Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Andrius]

And I am really sad there is no Mason Recruiter. I had high hopes for one...

[Lord Gurgi]

You've caught me, I was recruited into the same cult on the same night as Yos. And you accuse me of not thinking? You're all scum, or else the entire rest of the game is.

[Andrius]

C'mon Gurgi. You're not helping.

I AM NOT SCUM. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO BE SCUM BECAUSE ROBO HAS BEEN COVERING MY ASS FOR NEARLY THE WHOLE GAME MINUS N0, BUT IM NO ONE IMPORTANT SO NO ONE RECRUITS ME N0. *sigh*

GOD YOU PEOPLE. WHERE AER YOU YOS.

[Lord Gurgi]

I pointed out already that you can't have an investigation today. Who did the mysterious second RB block if not you? The cult-doc in order to recruit you? You are thick as a brick.

Also great job dodging the impossibility of me being in the same cult as Yos.

[Andrius]

Maybe they blocked someone else? The other team's recruiter? IDK I AM NOT SCUM. I AM NOT PAID TO THINK.

GODDAMNIT. AM I GOING CRAZY?!?!!? HOW ARE YOU AND HIM IN THE SAME CULT? THATS NOT POSSIBLE. YOU AND HIM CANNOT HAVE BEEN RECRUITED INTO THE SAME CULT ON THE SAME NIGHT.

[Lord Gurgi]

Can't think, no guarantee of alignment, willing to lecture people before thinking.

What good are you?

[Andrius]

I'm no good, actually.
And not good enough for anyone, apparently.

Anyway. I am confused as to how you both can have been recruited the same night to the same cult. Feel free to explain it. :/

[Lord Gurgi]

...

Do you understand sarcasm?

You were accusing me of being allied with Yos when I fundamentally cannot be.

[Andrius]

No, I was making sure that you WEREN'T allied with him.
Because if you aren't with him and you are scum you're with THEM.
And a prime backup-lynch candidate.

[Lord Gurgi]

Thanks for revealing you're on Yos's side. Also we're not lynching me because I can't be a recruiter.

[Andrius]

I'm not on Yos' side. I couldn't have been recruited save on N0.

We're lynching you if we can't find the recruiter. Which we will.

[Lord Gurgi]

Reiterate what I've been saying for ages now. YOU CAN'T HAVE A RESULT AND NOT BE RECRUITED. READ MY POSTS.

[Chronopie]

Is that admitting attempting RB'ing Him?

I roleblocked Flameaxe. In order for him to be recruited, the cult doc (robo), would have had to have been RB'd. He claimed it went through. Andy claims to have a result, so

he

wasn't RB'd. He may be recruited by the non-Yos2 team as of last night, but his Yos2 statement is still accurate. So he can have a result, and not be recruited.

It's possible that the other/scum RB targetted someone else, unless you're claiming it... Are you?

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: ***He couldn't have been recruited by

either

team last night, and his Yos 2***

Robo may have been recruited ofc...

[singersigner]

Yos, is there a limit to how large the cult can grow?

Nope. Well, I assume that no cult can recruit someone who's already been recruited, but there's no set size limit.

So does that mean you guys can assume who's already been recruited if your choice doesn't go through?

I ask because your cult needs to ally with the town for now, to shrink the size of the other cult. Yeah, we can't win together, but we will both lose NOW if the other cult isn't stopped.

(nods) Agreed. I'm not going to spend a lot of time publicly commenting on my suspicions today, but my cult will be willing to use our votes to help the town lynch the other cult recruiter. In fact, we need to; it's very unlikely for us to get a majority vote on the recruiter for the larger cult without both our cult and the town working together here.

How can you assure this won't make it too easy for town to lynch the rest of your cult by paying attention to who follows who. You're the primary limelight here. Everyone's going to be watching your actions to see where you go with buddying and who you vote for. Does your cult trust you with this?

Also, do you want to take responsibility for any of the NKs- as representative from your cult?

I don't see an advantage to answering this question right now.

Fair enough. What might happen where the advantages of knowing might become apparent?


Now that my other games are becoming less and less demanding, I have more time to look over what's been going on lately. I honestly have no idea where to go from here as far as who I think recruiters are. But I can narrow down to who they definitely are not. Thoughts on that to come soon.

Mod: V/LA Friday through Sunday. Emphasis on the V for Saturday, and the LA for Friday/Sunday.

[Lord Gurgi]

Who else would they RB? Take a stab in the dark at the opposing Recruiter? Why?

Either they blocked Chrono and recruited Andrius or blocked Andrius and recruited Chrono. Nothing else is sensible. I'm leaning towards the latter since BBM confirmed (somehow) Chrono's action.

Nothing else makes sense. Why does this make me the RB? Why are you fishing for MORE power roles? Oh right.

[ReaperCharlie]

OK WOW.

SINGERSIGNER KILL OOBA TONIGHT. IF YOU DO NOT THEN YOU AND HIM ARE SCUMBUDDIES.

Ok, seriously? Why don't you look over D3 and see why I can't do that, hmm?

K STOP FLUFFING AND TELL US WHO YOU WANT TO LYNCH.

I am gonna lol heartily if ss comes back and doesn't answer my question.

...

Mod: V/LA Friday through Sunday. Emphasis on the V for Saturday, and the LA for Friday/Sunday.

[ooba]

Also @ ooba: Process of elimination. I think he's town but PoE dictates that he is prob-recruiter, as are the others on that list. Let me know if I'm missing anyone from my list, instead of trying to discredit my results and throw doubt on my entire paradise wasteland of awesomeness that I just posted.

In other words: ooba is recruited-scum even if he's not recruiter-scum.

You might be an enforcer as you say you are but I'm putting my money on you being recruited - say night two or so. In fact, your switch from "ooba = recruiter" to not, indicates to me that you investigated me last night and got not cult. (After all we had the Faraday flip before yesterday)

I've already spotted links between you and xvart so this bit was interesting .. Process of elimination listing would have been "The only people who can be cult recruiters are ..... " not "

my last guesses for cult recruiter

are ERGO, GANDALF, XVART, FLAMEAXE, and INHIM (KATSUKI)." - Don't try and back out of an abrupt 180 on xvart (aka weak bus) ..

Anyway I am not up for ANY lynch except xvart or gandalf today and will not be voting anybody else..

P.S: I know you don't share scum QTs of yours, but if you are scum, I'd bet that big post of yours was in the QT with a "Hey guys planning to post this in the next day";)

(And no I don't know if cult has a QT)

[ReaperCharlie]

To be quite clear: My scumdar on you/singersigner has JUMPED OFF THE CHARTS. That's ME. Personally.

Yes, LOGIC indicates that the likelyhood of you being able to fakecrumb loose cannon on day 1 is literally almost ZERO, unless you are a recruiter who recruited TheLonging (a loose cannon) on Night 0 and therefore had access to his claim in order to be able to fakeclaim. Additionally, TheLonging as a recruiting choice makes VERY LITTLE sense on Night 0, because you'd want to AT LEAST recruit somebody who was a strong player, and on Night 0 there'd be NO way to pick up any crumbs or sniff out any PR tells, so I've finally WIFOMed myself into oblivion and come to the conclusion that LOGICALLY, you cannot be a recruiter (unless both cults started with both a recruiter AND a loose cannon (to perform the night kill). In which case, you are still my top suspect.

Yos, can you enlighten us on this?


And it's not an abrupt 180 on anybody. That's simply the list of people who can be cult recruiters (excluding, of course, the caveat that scum may have started with 2 people each, in which case that brings you and signersigner back into the picture as possible recruiters). If your argument there is about HOW I WROTE IT, then: I wrote it the way I wrote it because... I wrote it the way I wrote it. I don't sit there and think about my post before I finish it and say "hmmm does this look scummy? here let me edit it so it looks like a townie wrote it"..... do you? lol

And no, I did not investigate you last night; I investigated you on Night 1. Aren't you even paying attention?

I am fine with voting xvart or gandalf today, just as I'm fine with lynching anyone on the CAPS list. I'm not sure why POROCHAZ wasn't on the list before, maybe it's because I forgot/overlooked him. He is on the list.

SO.. PENDING YOSARIAN2's REPLY, OUR POSSIBLE RECRUITER LIST IS:

-Erg0
-gandalf9166
-xvart
-Flameaxe
-inHimshallibe/Katsuki
-Porochaz

...AND IF YOS TELLS US SCUM STARTED OUT W/TWO PER FACTION, ADD:

-ooba
-singersigner

[Flameaxe]

gfojgf;jsdglgfa

Skimmed the last few pages. Decided I need to read it closer. I'll be back when I do read it closer. Things I did get:

• As sarcastic as Gurgi is being, he is making sense. I still like my read on him.
• Xvart's vote is just plain silly, and certainly doesn't go well with my previous read on him. I'll have a problem with anyone pushing for a "recruiter-cleared" player such as Gurgi, when it seems we are all in agreement that we need to hit a recruiter today.
• I find myself having a possible recruiter list much like Charlie's, minus myself of course. I have inhim above gandalf on my list though as of right now.
• As many of you have stated, I plan on taking Yos2's input with a grain of salt today. If we do have two cults, which it seems very, very likely we do, then his opinions on the recruiter opposite his are more than likely genuine.
• Gandalf's 2186 makes little to no sense, reasonably. This back and forth is a good reason why he is still number three on my list right now for possibly lynches.
• Prozac is totally, totally town at this point. Like, seriously.
• Robo: Just so everything is out there, did you protect Andy again? No reason not to know this information, at this point.
• I am, however having trouble following Gurgi's recent train of thought. I'm going to figure that out here now...He's still a bad lynch, I just want to figure out his logic.
• The more Andy posts, the more I am getting a recruited vibe from him, despite Robo's claim.
  Gurgi:
  Possibility of Robo getting blocked and Andy getting recruited, discuss. With the results on Chrono, and the other RB is most likely a recruited one, so this theory wouldn't surprise me.
• Being blocked last night myself, and getting intercourse-style flavor, this may be a good time to address the different flavor received with the failed investigations. Just saying, that might be a good path to go.

So, it turns out I had more time to read than I thought. So you get a more full post in the end.

[ooba]

To be quite clear: My scumdar on you/singersigner has JUMPED OFF THE CHARTS. That's ME. Personally.

Yes, LOGIC indicates that the likelyhood of you being able to fakecrumb loose cannon on day 1 is literally almost ZERO, unless you are a recruiter who recruited TheLonging (a loose cannon) on Night 0 and therefore had access to his claim in order to be able to fakeclaim. Additionally, TheLonging as a recruiting choice makes VERY LITTLE sense on Night 0, because you'd want to AT LEAST recruit somebody who was a strong player, and on Night 0 there'd be NO way to pick up any crumbs or sniff out any PR tells, so I've finally WIFOMed myself into oblivion and come to the conclusion that LOGICALLY, you cannot be a recruiter (unless both cults started with both a recruiter AND a loose cannon (to perform the night kill). In which case, you are still my top suspect.

Yos, can you enlighten us on this?


And it's not an abrupt 180 on anybody. That's simply the list of people who can be cult recruiters (excluding, of course, the caveat that scum may have started with 2 people each, in which case that brings you and signersigner back into the picture as possible recruiters). If your argument there is about HOW I WROTE IT, then: I wrote it the way I wrote it because... I wrote it the way I wrote it. I don't sit there and think about my post before I finish it and say "hmmm does this look scummy? here let me edit it so it looks like a townie wrote it"..... do you? lol

And no, I did not investigate you last night; I investigated you on Night 1. Aren't you even paying attention?

I am fine with voting xvart or gandalf today, just as I'm fine with lynching anyone on the CAPS list. I'm not sure why POROCHAZ wasn't on the list before, maybe it's because I forgot/overlooked him. He is on the list.

You should pay attention to the argument. My logic is simple
- You were saying "I was recruiter" yesterday.
- You had "ooba is not recruiter but recruited scum" today
You attribute the downgrade on suspicion to me to thinking about it ("finally WIFOM'ing yourrself"). Me thinks an investigation of me by you yesterday seems to be a more apt reason to this - because ALL the reasons you posted were the same as yesterday; nothing changed at all in between. (And if you are recruited, you wont be really claiming your actual results would you?)

And this is the on-the-go version of the 180. I'll let other people form their own opinions
RC: "My guesses for recruiter are gandalf, xvart, erg0, etc."
ooba: "WTF. You said xvart was town yesterday"
RC: "It's process of elimination mate. I'm just listing out who it can possibly be"
ooba: "Why in god's name would you say

guesses

when you're listing everyone out"
RC: (Quoting the gem word for word) "If your argument there is about HOW I WROTE IT, then: I wrote it the way I wrote it because... I wrote it the way I wrote it. I don't sit there and think about my post before I finish it and say "hmmm does this look scummy? here let me edit it so it looks like a townie wrote it"..... do you? lol"

P.S: Why don't you vote xvart, mate?

[ReaperCharlie]

1. Why are you even getting into this w/me? I'm not scum, and I'm definitely not a recruiter.
2. Your entire case is just arguing about

how

I wrote something. Not

what

I wrote. Useless.
3. Simple. I am not voting xvart because I think Erg0 is a recruiter, and I don't think xvart is.

P.S. Why don't you want to vote anyone but xvart and gandalf, mate?

[Lord Gurgi]

BBM: Yes that's what I think happened. If something else happened we're dealing with irrational scum which I can't account for, which could mean it was inHim, who was replaced overnight and so would not block properly, or it was Gandalf. But the only way to play is to assume rationality.

Ooba and RC just ignore BBM's post, bluh bluh.

[Erg0]

Holster

for now.

I'm not sure that I entirely trust Yos's version of events, since he has an obvious incentive to make his team appear as weak as possible. I guess the viability of his lynch depends largely on whether he's really on the same team as Me=Weird, and on whether we can get a really good lead on a recruiter today.

There's a fair bit of setup-related information to parse, I need to do some "what ifs".

[ReaperCharlie]

Holster

for now.

I'm not sure that I entirely trust Yos's version of events, since he has an obvious incentive to make his team appear as weak as possible. I guess the viability of his lynch depends largely on whether he's really on the same team as Me=Weird, and on whether we can get a really good lead on a recruiter today.

There's a fair bit of setup-related information to parse, I need to do some "what ifs".

Who do YOU think is a recruiter?