NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[flinter]

I understood the logic. I already said that.

Why were you suspicious of someone who was agreeing with you? Was it because you didn't think your Wraith vote was that good?

[DemonHybrid]

I get what you're saying now. Doesn't make it any less wrong.

By your logic, everyone voting for who I'm voting for is agreeing with me. Everyone voting for who I vote for means I agree with them.

You can vote for the same person and disagree with that person on many levels:

1. Reasons for voting
2. Level of scumminess
3. Motivations

The list goes on and on. And you're still misrepping things.

[flinter]

I get what you're saying now. Doesn't make it any less wrong.

By your logic, everyone voting for who I'm voting for is agreeing with me. Everyone voting for who I vote for means I agree with them.

You can vote for the same person and disagree with that person on many levels:

1. Reasons for voting
2. Level of scumminess
3. Motivations

The list goes on and on. And you're still misrepping things.

I don't have the intention of doing that.

And yes, Xite, in a way, supported your call that Wraith should be lynched. You voted him. I stated I didn't like your vote, even voted you, and you don't ask me questions or FoS me.

It's like I'm missing something. I can't understand why you would seriously consider the possibility that Xite is scum in such a situation. If you can pick Xite, there are so many players you could see as scum.

unvote

[DemonHybrid]

Did you miss the post where I said I can see the town motivation for finding what I did scummy?

I picked Xite cause he doesn't care if we lynch town. I find all players that play by the "policy lynch" standard bullshit and lynch worthy; they just don't care who lives and dies from an alignment perspective. That is leagues scummier than Wraith has been.

Again, I should point you to the "scum can do whatever they want" reasoning that I've stated. Xite and I didn't agree with each other. Xite simply stated that Wraith is worrying too much about too little votes. I said I was changing the amount of votes on Wraith cause he's scummy. He then says Wraith is a good lynch even though he's probably town; he's just a liability, so policy lynch. I find that scummy, so I vote Xite.

So please point out where Xite and I agreed with each other.

[DemonHybrid]

To make it even more specific, Xite's advocation for Wraith's lynch is different than my vote because I don't find Wraith town, and he does, but doesn't mind a Wraith lynch.

[flinter]

To make it even more specific, Xite's advocation for Wraith's lynch is different than my vote because I don't find Wraith town, and he does, but doesn't mind a Wraith lynch.

If you were absolutely convinced Wraith was scum, you wouldn't have changed your vote, and you would certainly not have changed it to someone who actually supported a Wraith lynch. You didn't agree with what Xite said, but Xite did support a lynch on the person you were voting for. Again, if you were convinced Wraith was scum, why would you care what the reasons of other people to support you were?

What made you look at players that support you. And don't answer that Xite did something scummy, we know that. But you have to search before you find something: what made you search the players that supported the same lynch as you did?

[DemonHybrid]

That's bad logic. Like, really bad.

My justification to place a vote on someone is to find the "scummiest" person of the bunch, not confirmed scum.

You have no clue how I play. I change votes all the time, because reads change.

Reads change. Reads change. I'll post that 3 times, because no one ever realizes that or remembers that.

DESPITE READS CHANGING: My read on Wraith DID NOT change. He is still scummy. I find Xite scummier.

I don't care if Xite supported a lynch for who I was voting; his reasoning is terrible and scummy and now I want him to die.

I have no clue what you mean by paragraph two. I didn't search anyone.

[flinter]

I'm pretty sure it isn't bad logic.

but this isn't going anywhere. I'm afraid some players will again complain about the amount of posts they have to read.

[Flameaxe]

Votecount 5.7

Xite [4] (Pacman, Singersigner, DemonHybrid, Wraith)

Bunnylover [3] (Antihero, Gorrad, Eek)
Wraith [2] (Bunnylover, Prozac)
My Milked Eek [1] (Shanba)
Pacman [1] (Xite)

Not Voting [0] (No One.)

Prodding: Bunnylover. Gorrad is on V/LA

With 12 alive, it will take 7 to lynch, and 6 to no lynch.

---

Deadline:

October 14th, 10P MST.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm pretty sure it isn't bad logic.

but this isn't going anywhere. I'm afraid some players will again complain about the amount of posts they have to read.

Pretty sure it was.

Again, check facts, then post case.

Post case and then check facts = bad.

[Xite91]

Missed like 3 posts o.o

And I don't buy Xite's "I wanted to keep the cop alive" excuse. By Day 3, the fact that he wasn't dead or even blocked made it blatantly obvious something was up. And guess what, I WAS RIGHT. Do I have to beat you over the head with this or do I have to shoot myself in the head and flip town before you idiots listen?

AT THIS POINT YOU ARE SCUM TRYING TO RE-CREATE A HUGE WIFOM SITUATION AND IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

In fact, please, do shoot yourself in the head, because you're getting annoying with your bad cases and trying to start WIFOM battles.
Also, OMG u wur rite i will listn 2 u furevurz. You weren't the first person to bring it up AGAIN IIRC and if you were, links plox.
I'll come back to pacman tomorrow.

Unvote, Vote Wraith

To start out I would like to point out that this was my last vote.

@Mod: I'm voting wraith

This cancels out your points against me not voting wraith. Read the game plox DH.

Here's my three:

As of the last few posts, Xite is scummiest, followed by Wraith and Bunnylover.

Xite for pushing a lynch while 1. not voting and 2. thinking the wagoned player is town but still advocating for a lynch, policy or not.
Wraith for AtE, earlier wishy-washy actions, inability to make a case when pressured.
Bunnylover for wishy-washy unvote and backpedaling.

Second, I said that I feel he doesn't scream town, but I'm willing to lynch wraith because my reads have been backwards. If wraith flips scum then I'm going to take a look at the people I don't suspect.
I think I already explained that. Again, that means you need to read.

2134 needs to be read by me, sorry shanba.

I never "agreed" with Xite. And Xite never voted Wraith today, from what I recollect.

#3 and #4.

WRONG. Look at above point. Game reads really different when you pay attention, doesn't it?

[DemonHybrid]

Second, I said that I feel he doesn't scream town, but I'm willing to lynch wraith because my reads have been backwards. If wraith flips scum then I'm going to take a look at the people I don't suspect.
I think I already explained that. Again, that means you need to read.

You're banking on luck then. You're going to use the logic that he's town because you feel he's scummy, but because your reads are off the last few times, you're counting on them being wrong again?

You realize how absolutely dumb that logic is, right? And it doubles as a suspicion cop-out, so, cool.

I kind've ignored it before because it wasn't worth looking at; the outcome is still the same, no matter how backwards it is, and the scumminess is still the same.

[Bunnylover]

Answering to the prod v_v.

[evilpacman18]

I'm staying on the Xite wagon. I don't have much more to add to this day unless something new happens. Avoiding prod.

Also, just for you, Xite, THIS IS FLUFF.

[Xite91]

Second, I said that I feel he doesn't scream town, but I'm willing to lynch wraith because my reads have been backwards. If wraith flips scum then I'm going to take a look at the people I don't suspect.
I think I already explained that. Again, that means you need to read.

You're banking on luck then. You're going to use the logic that he's town because you feel he's scummy, but because your reads are off the last few times, you're counting on them being wrong again?

You realize how absolutely dumb that logic is, right? And it doubles as a suspicion cop-out, so, cool.

I kind've ignored it before because it wasn't worth looking at; the outcome is still the same, no matter how backwards it is, and the scumminess is still the same.

Nope, if Wraith is town, I fully expect people to come after me for it, and I don't mind that because I can get some pretty good reads from wagons on me, as most players can.
Second, it's not dumb logic, it's controversial logic. There's a difference.
And, yes, it is a luck thing I'm going for, but luck can oftentimes be the best thing to use.

[DemonHybrid]

luck can oftentimes be the best thing to use.

No, it's not.

[Xite91]

luck can oftentimes be the best thing to use.

No, it's not.

I said CAN OFTEN be. Not always, but at this point, that's what I'd be willing to lynch based off of.

[flinter]

The more I read this, the more I think that scum wouldn't play this way. It's too easy for scum to lurk.

Shanba was right.

vote MME

. He doesn't do a thing.

[DemonHybrid]

luck can oftentimes be the best thing to use.

No, it's not.

I said CAN OFTEN be. Not always, but at this point, that's what I'd be willing to lynch based off of.

No, it's not.

[singersigner]

Someone asked me to sum up my case on Xite in one sentence...

In response to that, I feel it's kind of ridiculous to ask someone to sum it up "in one sentence," but here goes:
I feel that Xite has been abrasive (anti-town) and somewhat hypocritical (when it comes to how people react emotionally-not the strongest part, but adds to it), and I don't buy his interaction with Dana this game, as it seems like he was only protecting his scum-buddy.

[Antihero]

I'm getting pretty disenchanted with the bunny wagon.
UNVOTE: bunnylover

Someone asked me to sum up my case on Xite in one sentence...

In response to that, I feel it's kind of ridiculous to ask someone to sum it up "in one sentence," but here goes:
I feel that Xite has been abrasive (anti-town) and somewhat hypocritical (when it comes to how people react emotionally-not the strongest part, but adds to it), and I don't buy his interaction with Dana this game, as it seems like he was only protecting his scum-buddy.

First off, the "in one sentence" thing was just so that I didn't get a wall of text.
One of the reasons you're voting Xite is for being abrasive? That's pretty hypocritical.
You also mentioned earlier something about Xite "defending" dana on D1 by "deferring to" the furcolow wagon, which is also also hypocritical since you were on the furcolow wagon yourself (after being on the dana wagon).

For someone going after Xite for "defense of dana", I didn't see you making any particular effort to ever question dana's claim. In fact, I found this:

This whole dana WIFOM thing is making me sick...we need a votecount...I just got engaged...that is all for now.

Congrats on getting engaged.
But still, doesn't the first part of your sentence kind of go along with Xite's logic?

VOTE: singersigner

[Wraith]

Antihero, I want to know why you are continuously skirting around question Xite's play. AFAIK you have attacked everyone except Xite today.

[Antihero]

Well, that's simply not true (me attacking

everyone

except Xite).

I don't think there's any merit to the Xite wagon, quite frankly. Yeah, so she didn't like the WIFOM about dana a couple days ago, so what? Neither did I. I don't see how not going with the flow of "OMG, dana wasn't blocked!!111 SCUMZZZ" makes Xite scum.

[singersigner]

Actually

, the whole WIFOM thing I was speaking of was Xite's defense of Dana. And if you want to look at my questioning, find the post where I was very much questioning why he wasn't roleblocked, etc. I agreed with those questioning Dana's claim, but never with Xite's defense of it.

Where did I say Xite's defense was in deference to Frank? I'd like a quote, please.

[Antihero]

Actually

, the whole WIFOM thing I was speaking of was Xite's defense of Dana. And if you want to look at my questioning, find the post where I was very much questioning why he wasn't roleblocked, etc. I agreed with those questioning Dana's claim, but never with Xite's defense of it.

OK, so why didn't you say that at the time or vote accordingly?

Where did I say Xite's defense was in deference to Frank? I'd like a quote, please.

Here it is:

Bunnylover's too easy right now. I think people are overlooking Xite's defence of Dana, on D3 AND D1

(D1 was more of a deterrence to the Frank wagon than a defense of Dana)

.VOTE: Xite91

I'm interested in seeing how he'll blow up at this one, since that's all I've seen him do this game.

deference was the wrong word, but the concept is still there.