Mini 1046 - Murder in the Desert (Game Over!)

[boberz]

Cheers Ythill, I think my meta is pretty consistent but I dont play enough games for people to believe my day 1 play is like that as both, which means epic early wagon. ALthough I am not always as clueless as I am in this and Mafia in Mendo. But I always seem to end up as a bit clueless

Also loads of people were chatting about the obv town nature of Lowell. I dont disagree but it is much too easy for experienced player to use meta knowledge as obv town. It is much harder to accept that until you have seen it for real.

[WeaponsofMassConstruction]

RAEG. I am pissed.

Probably wouldn't have gotten boberz though.

And, yeah, Lowell town.

[boberz]

How come everyone in the dead qt had me and nobody in the game? Is there some kind of deathbed revelation.

[Oso]

I think it has to do with the pressure being taken off. Clears up the thinking a bit. I've been a part of one other dead QT late in the game and the players there had it pretty much doped out by the time I arrived.

[xvart]

And I wanted to say that the reason I was so absent for those few days is that I witnessed a domestic abuse on the campus where I worked, and since I am also the conduct officer at the school I was totally bogged down with police reports, incident reports, interviewing people, politicking, etc. that my focus was totally elsewhere. I never offer excuses during games unless specifically asked because I don't think personal life should bleed into the game and I really wouldn't even want to offer an option for someone to accuse me of making it up since I would fly off the handle (not that anyone would have this game).

I think it has to do with the pressure being taken off. Clears up the thinking a bit. I've been a part of one other dead QT late in the game and the players there had it pretty much doped out by the time I arrived.

I think it also has to do with the fact that there is no consequence to what anyone says. There are no repercussions since everyone is already dead. I know on occasion (however rarely lol) I filter myself in games because of not have the political clout to push through what I'm saying or haven't really been able to comprehend the fallout.

Nic - I thought the game was ran excellently. Great flavor for a normal and everything was run smoothly. Kudos on the first moderating. I would not hesitate to enlist in another of your games.

xvart.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Also, as a first time mod, how do you think I did? Any comments/suggestions/critiques about improving for the future?

This was your first game? Really? Wow, it came across to me as very polished and refined, like you had done this dozens of times. Excellent job.

Bub. Dude I'm not going to tear apart your play but man, you need to work on your Day 1 scum game.

I totally agree. One of these days I might actually survive to a decent point in a game as scum. Maybe...

And I also hope that my self-hammer/staged implosion didn't make anybody think I was insane. I was just trying to distract the town away from Boberz, who I thought was getting lynched on D-2 for sure.

[charter]

I actually thought long and hard about why you self hammered. I thought for sure it had to be because you were happy how the day went, and you were cementing one of your buddies in a town spot with some distancing, which pointed me to boberz. In the end I just chalked it up to you being a noob cracking under pressure. Oh well.

[Nicodemus]

You did a great job modding. That doesn't get said very often anymore, either.

d(''d) GJ Nic.

The modding was attentive and good I really enjoyed this game.

Nic - I thought the game was ran excellently. Great flavor for a normal and everything was run smoothly. Kudos on the first moderating. I would not hesitate to enlist in another of your games.

This was your first game? Really? Wow, it came across to me as very polished and refined, like you had done this dozens of times. Excellent job.

Thanks a lot guys, your praise is very much appreciated. Definitely sign up for Slaxx's and my game when it gets going, it's gonna be the shiz.

I liked the hell out of your flavor.

You know, there is a thread where comments like these could be taken to their full potential. Hint, hint.

[Slaxx]

he liked the hell of it, not loved the hell out of it. Geez

[Parama]

*goes and reads game's flavor*

<___<

[Slaxx]

i ctually read it since nic and I are IRL friends. its an obligation.

SIGNUP FOR OUR MINI NORMAL WHEN YOU SEE IT KTHX

[Xine]

One thing I have taken from this game is that nightkill speculation is a good idea. on two different occasions I had Oso/Socrates pegged as scum based on nightkills. once on Boberz too. none of my other scumhunting ideas got me anything good.
this was a cool game, thanks everyone

[Oso]

Xine, did you have any thoughts/plans on how to counter an accusation that you(scum) used a Town Doc to fake-confirm you by no-killing on a night you were almost 100% sure you would be his protection target?

You would have definitely gotten some help with that from Slaxx but he's the only one between him and Weapons that you would have gotten that support from. Especially since you and Slaxx had me and him paired as a scum team.

Had you tracked me and got me killing DH, I'm curious as to how you would have countered a bogus track accusation on my part. Especially as Weapons was town but would have been very willing (or at least open to) believing the crap I would have fed out? Or I think he would have been at that point.

How about the day it happened? Same question but a day earlier and it came from an actually townie this time instead of scum.

[Oso]

The reason I ask is that one thing I have always been unable to not do (even as town) is try and figure out the best way to lynch a PR. Not NK them but rather get them lynched and do it in a way that won't backfire on me.

Call it an intellectual exercise...or a really twisted sense of fun.

[Xine]

Would I have even gotten a result on you, being the godfather? If I had and you claimed bogus result, I would have not argued very much, just voted you, and told the town to not be dumb, pretty much. As far as the idea that as scum I would have pulled a no kill, when there was a claimed doctor, is just silly. I can't think of any reason I would do that. but maybe I'll see a different perspective whenever I get the chance to play as scum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The reason I ask is that one thing I have always been unable to not do (even as town) is try and figure out the best way to lynch a PR. Not NK them but rather get them lynched and do it in a way that won't backfire on me.

Call it an intellectual exercise...or a really twisted sense of fun.

Balance considerations pretty clearly pointed to Xine being town. Early on lynching a PR just requires a higher burden of proof and later on and later on it tends to be pretty clear whether there are scum among the claimed PRs.

[Oso]

Good points with both.

Mainly an exercise on my part mentally. I was curious though if in her speculation, even if it was just in her mind, if it had occurred to her that scum might have done something like deliberately?

Honestly, on the no-kill night (even though I knew from reading the mafia thread when I returned that it was a confluence of errors that caused it) I was very surprised that hardly any mention/discussion was made of it. Not from scum but from town.

I can only imagine DH's thoughts on the morning he found he was still alive. "WTF, I'm still alive?" Paranoid bastard that I am, I would have least mentioned (were I in DH's shoes) that after I was out of the thread to be at least open to the possibility that scum had just used me to 'confirm' one of their members.

Or maybe he did and I missed it. There was alot I just skimmed while I was gone and this was one big thread.

[Oso]

Oh, and yes Xine. Being Godfather (in this game at least) only protected me from a Cop (which we didn't have). Any other role would have worked as advertised. Had you tracked me that last night you would have found that I visited DH.

[Nicodemus]

That was actually the idea I mentioned in the QT Oso. By no-killing N3, mafia were able to ensure lylo on D5 rather than mylo on D4. If Xine

had

been scum, this would have been the perfect play, because the town wouldn't be in a situation where they no lynched to get to lylo, only to find that the claimed tracker didn't die during the night.

[Bub Bidderskins]

The one thing that surprised me this game was that Boberz survived until the end. It seemed like he got at least some suspision every day, from D-1 right up to D-5, and yet he was never lynched. Was that more a failure of the town or was it more a sucess on Boberz' part.

[xvart]

I would say a failure on the towns part. Like I said, I was about to go after him during my initial demise but didn't think I could pull it together, then Slaxx hit the scumdar hard. I want to go back and look at his D1 bus and see what it was and how great it was (as everyone is saying).

xvart.

[Xine]

good point nic, I wouldn't have thought of that.
Bob did a good job, and town failed, I just need to learn to trust myself more, I kept second guessing all my good reads, wish me luck on that...

[xvart]

I didn't mean for that last post to be demeaning towards Boberz; I should have said a nice combination of both. Boberz did do a nice job in the later days, but I don't think he was immune.

You are right, one of my posts didnt come out yesterday. I made a detailed case and vote on Bub Buddikins. I will do it again in a sec.

unvote vote Bub

Sorry.

Boberz - did you really forget to vote Bub or was this post a lie?

xvart.

[Oso]

Before I read the mafia QT when I got back from my trip (I read the thread first) I had convinced myself that boberz/Soc were convinced that DH had been lying. If I remember the timing correctly, DH claimed last didn't he?

Wouldn't be the first VT to claim Doc at the end of a massclaim to draw the night kill....I remember thinking to myself, "No, they didn't do that..." and that the no-kill night actually was an attempt on Xine.

[DemonHybrid]

Good points with both.

Mainly an exercise on my part mentally. I was curious though if in her speculation, even if it was just in her mind, if it had occurred to her that scum might have done something like deliberately?

Honestly, on the no-kill night (even though I knew from reading the mafia thread when I returned that it was a confluence of errors that caused it) I was very surprised that hardly any mention/discussion was made of it. Not from scum but from town.

I can only imagine DH's thoughts on the morning he found he was still alive. "WTF, I'm still alive?" Paranoid bastard that I am, I would have least mentioned (were I in DH's shoes) that after I was out of the thread to be at least open to the possibility that scum had just used me to 'confirm' one of their members.

Or maybe he did and I missed it. There was alot I just skimmed while I was gone and this was one big thread.

I was very stunned that I was still alive, yes. But I immediately started making conclusions after a few seconds.