Mini 1070 The Godfather:Hunt for Sollozzo (GAME!)

[Thor665]

@RedCoyote - an actual RVS would be anti-town. RVS is really simply a low information stage. The votes count and really none of them are random, they're just made with a derth of information.

You still haven't explained why FG's stated desire to vote the highest bandwagon (and as I recall, he never even did this after saying he would) equates to him being scummy. Let's focus on that since it actually matters at the moment. The extent of your scum read on it is "it wasn't random" I don't see how that suggests he was scum, nor why he would announce the plan, nor why he then wouldn't follow through with it.

[Andrius]

Checked for prods. None needed at the moment.
Carry on.

- Don Andrius "The Baker" Corleone

[RedCoyote]

If it's not random (like I was originally arguing to begin with, it was you and FG who, for some reason, felt the need to even bring RVS discussion into this at all, by the way) then my original point stands. Frankly, it doesn't matter whether he used his vote or not, it's selling out your vote and it's faking content. If you don't agree with that, I'd rather you just say that then try to sell me some garbage about how it's in the RVS or whatever.

Actually, him actually not following through makes it all the more worse. "There's no highest vote getter, so I guess I can't use my vote" was basically what he was implying at that point. Moreover, his attempt (and you coming to his aid for whatever reason) to play damage control and try to convolute the issue by insisting that it was somehow tied to the RVS (you bring it up in post 191, then FG decides that's a good defense and runs with it in post 194), makes it look all the more worse.

Additionally, as I was going back over the exchange, I'm really put off by both Kat and Zajnet's votes. Zajnet's vote was already addressed. He's given us nothing except for the position that he doesn't like to switch his vote and then piggybacks on those voting me. He's not giving any sort of unique content. Kat's vote, while it would've been fine if she would've taken the time in here to engage me, now sticks out like a sore thumb. She basically says, "Meh, don't have time for the game, just, like, vote RC since I voted him before. Whatever." The fact is, she does have time for the game. She feigns interest here, but anyone can go look at Kat's sitewide posting history and see that she's not only posting but actually staying very active in

multiple

games. So she's active lurking without a doubt.

In other words, I would like to see some votes on FG, Kat, or Zajnet. I think these are all good places to work with, and I'd like more people than just Thor to either agree with me or engage me.

[Katsuki]

If a bunch of "Oh hai guys I'll catch up this weekend" posts constitutes as

"staying very active in multiple games"

, then I'd love to see what "non-active" kat looks like.

Do not throw out baseless accusations, RC.

[RedCoyote]

There are a couple of those types of posts, but there's more to it than that. Look, I'm not going to go into ongoing game territory, but there's a game where Kat posted 10 or 11 times on Tuesday alone. I'm not saying the same effort should be matched across all of her games, but when you haven't given us a decent post in a week, that's a more than a little noticeable.

Anyways, don't take my word/Kat's word for it. Go look at her history yourself and come to your own conclusions.

[Thor665]

@RedCoyote - I still don't understand why you think FGscum would do the actions he's done in your mind. You keep kind of vaguely shuffling around and pointing and bemoanng his action all while failing to be able to describe how the action is actually scummy.

The FG vote is terribad.

Unvote: RedCoyote

That said, I'm pretty sure the source isn't scum - this is just too weak of a plan methinks, and he legitimately believes it, which makes me think he's town. Purblind as a town tell? Yeah, I just did that. Will need to do a re-read (or at least claim to ) to decide where I want to be now. My reads are all muddled currently.

[Exilon]

Ok, catch up post, GO

One thing before I delve into the next pages. Far_cry needs to be confronted for his post #130. It's funny to see how you just unvote me without even adressing this post, then say you need more time to go over my posts, and then don't make any further comment about it.

And I think I forgot to comment on this, probably because it seemed so incoherent as a post from Far_cry (check my post to see what I'm talking about, linked above).

I don't like the way Exilon plays.
He's trying to look townie. I think it is more important to scum because they can win only by surviving for a long time. Townies hunt scum instead intensively.
He's also making posts which has many general things in it. I think it is scummy, because it is makes townies believe Exilon's town if they agree with his statements.

He's the most suspicious to me now.

Unvote
Vote: Exilon

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What is this, I don't even-
It's like Wingless stole 3 or 4 lines from Far_cry's post, placed them in his own post, then added something just so it sounds more original.

He's trying to look townie. I think it is more important to scum because they can win only by surviving for a long time. Townies hunt scum instead intensively.

I can't see the sense in this quote. He states 3 pieces of information, and makes no logical connection among them, or explains what exactly he is accusing me of.
Ok, I'm trying to look townie - how so? Does it seems like I'm trying to survive for a long time (and if yes, how so)? Or am I hunting scum intensively? And if yes, how does it differ in the sense that my scumhunting is scummy in itself?

He's also making posts which has many general things in it. I think it is scummy, because it is makes townies believe Exilon's town if they agree with his statements.

Aside from the grammar abuse, what do you consider to be 'general things'? And since when does one consider another one townie because he agrees with them? Basically, I think this sentence is just baseless and unfounded. Agreeing with someone does not mean you find them town- that might work for you, but not for me.

So please either clear your acusations up, provide a proper explanation or just change your vote, cause the way it is right now, it looks like you just looked for something to excuse a vote.

Ok, moving along now.

Exilon I think I need answers. Why are you making general statements? Why do you want to control the town?

Without repeating what I said above:
A) Define 'general statements'.
B) What makes you think I want to control the town? Show evidence of this.

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Not linking Zajnet follow-up vote to Katsuki, specially because of the similar wording which is striking me as a very bad case of parrotry. One says 'never should have unvoted', the next says 'the vote which I haven't used all game'. Maybe this is baseless, but I got a strange vibe. Also, the timestamps. I actually like RC's point made on 175, which gets carried to 190.

Explain why. He said he had a role that would get him killed. I asked why he said that. Where's the rolefishing? I think you're skimming over the issue a bit.

DUDE GOD DAMNIT I DIDN'T SAY I HAD A ROLE THAT'D GET ME KILLED FOR THE MILLION'TH TIME. I THINK THE REASON WHY OTHER SAY IT'S ROLEFISHING AND YOU DON'T IS PRECISELY THAT. BECAUSE YOU MISREAD AND MISUNDERSTOOD AND MISACQUIRED THE MEANING OF THE SENTENCE. No, seriously, sometimes a small change in grammar or wording can alter the whole thing.

big LOL at Thor's Thor's 193.

There's really nothing else I can say. Unless I've misunderstood it, I agree with RC here.
That said, Bub's still a good place for my vote to rest.
where the heck is BV, btw?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Sorry I haven't been able to weigh in too much. Too much to do, so little time. In anyway, I will begin reading RC for more details, but as it stands, I don't see anything generally too scummy about him, but there may be some specific things that I've missed.

Also, Pacman hasn't done much since his early day fight with Thor.

@Pacman: What's up?

[RedCoyote]

Pacman, Zajnet, and bv could all use a prod if you ask me.

[Thor665]

pacman declared a lengthy v/la and won't be back till after deadline.

I'm planning to psychotically tunnel him tomorrow because of this.

@Exilon - you, RC, and myself ought to debate RVS methodology sometime.

Vote: Bub Bidderskins

[Exilon]

possibly we should.
Did I miss the explanation of that vote?

[Wingless]

I think i'll reread the things tomorrow.

[StrangerCoug]

Would someone do or point me to a quick summarizaton of the case on RedCoyote?

[Thor665]

Psssh, get on the Bub wagon, it has mocha.

[RedCoyote]

@Exilon - you, RC, and myself ought to debate RVS methodology sometime.

Hah, sure.

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Mod

, don't be afraid to throw that prod around. They signed up for this game, and they need to play or get out.

We're wasting precious D1 time on inactivity here, and the scum are loving every minute of it.

[Wingless]

I am now rereading this whole topic because it is very chaotic and has a lot of content.

[Bub Bidderskins]

vote: Bub Bidderskins

Vote explanation fail.

As far as RC is concerned, I don't see anything especially scummy.

BV still hasn't contributed anything.

[Thor665]

@Bub - RCwagon is dead to me at the moment. I want my vote to be useful and not sidelined. If you cry unless you hear a reason then my reason is; gut.

You're welcome.

[StrangerCoug]

Psssh, get on the Bub wagon, it has mocha.

Why him then?

[Thor665]

Because I'm pretty sure Red Coyote is town because he wasn't advancing his case with scummy intentions but rather that he believed it. So, get on someone who isn't town.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not asking why you think RedCoyote is town; I noticed him getting a lot of negative attention that I couldn't understand, so I inquired about it. Since we agree that RedCoyote is likely town, a case on Bub would help me.

[Thor665]

Ah, thought you were seeing if you wanted in on the RC wagon.

I'm being pretty honest about the gut thing for Bub - something about the way he's playing just twigs me wrong. I haven't got any brilliant cases as currently stands. I probably want him, pac, or you to be the lynch today and at the moment I'm fairly indifferent as to which. I feel slightly bad running a wagon on a missing guy, and there appears to be more support for a Bub wagon then a SC wagon so...

[FakeGod]

hey Wingless, any results on that reread you did?

I also don't think RC is scum. (hence I never joined in the bandwagon)

Bub wagon is meh, though Bub just try to shift attention to bv?

[FakeGod]

@Everyone: feel free to ask me to comment on anything else on your mind

[StrangerCoug]

The only thing I see iffy about Bub Bidderskins is his ISO #11. Everything else he posted is fine. As for pacman281292, I do think his early play is problematic as he takes until his ISO #7 to post anything semi-decent, but he did seem to be making an effort in scumhunting when he was here.

That said, I'm not really motivated to get my vote off Exilon.