Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[Glork]

But "everybody" doesn't need to think it, Nik. ONE scumbag does.

I'm not going to sit here and bullshit myself that all of the scumbags are freaking morons, so I'd rather make sure that the freaking morons in the town are aware of what's going on. Believe me. If I were scum, I'd keep completely silent about it and just do it anyway. Because that's how I operate. Scum have even LESS reason to bring it up than anybody in the town.

[Glork]

EBWOP: MIssed a page. One sec.

[Glork]

EBWOP: No wait, I didn't. I just missed two posts which made me think I missed a page. I should probably go back to bed.

[Nobody Special]

jmj3000 replaces Far_Cry effective 37 seconds prior to this post. Please welcome jmj3000!

[Yosarian2]

2. LMP liked Jack's claim. Town was like "Ugh" but LMP had to guess as to the feelings of the town with nothing to go on (he posted first) and he guessed completely wrong.

Um, no, he didn't say he "liked" Jack's claim. He said that Jack's claim meant Jack was probably town, which is pretty obviously true. Terrible, terrible town, but town. In response to Glork and others attacking Jack, LMP pointed out that Jack's claim doesn't make sense as a scum gambit, which it doesn't, at all. I tend to think that post on LMP's part was quite pro-town.

[jmj3000]

Hey everyone, I will be rereading and stuffs.

[Xine]

I'm here too, the thing that stands out the most to me is Azazel voting Antihero, but not wanting to lynch him...? Why would anyone who is town place a vote on someone thet don't think is scum???
VOTE: Azazel

[Jack]

I'm here too, the thing that stands out the most to me is Azazel voting Antihero, but not wanting to lynch him...? Why would anyone who is town place a vote on someone thet don't think is scum???
VOTE: Azazel

Interesting, and what's the thing that stands out to you second most?

Here's a tip though, when you're scum try not to pretend like you read the game when you actually just stopped at the first excuse for a vote you saw.

[Antihero]

Oh. Jack is right. Xine is scummy.

P edit: Damn you, ninja Jack!

[Yosarian2]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LynchMePls

You're trying to paint me as scum for something I never even referenced. I made my joke, yes, and then never followed up on it. Not once did I mention Nikanor's play on my joke, I asked why you insisted on bringing it up. I said I like Empking because he was echoing the sentiment of why are you bringing it up.

Do you think LMP is scum, or do you just not like the fact that he voted for you?

[Xine]

It may seem scummy, but really Xine is really busy, the thing that stands out second most is that Jack is totally ridiculous. And though I will read all the nitpicking banter, I am only likely to comment on things that actually seem important.

[VasudeVa]

7 pages in 2-3 days. Not bad

Ohhh joy, LMP is scum. No wait, Glork got to it first. Hey Glork, you scum in this game too?

AGar #65

: What have you 'seen' before, to vote hop on Glork?

Page 4 and LMP still reeks scum. I'm just not sold on Nikanor(yet.).

Xine is scum too! (Pity, I was looking forward to playing with her.)

Vote: Xine

Let's maximize wagon potential. Hurhurhur.

[Nikanor]

I'm not going to sit here and bullshit myself that all of the scumbags are freaking morons, so I'd rather make sure that the freaking morons in the town are aware of what's going on. Believe me. If I were scum, I'd keep completely silent about it and just do it anyway. Because that's how I operate. Scum have even LESS reason to bring it up than anybody in the town.

I'm still not accusing you. I'm just saying it was kind of a dumb thing to say.

Page 4 and LMP still reeks scum. I'm just not sold on Nikanor(yet.).

You make it sound as if LMP and I are inseparably bonded or something.
You also make it sound as if you want to be convinced that I'm scum.
Why is Xine scummier than LMP, in your mind?

[VasudeVa]

You make it sound as if LMP and I are inseparably bonded or something.
You also make it sound as if you want to be convinced that I'm scum.
Why is Xine scummier than LMP, in your mind?

LMP's scummier, fo sho'.

But, I dislike it when it's just 1 wagon rolling along. I think we have a better shot at catching more scum if we do competing wagons. (Competing wagons are <3.)

[SnakePlissken]

or splitting the vote to save a potential scum team member VasudeVa?

[AGar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LynchMePls

You're trying to paint me as scum for something I never even referenced. I made my joke, yes, and then never followed up on it. Not once did I mention Nikanor's play on my joke, I asked why you insisted on bringing it up. I said I like Empking because he was echoing the sentiment of why are you bringing it up.

Do you think LMP is scum, or do you just not like the fact that he voted for you?

I don't OMGUS. I didn't even realize he voted for me honestly.

He's saying I made a big deal about the whole Nikanor ")( joke" post.

I didn't.

He's blatantly putting words in my mouth as fodder for his suspicions (and apparently vote).

VV - I think it's ongoing still (as in, I'm pretty sure it is).

[UncertainKitten]

So, yeah, Xine posts are amazing.

Amazingly scummy.

Now let's lynch Lowell.

[Haylen]

At present, I believe Glork is telling the truth.

[Jack]

or splitting the vote to save a potential scum team member VasudeVa?

Call him "Vas,"

[Empking]

I like Jack's claim.

FoS: Yos

For saying something that obviously an untruth.

[VasudeVa]

or splitting the vote to save a potential scum team member VasudeVa?

Call him "Vas,"

Yes, you should. 8D.

Hey SnakePlissken: Do you honestly believe what you said? Do you think that Xine is Town then?

[Yosarian2]

I like Jack's claim.

FoS: Yos

For saying something that obviously an untruth.

Yeah, yeah. I had forgotten about that line, actually.

But the actual point of my post, that you for some reason completly ignored, was that LMP's real argument was:

Do you think this makes sense as a scum gambit?

Was a strong, logical argument, it made sense in context, and it's probably correct. Beyond that, it has what look to be good, pro-town motives behind it, and I think LMP is probably town based on this. I find the actual attacks on Jack, especially your fos of him, a lot more iffy then anything lmp said.

Again, of course Jack's play here was really bad, but that's not the issue here.

[Empking]

I like Jack's claim.

FoS: Yos

For saying something that obviously an untruth.

Yeah, yeah. I had forgotten about that line, actually.

But the actual point of my post, that you for some reason completly ignored, was that LMP's real argument was:

Do you think this makes sense as a scum gambit?

Was a strong, logical argument, it made sense in context, and it's probably correct. Beyond that, it has what look to be good, pro-town motives behind it, and I think LMP is probably town based on this. I find the actual attacks on Jack, especially your fos of him, a lot more iffy then anything lmp said.

Again, of course Jack's play here was really bad, but that's not the issue here.

I presumed the actual point of your point was to disagree with me about LMP being scummy or at least comitting a scummy action.

I still say that Jack is probably scum.

[Yosarian2]

I still say that Jack is probably scum.

Explain this to me, then.

With his claim, if Jack is scum, he's doomed himself, for little to no apparent gain. There are exactally two power roles in this game, they will eventually both either claim or be nightkilled for one reason or another, and if that happens and Jack is not one of them, he's dead.

I mean, I could see a really desprate, gambiting scum deciding to claim doc right away on day 1 if he thought it was worth it to sacrifice himself in order to get the real doc to counterclaim, that's a theoretically possible move, but Jack's claim doesn't even do that.

There's almost no chance Jack is scum here, and if he is, then we'll find out anyway. Your claimed suspicions on him here are just making me increasingly suspicious of you.

[Empking]

I still say that Jack is probably scum.

Explain this to me, then.

With his claim, if Jack is scum, he's doomed himself, for little to no apparent gain. There are exactally two power roles in this game, they will eventually both either claim or be nightkilled for one reason or another, and if that happens and Jack is not one of them, he's dead.

I mean, I could see a really desprate, gambiting scum deciding to claim doc right away on day 1 if he thought it was worth it to sacrifice himself in order to get the real doc to counterclaim, that's a theoretically possible move, but Jack's claim doesn't even do that.

There's almost no chance Jack is scum here, and if he is, then we'll find out anyway. Your claimed suspicions on him here are just making me increasingly suspicious of you.

Wow the player who's lying and defending LMP is trying to threaten me out of my suspicions of Jack. God, I'm afraid.

Jack has the benefit of outing the power roles in (what's probably) the near future. In the mean time he may have been planning at looking really pro-town in order to lead the town along with getting the doc to protect a scumbag and off a townie. Its a suicide mission but one that clearly has large gains for scum.