Mafia 119: MURDER AT HOTEL DEATH(GAME OVER)

[RedCoyote]

Ugh, I honestly went over everything a million times. Such a silly error.

Vote Count

silverbullet999(0) -

Jack(2)

- a2rudeboy, PranaDevil
evilpacman18(0) -

curiouskarmadog(1)

- SnakePlissken
LynchMePls(0) -
horrordude0215(0) -

vollkan(1)

- evilpacman18
a2rudeboy(0) -
Pomegranate(0) -

SnakePlissken(2)

- Jack, LynchMePls
PranaDevil(0) -

Not Voting(4)

- curiouskarmadog, vollkan, Pomegranate, horrordude0215

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch

Deadline: November 1st, 2010, 2:00 AM, Central Standard Time

[LimMePls]

Unvote

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote Curiouskarmadog

Why you ask? Well I watched him last night and he visited Demon who is now dead. Something says to me that he's up to no good. wouldn't you?

curious, how did you know that demon was killed?

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote Curiouskarmadog

Why you ask? Well I watched him last night and he visited Demon who is now dead. Something says to me that he's up to no good. wouldn't you?

also, why did you pick me to "watch"? given my role, why was it a good idea to watch me?

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote Curiouskarmadog

Why you ask? Well I watched him last night and he visited Demon who is now dead. Something says to me that he's up to no good. wouldn't you?

Only one problem, watchers see who TARGETS the person they watch, not who the person they watch targets.

Vote: SnakePlissken

oh hell, i didnt even realize he said that? I read track......umm, yeah, think you meant "track" scum

vote snakeplissken.

[curiouskarmadog]

Damnit. What an absolute disaster. Not even a page into the game and I've already made a terrible mistake. I need to nip this in the bud right now. This was not Snake's fault or anyone else's. This was all me. I gave Snake incorrect results. This wasn't a rushed error or anything, just a flat out mistake. There's no way to alter this without making an announcement to the thread, given the role claim. I apologize for that.

fuck, just going to read the fucking thread before posting.

unvote.

soooo, what was he suppose to get...did he actually "watch" me and you gave him "track"?

All that needs to be said from me is that Snake received incorrect results due to a modding error. I take full responsibility for that and apologize.

EDIT: And that I have since given him the correct results. This needs to be said as well.

[curiouskarmadog]

Snake, did you get a new result?....did you actually watch me or track me?

if you did track me, the question still stands...why did you bother tracking me what did you hope to find?

[horrordude0215]

CKD, read the thread

Preview edit: Thank you

[Jack]

fos:ckd

[curiouskarmadog]

fos:ckd

for what jack?

[curiouskarmadog]

also, my question is valid..if he is indeed a tracker, why waste the tracking on me?...

[Jack]

Do you usually not finish reading the thread before replying?

[silverbullet999]

jack has a point...

[horrordude0215]

Are you going to comment on the thread silver?

[silverbullet999]

Are you going to comment on the thread silver?

Oh! yeah... That... uh

I'm still working on that...

[curiouskarmadog]

Do you usually not finish reading the thread before replying?

jack has a point...

you mean EXACTLY like snake just did?

sometimes...

i read it, thought it was scummy voted...once I read what happened, i immediately unvoted.

[silverbullet999]

you mean EXACTLY like snake just did?

Err snake didn't read the thread? eh?

[evilpacman18]

Vote: evilpacman18

explain now

LOL

Hello. Just got home and I'm gonna get settled in and do some reading.

Until then, VOTE: vollkan

I will explain.

This makes no sense. If your reason for suspecting me is strong enough as to justify an insta-vote off the back of (apparently) no reading, then I can't see any circumstance under which you also wouldn't be willing to explain your vote right away. Not assigning any points for this, yet, since I can't see any scum motivation for it; it's just weird basically. That said, I nonetheless want to know your reason for delaying.

My reason is that I wasn't delaying. I had something to do and didn't post the whole argument, I just wanted to put an opening post up to let people know I'm here.

You gotta admit it was a good one too, especially with the number of people on your jock (see above).

SO. In a nutshell, my case on you is that you replace actual scumhunting with just quoting people and applying terms to everything they say and then dictating whether or not those terms are scumslips or not. However, most of these terms can't really be considered scumtells anymore. Let's take lurking for instance. It was a scumtell then people caught on, added a turn to it, scum wised up, and now lurking is practically a town tell because scum know that lurking was a scum tell so they make sure to avoid doing it. We can get into how they can now lurk because it's a town tell and how it's all just WIFOM but I wanna take my argument a different way instead of just saying "all vollkan does is WIFOM" even though I could probably make that work.

He doesn't scum hunt, just iso him. His posts generally consist of two things.

1. This is scummy because term A and term B
2. Question I want you to answer so that I have more terms to apply to your next posts.

Obviously most of his posts stray from this skeleton in some way or another but a very base level, that's been his play this whole game.

That's a subjective justification which is inherently incapale of refutation.

However, I can't see any reasonable basis for thinking that your personal vibe reaction to an emoticon would constitute "bleedingly obvious" evidence of Jack being town.

I've seen traps like this before. Big words and lots of unreadable walls of text trick many players into believe someone is town. I mean [sarcasm]OBVIOUSLY NO SCUM WOULD GO TO THE TROUBLE OF WRITING LOTS OF WORDS TO MAKE THEMSELF SOUND MORE TOWN[/sarcasm].

Espeonage is making perfectt sense.

Seriously? Or just because it happens to be you that he thinks is obvtown?

An example of my second point above.

What if you and Jack are scum buddies, I just thought I might throw out that possibility.

Why are you throwing that out?

Since he's always so eager to talk about how all these terms and actions are scumtells, here's one:

Isn't over-questioning people a scum tell? IIRC on the wiki.

Also that numbers system is pathetic.

Anything else? I'll answer any questions.

[Jack]

that's vollkans playstyle

[evilpacman18]

Policy lynch then?

[SnakePlissken]

Snake, did you get a new result?....did you actually watch me or track me?

if you did track me, the question still stands...why did you bother tracking me what did you hope to find?

Right my now correct result is that no one visited you last night. I'm a watcher.

Also, why are being so jittery over being tracked? You outed your kill yourself? Why you so worried I watched you? Something to hide? I am watching everyone in turn until I die to try and find scum. That's the idea isn't it?

[vollkan]

Do you usually not finish reading the thread before replying?

Is this the reason for your FoS on CKD?

My reason is that I wasn't delaying. I had something to do and didn't post the whole argument, I just wanted to put an opening post up to let people know I'm here.

How much of the gmae had you read by the point at which you voted me?

SO. In a nutshell, my case on you is that you replace actual scumhunting with just quoting people and applying terms to everything they say and then dictating whether or not those terms are scumslips or not. However, most of these terms can't really be considered scumtells anymore. Let's take lurking for instance. It was a scumtell then people caught on, added a turn to it, scum wised up, and now lurking is practically a town tell because scum know that lurking was a scum tell so they make sure to avoid doing it. We can get into how they can now lurk because it's a town tell and how it's all just WIFOM but I wanna take my argument a different way instead of just saying "all vollkan does is WIFOM" even though I could probably make that work.

He doesn't scum hunt, just iso him. His posts generally consist of two things.

1. This is scummy because term A and term B
2. Question I want you to answer so that I have more terms to apply to your next posts.

Obviously most of his posts stray from this skeleton in some way or another but a very base level, that's been his play this whole game.

SO. In an even smaller nutshell, you don't like my playstyle.

I've seen traps like this before. Big words and lots of unreadable walls of text trick many players into believe someone is town. I mean [sarcasm]OBVIOUSLY NO SCUM WOULD GO TO THE TROUBLE OF WRITING LOTS OF WORDS TO MAKE THEMSELF SOUND MORE TOWN[/sarcasm].

Google the following:

site:mafiascum.net AND vollkan AND (walls OR wallz OR verbose)

Then come back and tell me whether you think that my posting style makes me scummy.

[quote="Jack]
Espeonage is making perfectt sense.

Seriously? Or just because it happens to be you that he thinks is obvtown?

An example of my second point above. [/quote]
Which is scummy because?

Since he's always so eager to talk about how all these terms and actions are scumtells, here's one:

Isn't over-questioning people a scum tell? IIRC on the wiki.

Read the words under my name: "The Interrogator".

Why do you think they are there?

Also that numbers system is pathetic.

Which is scummy because?

Policy lynch then?

[/quote][/quote]

VI alert.

1) Not even an attempt to defend your case?
2) Why do you think a policy lynch of me would be pro-town?
3) There's something ironic about the fact that you join this game and attack me for 'not scumhunting' and yet the sum total of your contribution thus far is an argument for my policy lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

Snake, did you get a new result?....did you actually watch me or track me?

if you did track me, the question still stands...why did you bother tracking me what did you hope to find?

Right my now correct result is that no one visited you last night. I'm a watcher.

Also, why are being so jittery over being tracked? You outed your kill yourself? Why you so worried I watched you? Something to hide? I am watching everyone in turn until I die to try and find scum. That's the idea isn't it?

I am not "jittery"..I am trying to figure out if you have been reading the game or if you were scum....if you had been a "tracker" targetting me would have been very foolish...I am a one shot doc/vig....if I killed someone (as scum or town) it would have been obvious who I targetted....if I was a doc, not so obvious, but pointless to track...it was a waste of a track and not very towny.

it is all moot now though...you were a watcher...soooo, it wasnt that bad of a choice.

and given the mod's reaction, think you are probably town.

[curiouskarmadog]

Do you usually not finish reading the thread before replying?

jack has a point...

you mean EXACTLY like snake just did?

sometimes...

i read it, thought it was scummy voted...once I read what happened, i immediately unvoted.

hey jack, you fos-ed me..so please address this

[evilpacman18]

1) Not even an attempt to defend your case?
2) Why do you think a policy lynch of me would be pro-town?
3) There's something ironic about the fact that you join this game and attack me for 'not scumhunting' and yet the sum total of your contribution thus far is an argument for my policy lynch.

1. Nobody has asked me to until you.
2. Because your meta is decidedly anti-town.
3. I'll admit I was unaware of your [moar sarcasm]godly history[/moar sarcasm] and that it was against the rules to suspect you so when I wrote it, it was scumhunting, not a policy lynch suggestion. I'll support a lynch of you for any reason, however, because of number 2. Your meta allows you to get away with not giving opinions. Labeling stuff and giving it a number and then "interrogating" as your entire meta means it would be basically impossible for you to slip, and very easy for you to stay in meta for the duration of a game. A policy lynch on you is fine because you're more of a threat than you actually help.

How much of the gmae had you read by the point at which you voted me?

bout half.