.

I can get a quote if you want, but I wasn't the only one in 12 players who said something about their role after confirming,

AND I HAVE ALREADY SAID THIS; GOOD TO KNOW YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION.

Again, not something scum needs to know. I love having lots of information, but gee whiz, this is getting anti-town!

I don't have major problems with any of your other cases that I can think of right now.

[StrangerCoug]

And also, why would I softclaim bulletproof?

Lynch me if I know, seeing as it's bad strategy.

Again, not something scum needs to know. I love having lots of information, but gee whiz, this is getting anti-town!

It was a joke comment. I made a joke comment too, and then I labeled it. That's my point.

*shoots himself in the head for missing the humor*

Will let Exilon vs. RedCoyote play out a bit.

[StrangerCoug]

That's OK; right now I'm in "the RL world is after me" mode.

[StrangerCoug]

Sorry to say that I don't have much more I want to bring up with Exilon at the moment. Everyone seems to think that Exilon's posts are filled with funny jokes that I'm, apparently, too dumb to understand. "The above sentence is a trap", "I'm claiming but I'm not", "this person is scum but he's really not". Sounds like a bunch of non-sequiturs and arrogance to me, but I have no idea how to even have a discussion about it.

Don't feel so bad! If you are too dumb to understand his jokes, then so am I. I'm a take-damn-near-everything-seriously kind of person, which doesn't do me any favors. Then again, I

DO

think it's time for Exilon to get serious.

I think Exilon's the best lead to follow and I left my vote on him when I said I'd let it play out, so unless somebody does something crazy...

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug is in the scumpond now because he seems to be clinging to the sidelines with a white-knuckled grip of super focus.

If I feel the need to wait for information to come out, I'll do so. Exilon's the only standout to me at this point.

[StrangerCoug]

Is there anybody on which you want me to state my opinion?

[StrangerCoug]

Wingless I'm leaning town on, but Zajnet makes a good point about his #143.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: I now think you vs. pacman281292 was town vs. town. As for Exilon vs. RedCoyote, I'm still sold on Exilon-scum.

[StrangerCoug]

Zajnet noted that one of his thoughts was WIFOM...does this change your opinion about thinking he's town or something? The use of the word 'but' tends to imply this.

The WIFOM does weaken my town read on Wingless, yes.

Why'd you mention it and why do you have a town read on him

otherwise

/in spite of/because of this?

Applicable wording in blue.

You wanted to know what I thought of Wingless, especially his more recent posts. I just did a quick look of what was then my last page and drew my conclusion. I haven't seen him do anything major in terms of scumminess yet. I know I haven't been getting many reads this game; I'm getting on myself for this.

[StrangerCoug]

Stranger and Thor:
What is WIFOM in my sentences?

Zajnet, not Thor665, is the person other than me who said your statement is WIFOM. It says that one side is more likely to do something than another—specifically, that scum is more likely to remember nuances about names than town is. Thor665 and Bub Bidderskins can very much be scumbuddies—we have no good evidence to suggest otherwise. But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, so something may come up that may legitimately point to them being town.

My point anyway is that you want to be careful not to assume one of them is cleared if the other flips scum.

[StrangerCoug]

I never should've unvoted.

Vote: RC

As for SC, since he gave us the offer pg6 I think, what are your opinions on far_Cry, bub and zajnet?

Not voting far_cry at the moment as I want wait for replacement and hearing what he/she has to say.

Far_Cry requires a reread before I have a stance on him and Bub Bidderskins is OK for now. Zajnet's most recent post bothers me because he voted RedCoyote for making what comes off to me as a sarcastic post, so I'm leaning scum on him for now.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: Looking at Far_Cry in ISO reminded me that I gave him a minor FoS for a Mr. Big Mouth-type post. That's my only problem with him, though.

[StrangerCoug]

SC's vote doesn't make any sense.
Post 67 SC - You didn't answer Thor's question of where the scum motivation is. The last sentence implies you think Thor is scummy, but you don't say what the scumtell is. Scumpoints for you.

I thought the post made it clear that I didn't like Thor665 voting someone for a null tell.

[StrangerCoug]

Would someone do or point me to a quick summarizaton of the case on RedCoyote?

[StrangerCoug]

Psssh, get on the Bub wagon, it has mocha.

Why him then?

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not asking why you think RedCoyote is town; I noticed him getting a lot of negative attention that I couldn't understand, so I inquired about it. Since we agree that RedCoyote is likely town, a case on Bub would help me.

[StrangerCoug]

The only thing I see iffy about Bub Bidderskins is his ISO #11. Everything else he posted is fine. As for pacman281292, I do think his early play is problematic as he takes until his ISO #7 to post anything semi-decent, but he did seem to be making an effort in scumhunting when he was here.

That said, I'm not really motivated to get my vote off Exilon.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC - there's something about his attitude of analysis and focus when paired with not noticing a player declared V/LA. Feels like he's trying to look really intent while not being intent at all.

OK, I can buy this.

I still don't get the Exilon vote either, he acted VI early but when pressured was able to explain the logic of the VIness - that strikes me as pretty pro-town as it tends to codify the game out of RVS via scumlure for tasty VI action and also none of the things he did make sense in a particular anti-town/scummy way. Why don't you explain to me the best you're able why I should be on the Exilon vote?

My best support would be how he handled his accusing RedCoyote of rolefishing, but now that I'm rereading it, trying to throw the scum off-guard makes sense from a town perspective. I'm not going to hang on to the Exilon vote.

UNVOTE: Exilon
VOTE: Bub Bidderskins

[StrangerCoug]

OK, I can buy this.

Why are you asking Thor for voting tips and not anyone else? My suspicions are public record, do all three of them not tickle your fancy at all, or did Thor really just sell Bub that much better?

The question was initially an open one as to what the case is on you, and Thor665 suggested I consider Bub Bidderskins instead. I never directly asked anyone whom I should vote, as I interpret your question.

[StrangerCoug]

SC

:
He votes on Thor when he attacks pacman. Later, he unvotes to let them fight freely. He thinks Exilon was trying to look town. He minor FoS-ed Antihero(Farcry). He votes Exilon. He thinks RC wasn't rolefishing. Why?

It's kind of hard to fish for something already out of the water.

He says RC is town, he doesn't have scum motivation. SC and FG immediately unvotes RC. Why?

The only time I ever voted RedCoyote was in the random voting stage...

Also, could you post your stance on the major back-and-forths in the game (pacman281292 vs. Thor665, Exilon vs. RedCoyote and me, and whatever else along those lines happened that I can't think of right now)?

[StrangerCoug]

The question was initially an open one as to what the case is on you, and Thor665 suggested I consider Bub Bidderskins instead. I never directly asked anyone whom I should vote, as I interpret your question.

I realize that, but I essentially threw my suspicions out to everyone, openly, SC included, before you even asked.

Was there a specific reason that you decided not to comment? Should I take it that Thor's case is more appealing?

I didn't give much of a comment because I felt your question was incorrectly worded. I interpreted your question as asking why I singled out Thor665 as the person who should be giving me ideas on who to vote; he gave me ideas on his own accord. If you think your cases are better than Thor's on Bub Bidderskins, then by all means point me to them so I can look them over.

[StrangerCoug]

I hate to invoke Lynch All Lurkers, but UNVOTE: Bub Bidderskins and VOTE: Katsuki. I did take a brief look at the post RedCoyote linked me to, so it's not in

THAT

much vain, but it's my best option right now.

[StrangerCoug]

It's page 11 and Katsuki has barely posted content. If your inactivity is going to burden the game,

you tell the mod.

The mod of another game is not going to relay information to the mod of this game.

His only clear suspect is RedCoyote, and I'm having trouble reconstructing the case on him from his posts in ISO.

[StrangerCoug]

@FakeGod - ending posts in ellipses is scummy.

I personally beg to differ on this point, but if it comes off to you as noncommittal, I'm not going to fight you over it.

[StrangerCoug]

It's page 11 and Katsuki has barely posted content. If your inactivity is going to burden the game,

you tell the mod.

The mod of another game is not going to relay information to the mod of this game.

You need to put on your reading glasses, stranger. Last I checked, SC read far better than this.

Every statement you made in this thread regarding your activity was directed at other players. You did not tell the mod directly of your problems in thread, and looking at his posts in isolation does not give me good reason to believe you PM'd the mod either. Stop whining and complaining and

POST SOMETHING WORTH OUR TIME.

[StrangerCoug]

If I remember correctly, I dropped the ball on RedCoyote here.