NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[Xite91]

Hey guys, sorry, had an unexpected LA issue today, but I should be good for now.

Only thing of note that's happened lately is the flinter-looking-for-every-reason-to-vote-everyone thing. But I'll take care of that later. Right now, wraith is the right lynch

[DemonHybrid]

I don't know that if flinter voting based on that is a particularly scummy action. I can see the town motivation behind viewing that as scummy; I put it down in the wrong words.

[Xite91]

I don't know that if flinter voting based on that is a particularly scummy action. I can see the town motivation behind viewing that as scummy; I put it down in the wrong words.

I'm just saying that flinter's way of voting and such has been kind of scummy in general. Honestly, this game is taking me around in circles at this point. (I suspect half the people in this game and the other half is pretty much off the radar)
Wraith is a distraction to town and probably should be lynched so we can move on, but other than his rampant stupidity (sorry if that's too insulting wraith) he doesn't scream scum to me. If people will agree to another lynch, though, I will gladly agree as long as it's one of these 3 people;
Pacman
Demonhybrid
Flinter
I know this could sound like fence-sitting, but we're getting close to deadline and it's to the point where everyone needs to post their top 3 and we'll lynch based on that.
Considering there should only be about 2 MAYBE 3 (probably not tho) scum left, I don't feel they'll be able to manipulate this too much.

[DemonHybrid]

If Wraith "doesn't scream scum to you" and you have a better list of 3 lynches, why advocate his lynch?

[Xite91]

If Wraith "doesn't scream scum to you" and you have a better list of 3 lynches, why advocate his lynch?

because town would do better with him out of the way and because I have been prety backwards on my reads with this game, if you haven't noticed...

[DemonHybrid]

If Wraith "doesn't scream scum to you" and you have a better list of 3 lynches, why advocate his lynch?

because town would do better with him out of the way and because I have been prety backwards on my reads with this game, if you haven't noticed...

Sorry, I've just always been about NOT policy lynching. It's a bullcrap way of making lynch decisions.

[Xite91]

If Wraith "doesn't scream scum to you" and you have a better list of 3 lynches, why advocate his lynch?

because town would do better with him out of the way and because I have been prety backwards on my reads with this game, if you haven't noticed...

Sorry, I've just always been about NOT policy lynching. It's a bullcrap way of making lynch decisions.

I agree for the most part, but a wagon has formed on him what 3, 4 times? He's doing but being a distraction

[DemonHybrid]

Because people think he's scum.

If you want to advocate his lynch, then do so and advocate him for being scum, not "town but distracting". You're still lynching a townie.

Unvote, Vote: Xite91

[DemonHybrid]

Here's my three:

As of the last few posts, Xite is scummiest, followed by Wraith and Bunnylover.

Xite for pushing a lynch while 1. not voting and 2. thinking the wagoned player is town but still advocating for a lynch, policy or not.
Wraith for AtE, earlier wishy-washy actions, inability to make a case when pressured.
Bunnylover for wishy-washy unvote and backpedaling.

[Shanba]

Oh man, I just read the last couple of pages of prozac's iso again. He is being so phenomenally lazy. I understand the appeal, but seriously, if you're town get your act into gear mate.

I don't like the fact that everyone here died except for me:
Hiphop [3] (Dana, Lowell, Bunnylover)

What are you insinuating here? You do know hiphop died and is town, right?

The vig/sk is killing off lurkers, nitwits.
- nhammen
- benmage
- kise/ua
- baby spice/lowell

In the case of baby spice, I'm willing to bet he went with dana's first day 4 post. But other than that, he's killing off lurkers, which is not a thing an sk would do.

Oh I totally missed this first time round. Why the hell would any vig go with a fakecop's claimed guilty?

MME is pretty bad in general, actually. Definitely one I want to keep my eye on. Since he replaced in he's been like prozac without the drunk posts - barely posting, and when he does, posting without addressing barely anything.

Bunnylover is probably town. Yes, new, and hence making mistakes, but town. The more I think about it the more I reckon this is probably another of those bad wagons on poor players that have so plagued this game.

I'm beginning to doubt my gorrad case a bit. I think it's moer likely he's just misguided. In fact, my top suspect right now is MME (partially because I've all but convinced myself that prozac was investigated by Kise). I'll get a proper case on him soon.

The defence of dana is troublesome, but I don't think xite is scum. Essentially the assumption there is that xite would invest a large amount of energy into protecting a buddy who was essentially doomed if any real cop claimed or died (as eventually happened.) I don't see that being a worthwhile strategic decision for scum. Maybe I'm giving him too much slack, but although he's made a number of poor cases and pushed a few twnies to their deaths this game, he's also been one of the fwe players who I feel are actively scumhunting. He's attacking things that look bad to him, picking up stuff that others have missed and then not been afraid to change his position if he's had a change of heart.

I think xite fell into a wifomtrap on day 3, but I'm still fairly certain he's town.

Flinter: I could go back and pick out a whole bunch of semantical things gorrad said, I could spew a whole bunch of theory as to why I completely disagree witha lot of the stuff he pushed, but basically my case boils down to a) I don't think he's scumhunted honestly/hard enough and b)he seems to be looking for entirely the wrong things, leading to him being on a lot of terrible wagons. If that's not enough to convince people, adding a bunch of fluff won't help (or at least it ought not to.) Regardless, I'm coming around to the idea that he and I have different philosophies on what is scummy.

Gorrad: I still think you're not giving my prozac case nearly enough credit. It's much more than just lurking.

Of the big wagons today, bunnylover is the best, but still not great.

Unvote Vote: MME

[Wraith]

Okay, I'm done with this game until the next day, because I've been spending too much time on it and severely neglecting my other games.

Unvote Vote: Xite

That's where my vote is staying until deadline.

[flinter]

Flinter: I could go back and pick out a whole bunch of semantical things gorrad said, I could spew a whole bunch of theory as to why I completely disagree witha lot of the stuff he pushed, but basically my case boils down to a) I don't think he's scumhunted honestly/hard enough and b)he seems to be looking for entirely the wrong things, leading to him being on a lot of terrible wagons. If that's not enough to convince people, adding a bunch of fluff won't help (or at least it ought not to.) Regardless, I'm coming around to the idea that he and I have different philosophies on what is scummy.

<---- I know it is small, but it really is there.

It's not that we disagree on the basics of the game, I think. I often find myself agreeing with your cases. Practically this entire post I agreed with, and it really made me doubt my Xite-vote.

Both you and Xite have mentioned that I have been on a lot of wagons, but I really doubt that since I haven't been posting a lot. I know that isn't how it should be, but I'm not going to get replaced when I can reasonably keep up with the game.

I've voted for Xite, demonhybrid, mysterio, singer, bunnylover and Dana.


I'm going to think about my Xite vote. Xite, why were you convinced that dana would claim a guilty on one of his scumpartners? Dana can hardly have been the scums most valuable member.

I really don't like how Demon went from voting me to voting Xite within a few posts.

[My Milked Eek]

In the midst of typing.
Might exceed the self imposed deadline, so that's why I'm posting this small bit.

[DemonHybrid]

Flinter: I could go back and pick out a whole bunch of semantical things gorrad said, I could spew a whole bunch of theory as to why I completely disagree witha lot of the stuff he pushed, but basically my case boils down to a) I don't think he's scumhunted honestly/hard enough and b)he seems to be looking for entirely the wrong things, leading to him being on a lot of terrible wagons. If that's not enough to convince people, adding a bunch of fluff won't help (or at least it ought not to.) Regardless, I'm coming around to the idea that he and I have different philosophies on what is scummy.

<---- I know it is small, but it really is there.

It's not that we disagree on the basics of the game, I think. I often find myself agreeing with your cases. Practically this entire post I agreed with, and it really made me doubt my Xite-vote.

Both you and Xite have mentioned that I have been on a lot of wagons, but I really doubt that since I haven't been posting a lot. I know that isn't how it should be, but I'm not going to get replaced when I can reasonably keep up with the game.

I've voted for Xite, demonhybrid, mysterio, singer, bunnylover and Dana.


I'm going to think about my Xite vote. Xite, why were you convinced that dana would claim a guilty on one of his scumpartners? Dana can hardly have been the scums most valuable member.

I really don't like how Demon went from voting me to voting Xite within a few posts.

Except I've never voted you.

[DemonHybrid]

That's two mis-reps in a row, flinter. Want to keep it up?

[Shanba]

Heh. I was actually referring indirectly to gorrad there: explaining why I don't feel like pushing his case further with little bits and pieces. That was addressed to you, it wasn't about you, flinter.

[flinter]

Flinter: I could go back and pick out a whole bunch of semantical things gorrad said, I could spew a whole bunch of theory as to why I completely disagree witha lot of the stuff he pushed, but basically my case boils down to a) I don't think he's scumhunted honestly/hard enough and b)he seems to be looking for entirely the wrong things, leading to him being on a lot of terrible wagons. If that's not enough to convince people, adding a bunch of fluff won't help (or at least it ought not to.) Regardless, I'm coming around to the idea that he and I have different philosophies on what is scummy.

<---- I know it is small, but it really is there.

It's not that we disagree on the basics of the game, I think. I often find myself agreeing with your cases. Practically this entire post I agreed with, and it really made me doubt my Xite-vote.

Both you and Xite have mentioned that I have been on a lot of wagons, but I really doubt that since I haven't been posting a lot. I know that isn't how it should be, but I'm not going to get replaced when I can reasonably keep up with the game.

I've voted for Xite, demonhybrid, mysterio, singer, bunnylover and Dana.


I'm going to think about my Xite vote. Xite, why were you convinced that dana would claim a guilty on one of his scumpartners? Dana can hardly have been the scums most valuable member.

I really don't like how Demon went from voting me to voting Xite within a few posts.

Except I've never voted you.

Hey, you are right. I reread the bit where I thought you did, and my point really doesn't make sense. Sorry.

(what did happen is that you switched from the Wraith wagon to the Xite wagon. Why?)

[DemonHybrid]

flinter, I already explained why =|

[flinter]

Because people think he's scum.

If you want to advocate his lynch, then do so and advocate him for being scum, not "town but distracting". You're still lynching a townie.

Unvote, Vote: Xite91

I know. You went from agreeing with Xite the wagon xite voted for to voting xite. This did seem a little drastic to me.

Maybe I shouldn't worry too much. Maybe you are just a townie who changed his mind.

Gah, I need another reread.

[DemonHybrid]

I never "agreed" with Xite. And Xite never voted Wraith today, from what I recollect.

#3 and #4.

[DemonHybrid]

For the record, it's probably a good idea to get your facts straight before you accuse people or try to post reasoning/opinions.

[flinter]

this must be my lucky day...

Just to confirm, do you understand why I might be alarmed by your vote (considering that I didn't make the last few mistakes in the posts on purpose)?

[DemonHybrid]

Just to confirm, do you understand why I might be alarmed by your vote (considering that I didn't make the last few mistakes in the posts on purpose)?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Nope.

[flinter]

Ok, I'll try again. I hope I won't make an error again.

in post 2115 you vote Wraith. In post 2118 you were arguing with me about it, and you were convinced it was right.

in post 2128 you ask Xite why he is in favor of a Wraith lynch when he has a scumlist with 3 other players on top.

In post 2132 you vote Xite because Xite is in favor of a Wraith lynch but he doesn't think Wraith is scum.

While I fully agree with the logic, but I can't see how this works. First you are convinced that Wraith today's lynch, then you start to investigate someone who is actually agreeing with you.

[DemonHybrid]

The point is way over your head.

First off, let us assume that all scum can do whatever they can and want. Because they can do whatever they can and want.

Second, let us assume that Wraith is scummy. I vote Wraith. However, Xite does not vote Wraith, advocates for his lynch and also says "He's town, but he's distracting."

I vote for Xite with a second option of Wraith. Xite is scummy because he finds town expendable and doesn't care about the alignment of Wraith as long as he dies. Wraith is a second option because he's straight up scummy in his demeanor and wishy-washyness.

Xite's advocating of Wraith with no vote could mean Xite scum pushing for Wraith scum's lynch to gain town points but not vote for Wraith himself. Xite scum could be pinning suspicion on Wraith town. Xite town has no legit motivation for doing such, so the other two arguments are just moot.