Open 258 --- Night Watch --- Game Over

[nameloc1986]

andrew only one needs to watch you

But one watcher won't know what the other watcher is doing.

[drmyshottyizsik]

true

[curiouskarmadog]

there is no reason for both watchers (assuming that we do have 2 watchers left) to watch andrew...i dont like where this conversation is going..lets not direct the watchers..if scum think that the watchers are going to exclusively watch andrew..they are free to kill whoever they want without worry....let them worry about who to kill....if Hop does flip a fucking watcher, then no need to waste your time watching andrew.

[jasonT1981]

there is no reason for both watchers (assuming that we do have 2 watchers left) to watch andrew...i dont like where this conversation is going..lets not direct the watchers..if scum think that the watchers are going to exclusively watch andrew..they are free to kill whoever they want without worry....let them worry about who to kill....if Hop does flip a fucking watcher, then no need to waste your time watching andrew.

I fully agree, if we begin to direct watchers, that then becomes open to scum influence. Watchers should watch whoever they feel they should watch. I had an issue like this once in a game where I had a day cop ability. I opened it to town discussion who I should investigate and it was scum influenced. Scum have voices too in this game, we can not allow power roles to be open to minipulation from scum.

And yes if Hop does flip.... Andrew has some explaining to do tomorrow.

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

Final Vote Count Day 1

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch
HopOnMyJoystick is the current wagon leader at lynch

HopOnMyJoystick (6):

andrew94, Antihero, Nameloc1986, curiouskarmadog, drmyshottyizsik, ooBAZZoo

Antihero (1):

Empking

nameloc (1):

Zdenek

drmyshottyizsik (1):

jasonT1983

andrew94 (1):

HopOnMyJoystick

not voting:

Dry-Fit

jasonT1981 is V/LA Saturday 30th until Tuesday 2nd

Empking replaces 2003041. Thank you!


deadline is Tuesday, October 26, 10:00 A.M. EST

Lynch Reached!

As the day wore on, everying in the square threw around suspicions. However, the most common belief among them all was that HopOnMyJoystick had acted scummy during the day's events, and so repeatedly was under fire.

People: "Why did you do that?

vote

"
Joystick: "Well, uhh, because I did. Hmm...well, this reason. That's the reason I did that."
People: "Oh. ok.

unvote

"
Joystick: "Phew, that was close."
People: "Hah! Knew you were scum!

vote

"
Joystick: "What?"

Eventually, the scattered votes did seem to converge on Joystick, and near the end, the town heard a startling claim from Joystick. "I'm a Watcher!"
"Liar!" called out Andrew from the crowd immediately. "Through incredibly lucky happenstance and improbable odds that you got close to lynch and claimed a power role, I investigated you and know that you are not, in fact, what you claim to be!"
"Fine then!" replied Joystick, seeing the noose near at hand. "You're a liar, but you'll never take me alive!" And so, Joystick tried to hang himself.

"Dude," nameloc called from the crowd. "You're not near lynch yet. But I can help!

vote

"
"oh," replied Joystick, flustered by the miscalculation. "Well, I'm still a watcher...so, Andrew is scum. Yeah."

At this time, everyone decided that it would be in their best interests to vote him, and soon, he was lynched.

"The mafia," Joystick said as his last words. "They ruined everything. They took everything from me. And now that i joined them, I have to die. I thought I would be good at this. Because that's what it is. Killing makes the world go round. Good luck, my scumbuddies."

HopOnMyJoystick,

Mafia Goon

, was lynched Day 1

Have your actions in by Tuesday, October 26 10:00 A.M. EST.

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

smashbro and Beefster sat on their clouds, playing cards, when the newest arrival joined them.
"You killed me?" Beefster asked Joystick, after seeing the flip. Joystick merely shrugged.
"Didn't really work out for me, did it?" he replied.
"You want to play?" smashbro asked, as a cloud chair appeared out of nowhere.
"You're letting him join us?!? He's scum!?!"
"Meh, why not? it doesn't matter up here. Now shh, this is gonna be interesting." The three peered down into the morning.

----------------------

The 10 members of the town gathered together in the square on the next morning. But something surprised them. They counted, recounted, and counted again. One town member stared at his hand, turning it over every few seconds, while others went around and poked each other, asking, "Are you dead?" By noon, every decided that not only would they get lunch, but their math was right, and no members had died during the night. Well, it was time to get to lynching.

So...let the voting begin. I opened it early because I won't be here at 10:00 tomorrow, and all people were accounted for/presented actions during the night. Deadline will be 11/15 11:00 PM

[drmyshottyizsik]

So... we got nothing.
Andrew what say you?

[Antihero]

Nothing? We have a scum flip. I also don't see what andrew's going to tell us that's going to be helpful right now.

Should the hider go ahead and claim? I don't see the harm since apparently the mafia already knows who he is, and having confirmed town is never a bad thing.

From the fact that 2K3 semi-active lurked through yesterday, I'm already not liking his player slot, but I'll give Empking a chance. The fact that dry-fit never got a vote out yesterday also bothers me a bit...

[nameloc1986]

Hmm....this is interesting....no one died? I guess that means the scum tried to kill the hider and he successfully hid right?

@Shotty: You realize that Andrew can't detect scum right? He can only detect power roles. You're asking him to give away a power role that could be targeted.

FOS: Shotty

[Antihero]

Actually,

Andrew, don't claim results yet

. We might need you to catch the scum in another lie, like you did yesterday.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I wasn't asking him to claim his results. I just wanted to know what he thought about this, also I think the hider REALLY! need to claim, also any CC's for hider should be voiced as well seeing as how the mafia already knows who the hider is.(unless they targeted no one)

[nameloc1986]

Alright, I may as well come forth with this: I am the

hider

. I'm not going to reveal who I hid behind just yet though. I don't want to give the scum a target by revealing a confirmed townie.

P. Edit: Bull Shit, you were asking him what his results were, why else would you ask him anything? Also I DARE any of the scum to counterclaim. Doing so would be foolish since the lynch of one of us would reveal the other to be scum.

[andrew94]

dude nameloc, whats the watcher for- its for watching confirmed townies.

what about night 0 , did u hide or not.

finally, emp king is scum as well. i know this for a fact

[drmyshottyizsik]

andrew how do you know that?

[nameloc1986]

dude nameloc, whats the watcher for- its for watching confirmed townies.

what about night 0 , did u hide or not.

finally, emp king is scum as well. i know this for a fact

What do you mean "whats the watcher for"? I didn't say anything about a "watcher".

Night 0, I did not hide. Obviously since it would have been a great risk since I do have any town reads yet.

And how exactly do you now Empking is scum? You claimed RC, which does NOT detect scum.

[Antihero]

dude nameloc, whats the watcher for- its for watching confirmed townies.

what about night 0 , did u hide or not.

finally, emp king is scum as well. i know this for a fact

What do you mean "whats the watcher for"? I didn't say anything about a "watcher".

Night 0, I did not hide. Obviously since it would have been a great risk since I do have any town reads yet.

And how exactly do you now Empking is scum? You claimed RC, which does NOT detect scum.

andrew's making the point that the watcher will watch whoever you confirm as town. True, the watchers can't coordinate their actions, but that's OK, since scum doesn't know who's being watched (gives scum a lot of WIFOM).

[Antihero]

Oh, wait a second. I don't know if the person you hid behind isn't even confirmed anyway (in the role PMs, I'm not seeing that the hider dies if he hides behind scum).

@MOD: Does the hider die if he hides behind scum?

[Antihero]

EBWOP: that "isn't" should be "is"

[nameloc1986]

Oh wait Andrew, did you mean "that's what the watcher is for"? (i thought you were asking a question of me)

Andrew I know that the watcher can watch confirmed townies, but I don't want to draw the watchers attention

publicly

to a target. That would beat the whole purpose of the watchers catching scum in action. If I announce the "confirmed townie" the scum might steer away from the person in fear of being watched. I wish there was a way we can tell one watcher to watch you and the other watch someone else (at random).

P. Edit: @Antihero: I can answer that: Yes I would have.

[Antihero]

If I announce the "confirmed townie" the scum might steer away from the person in fear of being watched.

Well, good. Then that townie sticks around till the endgame.

[andrew94]

the hider dies if he hides behind mafia / person being killed.

therefore if hider doesnt die, the person he hides behind dies.


empking is scum becos joystick wants to replace him

[nameloc1986]

Oh wait, I just epically failed at logic! Xo Sorry guys my brain is trying to think TOO much into it. I probably need to go to bed.

Alright fine, I'm convinced. The person I hid behind was Empking (which blows Andrews theory about him being scum).

P. Edit: I saw that too Andrew and came to the same conclusion, but it was just Joystick being stupid.

And this is not true, I'm not sure where you got this from: "therefore if hider doesn't die, the person he hides behind dies."

What did you mean to say here? I didn't die but the person I hid behind didn't die!

[andrew94]

i meant 'therefore if hider doesnt die, the person he hides behind is town'


anyway, i really hope the 2 watchers both watched me because then they would know who each other is. (this is double confirmation plan)

if not, this is the plan. tonight, nameloc hide behind me 2 watchers both watch me


scernoia 1: they dont kill me --> nameloc is safe + watchers know each other
scernoia 2: they kill me --.nameloc dies as well = the next day, the watcher looks at his number, and the 2 ppl that visited andrew's house (the other watcher and the mafia)
ooBAZZoo 1
andrew94 2
curiouskarmadog 3
jasonT1981 4
drmyshottyizsik 5
Empking 2003041 6
Dry-fit 7
Zdenek 8
nameloc1986 9
Antihero 10


these are the numbers. for example, zdenek is a watcher and he saw that antihero and dry-fit went to my house (and i died)
he is number 8, anti hero is number 10 and dry fit is number 7. he keeps quiet. he lets dry fit talk first.

if dry fit is the other watcher, he will reveal ONE name , the one that is the middle highest number (in this case its zdenek)
then zdenek (if he is the other watcher, he will reveal the 2nd name) - if hes mafia, obviously he cannot guess who the other watcher is, and therefore is scum.

basically, this causes a trade off between me, nameloc and 1 mafia, the 2 watchers also know each other. they then watch each other forever, causing the other mafia to be unable to kill them. 2 watchers > 1 mafia

get it?
therefore we shall not lynch a watcher nor force anyone to claim watcher.
we will lynch the person i investigated last night and i got 'NOt power role'- so he cant be watcher.


pro plan.
ask if u dont understand

[andrew94]

dam, i thought empking was scum = =

there goes the perfect win = =

[Antihero]

andrew, you forgot scenario 3: they don't kill you, they kill one of the watchers. Then, any benefit we might have gotten from this plan would be totally negated.
Since you've proven scenario 2 would result in a scum autoloss, it's not going to happen.

I'm against it.