NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[singersigner]

Ok. That wasn't his entire defense of him, though (and I think my understanding was that you thought that it was my entire case of his defense of Dana). That was simply D1. The difference between me and Xite was that Xite was never on the Dana wagon, and I believe it's because he didn't want to bus his partner. D2 and 3 brought in more WIFOM defense. I would've expected a better case for not lynching Dana at that point, and he couldn't present one.

I actually did say it at the time. But my votes don't come until I feel like I'm confident enough in them. Say what you want about "not being confident enough to lynch Dana"...but that's how I feel. I made a mistake with Mysterio, if you remember, but I didn't think I made a mistake with Dana, nor do I think I'm making one now.

[Antihero]

That was simply D1. The difference between me and Xite was that Xite was never on the Dana wagon,

Oh, yes. Because scum can't bus.

Let's go back to that vote:

@Nhammen/Xite's WoT: QFT.

At this point, there's not a whole lot of new information/questions I can bring to the table, but I agree with hiphop (/Xite's response) about the bandwagons. With this many people, chances are a mislynch (unless obvscumslip) will occur, so the best way to extort more reactions is by finishing a bandwagon D1, and seeing where that leads us in the next day.

From what I can tell, Dana's case on Frank is weak, and if they're a scum-pair, it's only to distance himself later, saying, "no hey, look what I did. why would I vote for my scum-buddy??" Unless Dana can provide a better defense of himself, or a better case on someone else, I'm going to VOTE: danakillsu, putting him at L-2 by my votecount.

@Xite...I find myself inclined to agree with your case on Frank, but for now I suppose we will have to wait and see what happens.


And damn you people, you couldn't have spread your responses a little thinner while I was at band camp all day?? That was a lot to catch up on! lol.

So, you agreed with the case on frank, and you're now using the frank wagon against Xite?

Let's take a look back at the frank wagon D1:

Frank

[13] (Xite, Prozac,

danakillsu

,

UA

, singersigner,

mysterio

,

hiphop

,

robbnva

, wraith, Bunnylover,

Benmage

, Gorrad, Reck)

You're relatively close to the front, singer. I don't know why being on this wagon would be any more incriminating for Xite as it is for you.

and I believe it's because he didn't want to bus his partner.

Do you have any evidence to support this?

D2 and 3 brought in more WIFOM defense.

This is a hackneyed argument that really doesn't have much merit. Try again, please.

I would've expected a better case for not lynching Dana at that point, and he couldn't present one.

What?
Why didn't you vote dana then?

I actually did say it at the time. But my votes don't come until I feel like I'm confident enough in them.

Say what you want about "not being confident enough to lynch Dana"

...but that's how I feel. I made a mistake with Mysterio, if you remember, but

I didn't think I made a mistake with Dana

, nor do I think I'm making one now.

Am I missing something here?

[Flameaxe]

Votecount 5.8

Xite [4] (Pacman, Singersigner, DemonHybrid, Wraith)

Wraith [3] (Bunnylover, Prozac, Xite)
Bunnylover [2] (Gorrad, Eek)
My Milked Eek [2] (Shanba, Flinter)
Singersigner [1] (Antihero)

Not Voting [0] (No One.)

Prodding: Fancy Pants Gorrad, Prozac.

With 12 alive, it will take 7 to lynch, and 6 to no lynch.

---

Deadline:

October 14th, 10P MST.

[singersigner]

You're missing the point about Xite not giving any attention to Dana's scummy play at all, but after his cop-claim, I didn't want to lynch. I explained exactly why I didn't have a problem potentially mislynching D1, and now I'm using the information we got from it later. Do you see how that sort of thing works?

I actually don't have to convince you anymore, since I'm fairly certain you won't be swayed. If you don't agree, that's fine. We'll see what happens from there.

I did vote Dana (D3)...not sure what you're getting at...

The last part, sorry, that was awkward...I was just talking about when I vote for someone. Frank was a null-tell->scum for me, but I felt it was more beneficial to finish a wagon, than drag the day on with people wondering who/what/when/where/why to vote after 40+ pages. I was wrong about Mysterio, but felt strong enough to put a vote on him. By D3, I felt Dana's claim no longer added up, and felt no qualms about lynching him. I feel the same about Xite. Aside from RVS, I won't just put a vote on someone unless I feel strongly about it (without implying that I was making a point for pressure).

[Antihero]

You're missing the point about Xite not giving any attention to Dana's scummy play at all, but after his cop-claim, I didn't want to lynch. I explained exactly why I didn't have a problem potentially mislynching D1, and now I'm using the information we got from it later. Do you see how that sort of thing works?

No.

I actually don't have to convince you anymore, since I'm fairly certain you won't be swayed. If you don't agree, that's fine. We'll see what happens from there.

Wait ... what? Convince me to do what? Unvote you?

I did vote Dana (D3)...not sure what you're getting at...

*looks back at Flameaxe's vote count*
*looks back at singer's ISO*
I don't see you voting at all Day 3. Am I missing something? If so, please point me to it.

The last part, sorry, that was awkward...I was just talking about when I vote for someone. Frank was a null-tell->scum for me, but I felt it was more beneficial to finish a wagon, than drag the day on with people wondering who/what/when/where/why to vote after 40+ pages. I was wrong about Mysterio, but felt strong enough to put a vote on him.

By D3, I felt Dana's claim no longer added up, and felt no qualms about lynching him.

I feel the same about Xite. Aside from RVS, I won't just put a vote on someone unless I feel strongly about it (without implying that I was making a point for pressure).

Then why wasn't this feeling accompanied by a vote, like it is now? The point still stands unless I somehow missed a vote you say you made yesterday.

[singersigner]

Oh shit, I didn't actually vote him...



Anyway, no, you can leave your vote on me, that's fine. I just know you're not going to be convinced to vote for Xite, so I'm leaving my argument at that.

[Antihero]

OK, that's all I need from you singer.

Now, everyone.

Do you all see the epic backtracking singer is doing here to justify her flimsy Xite vote?

[Porochaz]

OK, that's all I need from you singer.

Now, everyone.

Do you all see the epic backtracking singer is doing here to justify her flimsy Xite vote?

I'll look at that later. For now, my vote is on Wraith and from what I have read, the singer case does not interest me much.

[Wraith]

OK, that's all I need from you singer.

Now, everyone.

Do you all see the epic backtracking singer is doing here to justify her flimsy Xite vote?

Xite is still scummier. I still don't understand how you can't see that.

[Xite91]

I would've expected a better case for not lynching Dana at that point, and he couldn't present one.

I would've expected a better case for lynching Dana at that point, and no one could present one.

OK, that's all I need from you singer.

Now, everyone.

Do you all see the epic backtracking singer is doing here to justify her flimsy Xite vote?

Xite is still scummier. I still don't understand how you can't see that.

Probably because you haven't said how. You're trying to get me lynched based on everyone's suspicions but no one's valid case. (I've disproved everything addressed at me, and if I've missed anything then point it out to me and I'll take care of that too)

Sorry guys, trying to get a job and have no internet access at home which = me not being able to post very much per day.

[Wraith]

I HAVE said how. About three times now.

[Xite91]

I HAVE said how. About three times now.

Then I probably already addressed and disproved it, again quote anything I haven't if you like and I gladly will.

[singersigner]

I HAVE said how. About three times now.

Then I probably already addressed and disproved it, again quote anything I haven't if you like and I gladly will.

"Disproved it."

[flinter]

singer convinced me in the last few pages.

Xite, stop looking at this as a debate. It isn't one. It isn't about "disproving things", and it is very unlikely you can disprove everything.

[Xite91]

singer convinced me in the last few pages.

Xite, stop looking at this as a debate. It isn't one. It isn't about "disproving things", and it is very unlikely you can disprove everything.

You're right, disproved is probably the wrong word, but at least addressed it and showed where his reasoning and/or interpretations were wrong.

[Wraith]

I only remember you addressing my weakest points, most of which weren't even in my WoTs.

[Xite91]

I only remember you addressing my weakest points, most of which weren't even in my WoTs.

Then point out what I didn't, or at least give me a link to what it "didn't" and I will either gladly do so or point out where I did.

[Flameaxe]

No changed votes.

Prodding: Everyone. I'm just going to send a mass prod to save time. Obviously I can see there are some of you who have posted very close to this prod. Ignore it if you are in that position.

[Xite91]

lulz, prodded and I just posted
Holy crap guys, deadline's tomorrow, we need to get cracking.

[Bunnylover]

lulz, prodded and I just posted
Holy crap guys, deadline's tomorrow, we need to get cracking.

Im afraid no one going to respond so the deadline will appear :<

[Flameaxe]

lulz, prodded and I just posted
Holy crap guys, deadline's tomorrow, we need to get cracking.

I changed the activity rules to 48 minutes instead of 48 hours.

[Shanba]

Oh jesus, deadline tomorrow. A choice between poison, guillotine or the electric chair. All these viable wagons suck is what I'm saying.

Unvote Vote Bunnylover

putting him at 3. I'll vote for one of wraith/thingy if I have to.

[Xite91]

lulz, prodded and I just posted
Holy crap guys, deadline's tomorrow, we need to get cracking.

I changed the activity rules to 48 minutes instead of 48 hours.

I lol'd a bit.
Anyways, I'd say I still prefer someone from my list of 3, and I'd still like everyone else's list as well.

[evilpacman18]

Xite
Wraith
DemonHybrid

[evilpacman18]

Well since I believe Xite is the SK my third scum choice is a toss-up. I don't really have one.