Open 253: Sea Container C9++ [GAME OVER]

[mongoose]

Got an avatar. I hate these size restrictions.

I still dont like mothrax after yesterday, but I'll leave that, its pretty much beating a dead horse, as said earlier.

reply to JMJ: I never really like RVS. I think nothing ever comes of it, really. I haven't played enough to meta people. I was saying I find it hard analyze rvs, not that I dont make an effort. I told you what I thought, that is all. The point of someone posting an argument is for people to buy into it. If agree with that post, then you should say you do. I got most of my thoughts from his post. He persuaded me, or at least gave me ideas, which I expanded upon and adapted so it would fit my view

[a2rudeboy]

v/la until Monday... I has mono, and need the recovery time.

[andrew94]

Oh my god quit squirming.
First, WIFOM is not asking "what if." It's circular reasoning and questions that can't be proven one way or the other. The kind that gets nobody nowhere and only chews up time.
Second, it's not your job to instruct the town who to lynch, regardless of how close the deadline is. It's up to the players to make their own decisions, and trying to get in the way of that is anti-town, if not flat-out scummy.
Third, derp I can't get suspicion off of me so I'll try to get suspicion onto an easy-target lurker.
Fourth, derp don't lynch me cuz I'm a power role.
Fifth, #139 is closer to WIFOM than how you defined it. "I can't be scum because if I was scum I wouldn't have claimed roleblocker." Well we only know that based on your words.
Sixth, just because nobody should out themselves doesn't mean that you're not hoping that someone would be reckless enough to.
And lastly, two double posts followed by a triple post seems to me like you're grasping at straws to get away from the spotlight.

We're at L-2 right? I want to make sure I have my count right before I vote.

ok this is the original post that was directed at sa. first, he explains wifom. 2nd post is the only good thing that he said, the rest is all filler- for explain saying that i am an easy target lurker- pls look at other more lurkers. then 4th point suggests that he knows sa is a pwoer role. then 5th is more wifom explaining. then double post triple thing isnt grasping? i double triple post regularly. then finally, he wants to make sure vote count right.
that might be nothing but... he might want to wagon lol...

so thats the post that strikes me as full of filler, gut feeling+ etc = scummy feeling


morthax: case already shown

vote morthax

[BlakAdder]

@jmj: Okay, here's my basically what I was thinking about the SA kill:

Wait, why did SA wind up dead? He was probably the most heavily-pushed wagon yesterday. He probably could have gotten lynched today. And why would they risk wasting a NK if SA drew a doc protect? The fact that he claimed Roleblocker by itself wouldn't be enough, would it? Roleblockers aren't that dangerous for scum. Most likely, there was at least one or two scum pushing the SA wagon.
But wait, that seems too on the nose. It seems too obvious. Maybe the scum have a particular person they want to get lynched today, and that person was pushing the SA wagon pretty hard, so they set up the NK to incriminate him.

And that's when I started thinking along WIFOM lines.

[Mafuyu]

@BlakAdder: The easy interpretation is that they took the safe route. If any of the night-active power roles other than SA-RB existed and succeeded in doing what they were doing, that could not only clear BlakAdder but provide direction for N2. It is safer to cull the claimer and leave the rest of town less knowledgeable than taking the gambit for in the hopes of scoring some other PR.

[andrew94]

@jmj: Okay, here's my basically what I was thinking about the SA kill

Wait, why did SA wind up dead? He was probably the most heavily-pushed wagon yesterday. He probably could have gotten lynched today. And why would they risk wasting a NK if SA drew a doc protect? The fact that he claimed Roleblocker by itself wouldn't be enough, would it? Roleblockers aren't that dangerous for scum. Most likely, there was at least one or two scum pushing the SA wagon.
But wait, that seems too on the nose. It seems too obvious. Maybe the scum have a particular person they want to get lynched today, and that person was pushing the SA wagon pretty hard, so they set up the NK to incriminate him.

And that's when I started thinking along WIFOM lines.

a super fluffy post, roleblockers are damagerous? they roleblock?? how do you know that they are not dangerous... unless...unless..... YOURE THE SERIAL KILLER/ part of mafia with no roles.
my serial killer theroy makes sense because sk attack bypasses doc protect(right?)
me no like ur wifom'ing. me vote you if morthax explain good good

[mongoose]

the other reason they might have killed the highest wagon thinking that he has a better defense and what the second highest wagon lynched. Honestly there are too many possibilities and I think its a waste of time (which as we have seem we tend to lack) to talk about.

[Alduskkel]

Ald, I don't like how you jumped on me for a "policy vote" when I feel my reasons for voting Katsuki were, at that point, entirely justified. ALL SHE DID WAS TALK LIKE THIS AND NOT SAY ANYTHING. She just posted votes. That isn't helpful for the town. At all. Yet, it looks like she's doing something, when in reality she isn't. So, Katsuki/her replacement are still up there, but it'd be a little unfair to vote for the replacement until the replacement gets some kind of speech.

So, how was it a policy vote, exactly?

It seems to me that that is just Katsuki's play style. But I see your point.

Mafuyu's going to go out on a limb here and theorize Mothrax/Alduskkel as part of the scum group. Mafuyu doesn't like how their posts play off one another. In addition, mothrax isn't in a position to be voting people based on perceived skepticism of ineptitude. That is, his argument applies in parallel to his massclaim attempt.

Vote Mothrax

I think you need to be more specific about how our posts "play off one another."

ok, i think that morthrax and katsuki is scum .
because morthrax accuse katsuki, is a weak attempt at bussing.
then he says 'i dont go after replacements' again a weak attempt at stopping the bussing

and well, so i find the relevant quote later

This is a really weak case. Again, scum team hypotheses before any scum flips is really jumping the gun, and it seems to me that you don't have any individual scum tells on either.

OTOH I'm curious to see if SA will get NK'd or not.

Prophetic words sir. Why mention him getting NK'd at all?

As we know, SA was a power role and power roles tend to get NK'd. I was curious how the NK WIFOM would play out. Would he be left alive to be mislynched? Would he be night killed? Would he remain alive because he was scum? It's not important now since that uncertainty has been resolved.

[andrew94]

As we know, SA was a power role

and power roles tend to get NK'd. I was curious how the NK WIFOM would play out. Would he be left alive to be mislynched? Would he be night killed? Would he remain alive because he was scum? It's not important now since that uncertainty has been resolved.

cough cough

[mongoose]

This game is going waaaaay to slow, and we are on pace for another no lynch. Not good.

vote: mothrax

I still don't like the mass claim idea and I haven't seen anything that was very pro-town from him. Most of this stuff has already been explained. If nothing else hopefully this will generate some discussion.

[Nexus]

As we know, SA was a power role

and power roles tend to get NK'd. I was curious how the NK WIFOM would play out. Would he be left alive to be mislynched? Would he be night killed? Would he remain alive because he was scum? It's not important now since that uncertainty has been resolved.

cough cough

Please explain?

You're really good at posting nothing, aren't you?

[andrew94]

what about you who just won another game by lurking huh?

[Nexus]

What is that even supposed to mean? I came in as a replacement in that game, so obviously I'd have posted less.

Derp.

[Nexus]

Right, Andrew, the numbers are like this:

a2rudeboy: 8 posts, v/la in most of them, longest post is 6 lines long.

Alduskkel: 19 posts

Andrew: 40 posts

Yellowbounder/BlakAdder: 1 post, then 12 posts

jmj: 15 posts

Katsuki/Looker: 19 posts+ 1 post from looker, five daysago!

Mafuyu: 17 posts

Mongoose: 16 posts

Mothrax: 21 posts

Nexus: 15 posts

SA: 32 posts

So yes, I have few posts, but I'm pretty similar to everyone else except SA and you. So, how am I anymore lurky than anyone else?

[Nexus]

OH ALSO ANDREW, I draw your attention to this: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2548010

Ergo, your argument about my lurking collapses, since you think meta fails.

[mongoose]

I have a feeling Andrew is just a really stupid townie, though I really feel like lynching him just to shut him up. First off, say more than cough cough. Second off, stop countering an argument with a personal assault regarding a different game. Its pointless and stupid.

[Mafuyu]

VLA till the 19th on account of BLARGHEXAMS

[sirdanilot]

Votecount:
Nexus (1): a2rudeboy,
a2rudeboy (1): Alduskkel
andrew94 (1): mothrax,
mothrax (3): Mafuyu, andrew94,mongoose
Not Voting (4): jmj3000, BlakAdder, Looker, Nexus,

It is now Day 2. With 10 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Deadline is at Monday 25 oct. at 23:59 PM GMT+1

[Looker]

1. Alduskkel - 2. Mafuyu - 3. mongoose

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VOTE: Mafuyu

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[Nexus]

...what?

[mothrax]

Mhere, semi la until tomorrow evening

[mongoose]

remind me how that helps us the slightest?

[mothrax]

hmmmm way to be a dick. It was me anouncing reasoning for my abcense, and my plan to catch up at a certain time, which you can hold me accountable for.

[andrew94]

OH ALSO ANDREW, I draw your attention to this: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2548010

Ergo, your argument about my lurking collapses, since you think meta fails.

yes i think meta fails, but i hate it when ppl say im not saying shit when u have way less s'hit then me

[a2rudeboy]

unvote

@moth- i think mongoose was responding to looker, not your notice of v/la.