I've been having a lot of internet trouble today that has made it difficult for me to post today.
When I started this post my vote was L-3, then I lost internet and couldn't put it up and then had to add things...
I kept seeing new things when I would get wireless again and then losing internet before I could put down my updated post haha.
Now it's L-1.
Wall time.
UNVOTE; Vote Zinive this is L - 1 so let's wait for a claim before someone hammers
The discussion that comes near the end of the day is valuable.
I would also be fairly comfortable with a Fernando lynch, but I do prefer lynching Zinive.
In answer to M=W:
To paraphrase Fernando: 'What Zinive did is suspicious, but it seems like a silly thing for a scum to do for reason X'
That looked to me like scumbuddy trying to protect his partner without saying outright "I don't believe Zinive is scum" but also hedges again hoping it doesn't look like obvious team-play. Fernando scum wouldn't as likely bother half-defending town Zinive (though it's not unimaginable), and town Fernando wouldn't likely be hedging/fence sitting so much. I also am unimpressed by Fernando's reason X; he says it's too early for scum to be looking for a lynch, but what Zinive did doesn't mesh with that goal. Instead of voting me Zinive approves of the case against me in a way he can use later on.
It also seems very reasonable to me that Fernando would want to reduce attention on his scumbuddy by redirecting attention
to a badly behaved townie (Shattered).
Zinive also says this about Fernando:
"To FeRnAnDo
His rhetorical question seems odd to me as I thought at that point the RVS had ended already since a discussion had started which is for me the aim of RVS or RQS. His vote on shattered is interesting. People that play like willing and knowingly like assholes are often abused by scum if they are not scum. However as I have stated I am willing to vote on shattered since I consider this kind of play as distracting for the town and thus its a playstyle (shattereds) I consider scummy. If I had to decide now I still would think FeRnAnDo is a townie given the timing of his push against shattered seems unfavorable."
First of all, this is more fence-sitting. You present evidence against Fernando but say you don't believe in it.
You do give a reason for this, but I don't buy it. How is this timing unfavorable? That doesn't make any sense to me.
It also is the same "what my scumbuddy did is suspicious, but seems like a silly thing for scum to do because of reason X" (in this case the timing)
that Fernando does on your behalf.
I am increasingly convinced we have a Zinive/Fernando scumteam given that they're two of the scummiest players individually and their statements toward each other all smell like scumlinks to me.
My reasons for voting Zinive as an individual are mostly covered by other players, but I'll list the most important ones here.
* A pattern of passivity / lack of scumhunting in his posting
* Going after Shattered, who seemed like the obvious lynch-target for scum to pick on (he actually pointed this out himself)
To be fair Shattered has done some scummy stuff, and if Zinive does turn up town my suspicions will be focused there.
* Opportunistically approving suspicion of me when it looked like that might go somewhere
* Fernando also seems scummy and it would make oodles of sense to me if both of them were scum
* The cases made by other players have been by and large quite good
* This last post of his talked too much about less relevant stuff and didn't focus on the meatier arguments (for example he glosses over his abandonment of the case against cruelty, then suddenly jumps back to voting cruelty/AH at the end.)
I'll include my reasons for suspicion of Fernando here too
* On but not posting despite low post count (I check in just to look a bunch, but I also post a lot)
* After Shattered, who looks like scum targeting-bait.
* Hedged his late RVS vote
* Fencesat on Zinive
* Zinive's scumminess and the apparent scumlink
* When I read his posts they make more sense to me if I go in assuming he's scum.
Things I want from Zinive:
A claim
A thorough explanation of your attitude toward Fernando and the statements you two made about each other.
A "things I want the town to remember if I flip town" post might be useful too, if you're actually town.
