Mini 1069 - Hospital Madness Mafia (Game Over!)

[Zang]

The bigger problem that I have: unless I get a guilty: is it a good idea to claim track results? Either I am claiming for someone else that he is vanilla, or I'm claiming that he is a PR. Both aren't really worth it. If I was to hit scum killing someone: you would know it in the first post.

You can't get a guilty result as a tracker you can just see if somebody has a targeting ability or not. If you do  get a result where somebody doesn't target anything, you can't assume it's a Vanilla in case of a mafia goon, limited role or non targeting role. Do you get the action that is being performed or just that somebody targeted someone else?

NS's second ability is NOT a track. It's just a "what abilities have been used," checker. This is a HUGE scum beneficial role. Being able to know the roles that were used in the night means knowing if there is a cop, the number of docs, and potentially any other power roles that might exist. I don't see the value of this ability as a town ability.

If he's town, he could check claims.

Charnel is giving me scumvibes, although I'm aware I'm too inexperienced to know anyone's meta. (This is partly why I dislike meta.)

Does this have anything to do with him voting you?

Vote: Uprising

Charnels case on him is good and he's the only person besides Tasky that I think is scummy.

[Exe]

If he's town, he could check claims.

Only if we massclaimed. Which would again be anti-town. Am I the only one thinking this through?

[Uprising]

Charnel is giving me scumvibes, although I'm aware I'm too inexperienced to know anyone's meta. (This is partly why I dislike meta.)

Does this have anything to do with him voting you?

Vote: Uprising

Charnels case on him is good and he's the only person besides Tasky that I think is scummy.

No, it has nothing to do with him voting me.


I'm more than aware I can't talk anyone out of voting me, maybe because I'm not great at defending myself at this high of a number of players.

Sorry if I lurk in the next two days, I have a large assignment due.

I'll take this as a V/LA announcement, then.

[Uprising]

If he's town, he could check claims.

Only if we massclaimed. Which would again be anti-town. Am I the only one thinking this through?

Gotta say I agree with this.

MC won't be the best option in the next day, I feel.

I'm used to a different system, so I'm unaware of some of the protocols here. My apologies.

[Charnel]

The bigger problem that I have: unless I get a guilty: is it a good idea to claim track results? Either I am claiming for someone else that he is vanilla, or I'm claiming that he is a PR. Both aren't really worth it. If I was to hit scum killing someone: you would know it in the first post.

You can't get a guilty result as a tracker you can just see if somebody has a targeting ability or not. If you do  get a result where somebody doesn't target anything, you can't assume it's a Vanilla in case of a mafia goon, limited role or non targeting role. Do you get the action that is being performed or just that somebody targeted someone else?

That somebody targeted someone else. Now if I tracked you to Enigma, and Enigma died that day, I would think that rather incriminating.

But my other results, I'm not so sure I want to claim them. If I find a powerrole, that is fun and all, but I don't want to claim someone else is a PR. And in the same, but less decisive way, I don't want to claim vanilla's (I could just as well have tracked a goon who did nothing, and even if I didn't, I'd make it easier for scum to kill our PR's).

The flavour cop isn't much better, unless scum have names that indicate they are scum.

[CooLDoG]

Seeing as we still have some time on our hands I would like to say that I could vote for UP. I find some of his last posts scummy, most noticeable is the one about not having a case on him.

@Tasky, so you are voting for a guy mostly for fun? Ok, fine with me (not)

fos: Tasky

@UP, we don't really have any protocol, you have made it clear that you aren't used to this form of the game. With that said I, and most of the others, will forgive you if you have a question. With that said I think you are starting to use that as a defence, I don't like that...

stronger fos: UP

I was at L-1 and I talked people out of lynching me, so the whole, I don't know how to get out of this hole, defense doesn't work for me or the other people. However, ns is a much better lynch (you are now lurking, you slime).
@Chess, Pro tip: don't get drunk on Monday, and when you get over the hangover post about the stuff we talked about.

[chesskid3]

I got drunk on sunday. sheesh. Tuesday is ofc my worst day with classes until 5, but after that I will post

[Enigma]

Firstly I have exams soon (4*80% 3 hr exams in 1 week is not fun).*hyperventilates*
Secondly, I am getting sick due to lack of sleep and too much coffee and it's pissing me off.
Thirdly, My other game in late LYLO just finished so I should be able to focus on this one.

So enough about me now.

*Wave's at Moo's replacement*

For reading simplicity later:

Spoiler: L-1 Vote Counts

Day 1 Vote Count #6

[6] chesskid3

- TheLonging, Moospiker, Nobody Special, Wingless, CooLDoG, Zang

[2] CooLDoG

- Tasky, chesskid3

[1] Nobody Special

- Exe

[1] Uprising

- Enigma

[0] TheLonging

-

[0] Enigma

-

[0] Wingless

-

[0] Tasky

-

[0] Zang

-

[0] Exe

-

[0] Moospiker

-

[0] bv310

-

Not Voting (2): bv310, Uprising

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is 10/31/10 at 9 AM CST.

chesskid3 is at L-1.

Day 1 Vote Count #8

[6] CooLDoG

- Tasky, chesskid3, Wingless, Uprising, Nobody Special, Exe

[3] chesskid3

- TheLonging, Moospiker, CooLDoG

[1] Uprising

- Enigma

[1] Tasky

- Zang

[0] Nobody Special

-

[0] TheLonging

-

[0] Enigma

-

[0] Wingless

-

[0] Zang

-

[0] Exe

-

[0] Moospiker

-

[0] bv310

-

Not Voting (1): bv310

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is 10/31/10 at 9 AM CST.

CooLDoG is at L-1.

Day 1 Vote Count #14

[6] Nobody Special

- CooLDoG, Exe, Slaxx, Tasky, chesskid3, Moospiker

[2] Moospiker

- Uprising, TheLonging

[2] Enigma

- Wingless, Zang

[1] Uprising

- Enigma

[1] Exe

- Nobody Special

[0] TheLonging

-

[0] CooLDoG

-

[0] chesskid3

-

[0] Tasky

-

[0] Wingless

-

[0] Zang

-

[0] Slaxx

-

Not Voting (0):

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is 10/31/10 at 9 AM CST.

Nobody Special is at L-1.

Moospiker hasn't even picked up he PM I sent him so I'm assuming he's gone and won't be back for 8 days. I'll wait 6 more hours (24 total since I PMed him), and after that I will be replacing him ASAP.

Day 1 Vote Count #16

[6] Moospiker

- Uprising, TheLonging, Exe, CooLDoG, Nobody Special, Wingless

[1] Enigma

- Zang

[1] Uprising

- Enigma

[0] Exe

-

[0] Nobody Special

-

[0] TheLonging

-

[0] CooLDoG

-

[0] chesskid3

-

[0] Tasky

-

[0] Wingless

-

[0] Zang

-

[0] Slaxx

-

Not Voting (4): Tasky, Slaxx, chesskid3, Moospiker

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is 10/31/10 at 9 AM CST.

Moospiker is at L-1.

[Enigma]

I sense alot of buddying up from Charnel towards me. Makes me feel a bit uneasy atm.

Zang's 457doesn't appeal to me. Easily keeps him up on the scum list. Glad to see other people are noticing him now.

2. You may watch all cameras at once, learning every action that is performed that night, but not by who nor on who. However, once you’ve used this action, you will not be able to perform any action the following night.

I would like this ability clarified: Exactly what will he learn? The role ability names? Because afaik from the current role PM's out, they don't have ability names...

I'm still trying to digest this ability fully and whether it would be beneficial to town if he revealed this information the next day.

Uprising's 482 still doesn't impress me. And if I see that player in LYLO I'm not going to be happy

If NS is scum, I don't think Exe is scum. Coudn't see a busing between those 2 based on their interactions.

I see Zang's 500as a soft defense of NS.

Vote Count Discussion:
We have an awful lot of L-1!

[6] chesskid3 - TheLonging, Moospiker, Nobody Special, Wingless, CooLDoG, Zang

[6] CooLDoG - Tasky, chesskid3, Wingless, Uprising, Nobody Special, Exe

[6] Nobody Special - CooLDoG, Exe, Slaxx, Tasky, chesskid3, Moospiker

[6] Moospiker - Uprising, TheLonging, Exe, CooLDoG, Nobody Special, Wingless

NS on every wagon but his own.
CD on every wagon but his own.
Wingless on every wagon but NS. Minimal comment on NS wagon. I call scum buddy with NS if NS is scum.
Exe on every recent wagon (3).

Enigma not on any wagons Fail much?
Slaxx only on one wagon. (He did replace but was around for most the wagons)
Zang only on one wagon.

I think this will be interesting to review once we get some flips.

[Wingless]

I'll be rereading tomorrow. I don't have much time now.

[chesskid3]

Zang and Exe are scum. That is all. More after 5

[Zang]

That somebody targeted someone else. Now if I tracked you to Enigma, and Enigma died that day, I would think that rather incriminating.

But you would have no idea what my role/alignment would be, pro town killing roles are pretty common.

Zang only on one wagon.

Is this supposed to be scummy?

[chesskid3]

^^ are you anticipating being caught visiting the dead, and already breadcrumbing vig #2?

[CooLDoG]

@chesskid were you drunk for over 48 hours? Because you stil need to account for all the time you haven't posted content... However, you don't seem scummy atm.
Not much more to talk about, I'm gonna do some isos if I have time...

[Parama]

Mod Note: Due to the forum exploding yesterday, I have not been keeping track of prods due to messed up timestamps. I will prod on request for the next 36 hours or so.

[Enigma]

Zang only on one wagon.

Is this supposed to be scummy?

No if you looked at my entire post you would realize that it was just mainly a summation for now.

But your response sure is scummy. Getting nervous with attention (ironic since you have been quite ignored for a while) is a sure sure scum tell.

I really would like my question answered regarding the mechanics of NS's role, because I find it quite unbelievable as it is right now.

@Mod: NS needs a prod. XD

[Parama]

Prodding Nobody Special.
EDIT: TheLonging too.
EDIT2: AND Slaxx. Nobody else should be due for a prod, though.

Day 1 Vote Count #19

[4] Charnel

- Uprising, TheLonging, Nobody Special, Wingless

[3] Nobody Special

- CooLDoG, Exe, Charnel

[3] Uprising

- Enigma, Tasky, Zang

[0] Enigma

-

[0] Exe

-

[0] TheLonging

-

[0] CooLDoG

-

[0] chesskid3

-

[0] Tasky

-

[0] Wingless

-

[0] Zang

-

[0] Slaxx

-

Not Voting (2): Slaxx, chesskid3

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is 10/31/10 at 9 AM CST. (Less than 5 days!)

[Enigma]

You can't happen to answer the question I asked for NS' role can ya?

[Parama]

Most definitely not.

[Zang]

Zang only on one wagon.

Is this supposed to be scummy?

No if you looked at my entire post you would realize that it was just mainly a summation for now.

But your response sure is scummy. Getting nervous with attention (ironic since you have been quite ignored for a while) is a sure sure scum tell.

I really would like my question answered regarding the mechanics of NS's role, because I find it quite unbelievable as it is right now.

@Mod: NS needs a prod. XD

I don't see how my response was scummy, I just thought that you're post made people that aren't on many wagons anti town or scummy. I just asked to see if this was your intention.

[Nobody Special]

My vote stays where it is.

Only 3 more Charnel votes to avoid nolynch, guys, come on.

[Enigma]

Answer my q to you in 508 NS about your role.
Thanks

[chesskid3]

back. content post coming

[Slaxx]

Still. Not so for sure about chesskid anymore. Will explain why later.

[chesskid3]

I did a reread, and I'm giving my thoughts as I go. If something is especially important, I'll quote it.

First of all, Enigma is so obviously town it hurts. Anyone voting him is scum.

Unvote

I'm going on V/LA till the 30th. As a result, I'm going to go ahead with a pre-emptive claim. Guess what. Another power role.

Moospiker

, you are a

Hospital Secretary

.

You file information on people, so you have records of who everyone is and where they go each night, but finding a specific file takes a while – all night, in fact.

You have 2 abilities, but you may only use one each night:
1. You may track a player and learn who they visited that night
2. You may inspect a player and learn their role name

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Please confirm via PM with a paraphrase of your role's abilities.

I'm beginning to think the bastardy mechanic may be an excess of power roles.

Really? Just now you got that impression? If you're around at MC and you claim a PR, there's going to be a problem.

I absolutely hate the "that's a scum PR" bandwagon that started.
Tasky/Slaxx/Exe unvote based on claim.
Then TL goes in 396 and says "I had a gut feeling NS was town because he was like this in every other game he was in."
Noted for only saying it _after_ we ran him up to L-1, thanks.
Then, in 398 Moo claims early. I don't see this as a scumtell at all, honestly I think it's a towntell. Also, I hate the bandwagon of "that's a scum PR" that starts.
TL starts it in 399.

Not trying to justify his votes =/= random voting. His playstyle is risky, and it could be argued to be anti-town by some (something which I disagree with). However, he is putting himself in a position that scum wouldn't want: for example, he is late to this wagon without much reasoning. Scum tend to avoid such positions.

But if he doesn't justify his votes, how do you know he has reasons for his votes? As far as we know he is random voting.

Lurking? Try Zang.

I am not lurking. Lurking is intentionally ignoring the game, I have low activity. And when I do post, I post content.

I really cannot get reads in the first day. Additionally a lot of people posts a lot of nonsense over non-existing reads and in the end day one ends up in a random lynch anyway. Usually the Content/Spam ratio at the beginning of games (and usually all day 1) is extremely low, so I really am not going to read every post.
I like it to slowly tune in on the game, posting more and more, and more and more content, while forgetting and ignoring less and less. The time this process takes is usually dependent on the game, the players, the flips, etc. but I couldn't really tell in which way.

I understand this but you can do this without voting for no apparent reason. Plus, when you are scum you could use this excuse to give no real content for the first two days.

I'm beginning to think the bastardy mechanic may be an excess of power roles.

3 power roles are not a lot.

Something about this post is off.
I see a distancing vibe from Exe, (Tasky's votes make sense, even if he doesn't explain them well. I think the point of this was more to disagree with Exe than to actually make a point)
"And when I do post, I post content." "I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I drink Dos Eugios"
Something about the tone of the sentence bothers me, but that could also be him being annoyed at being called a lurker.
"3 power roles are not a lot." You too, son.

Slaxx hops on the Scum pr wagon
Zang disagrees with the scum pr wagon
CoolDog hops on the scum pr wagon with a false reason because he can't read apparently?
"Also to note, he could have just substituted the line at the top to be town."
Dun dun duh dun dun Scum CPR doctor anyone? Meh
Exe is tired of outing roles, so let's just take a misslynch? +10 scumpoints for you.
Ns's play sucks.
Tasky's #412 is very good posting
Enigma's #412 is horribad posting, but he's obvtown so
Enigma hops on the scum pr wagon.

@ Exe: Faking a PR is hard. I suggest we popcorn results tomorrow.

Wingless goes in with the perfect opportunistic vote with no content. dun dun dun.

Cooldog: @moo/replacement, defend your lack of content." lololol I laughed at this.

Charnel hops in, very goodposting from him. Bad lynch. If he is scum today's flip + tomorrow will catch him.

TL's "continue reading" post pisses me off. It's like the idea is to threaten him with a hammer if he doesn't while TL just sits back since nobody is suspecting him at all.
I should note there was some nice back and forth between me,Ns and TL. I and NS got wagoned, I'm town, NS is likely town, and TL even BUDDIED NS POST CLAIM WTF IS THIS WHY IS HE NOT DEAD YET.
CPR doctors can kill anyone, barring other game mechanics.

NS is a bad lynch because his flip won't help, compared to a flip of say me or TL or Wingless.

@Exe: 1) His reads are all good, he hammers scummy people and doesn't hammer non-scummy people with his posts. Very pro-town POSTING. Don't know yet about the slot.
2) Wingless is probscum, Uprising is possiscum. But he also criticized some other play. D2 with 2 flips we'll be able to much more easily tell if he's bussing scum/non bussing scum or town.
Charnel is not a good lynch

"@Chesskid, answer Exe/TL's questions. I don't think you are the best lynch this day though." Answered above, but nobody was saying I was the lynch for today (or ever), so uh huh?

Uprising bolds obvious, but not scum lolol.



Ok, in other news I suck at comprehending threads while hungover or really tired.
Exe and Zang are probably both town with at most one scum in there (likely Zang).

Possible scums:
TL
Wingless
Zang
Uprising
Chanel

Not scums:
Cooldog
NS
Enigma
Tasky
chesskid3

I can't read:
Exe
Slaxx

I am up for lynching Uprising if this is the consensus, but TL needs rope soon.