Open 258 --- Night Watch --- Game Over

[nameloc1986]

That I'll do.

So during the night:
Shotty flip a coin, if heads watch CKD (I'm hiding behind him), if tails watch either Empking or another player of your choice.
Unconfirmed watcher flip a coin, if heads watch Shotty, if tails watch Andrew
Andrew check out Shotty

If I die and CKD survives, then CKD is scum and lynch him.

[drmyshottyizsik]

andrew already checked me out name

[nameloc1986]

andrew already checked me out name

I don't think so. You claimed watcher and Andrew said the person he watched was vanilla.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Wait then how did andrew know I was telling the truth?

[nameloc1986]

Wait then how did andrew know I was telling the truth?

This is the golden question and it needs to be answered by Andrew.

[drmyshottyizsik]

andrew tell me now

[andrew94]

i didnt check u dr = =


and nameloc, it is worthless for a watcher to watch someone else, because scum is surely not going to kill an unconfirmed person.

[nameloc1986]

But we also want the watchers to catch scum in the act. If we get the to watch particular people, then were steering the scum to kill "unwatched" players without risk of being watched. My method allows the "confirmed" people to be safe while still having a random chance at catching scum. If you have better plan, please share.

[andrew94]

no, if the scum kills the unconfirmed people, we will have 5 confirmed ppl tomorrow against 3 unconfirmed

[Antihero]

andrew, what nameloc means is that there are more than 2 people needing protection, but that's OK, because we can use WIFOM against the scum.

If the watchers randomly determine their target, then the scum don't know who's getting watched and they're taking a risk (50% risk) by killing a confirmed town. I agree with name's plan.

[drmyshottyizsik]

me too

[andrew94]

of course they will kill confirmed town
otherwise 2morrow they will be outnumbered confrimed town > unconfirmed town

so no point guarding unconfirmed town cos they are not going to be killed

[Antihero]

^then they have a 50% chance of being outed.

[drmyshottyizsik]

of course they will kill confirmed town
otherwise 2morrow they will be outnumbered confrimed town > unconfirmed town

so no point guarding unconfirmed town cos they are not going to be killed

yes but if all confirmed town is 100% gaurded, then scum will kill unconfirmed!!!!

[nameloc1986]

of course they will kill confirmed town
otherwise 2morrow they will be outnumbered confrimed town > unconfirmed town

so no point guarding unconfirmed town cos they are not going to be killed

*facepalm* you're missing the point, I'm not asking the watchers to ignore the confirmed people but instead have a random chance of watching confirmed or unconfirmed.

Let me spell it out:
WATCHERS WATCH ONLY CONFIRMED PEOPLE: the scum will after the unconfirmed and keep the confirmed safe but since one of the watchers is unconfirmed we risk him being killed + we lose the opportunity to catch scum in the act

WATCHERS WATCH ONLY UNCONFIRMED PEOPLE: uhhhh....this is stupid moving on....

WATCHERS GAMBLE BETWEEN CONFIRMED & UNCONFIRMED: Like Anti-hero suggested, we play WIFOM with the scum. They don't know who the watchers are really targeting so they will be stupid to go after a confirmed but also risk the chance of being caught with someone else. Granted, the chance we actually do catch them on an unconfirmed is low but it's better than nothing.

[andrew94]

we only have 1/5 chance of o=ther watcher dying

[ooBAZZoo]

Hold up. It seems like everyone's going round acting like shotty's a confirmed watcher. If andrew didn't check him out last night then there's no reason to suspect that he is scum. Obviously he'd be uncounterclaimed, because each watcher knows there are two watchers so will be assuming he's the other.

so I watched Bazz and nobody visitted him

This seems very convenient.
@Shotty - since he was our only confirmed PR, why didn't you watch andrew? If you did, surely you would not only be protecting him, but you'd most likely also know who the other watcher is, so you'd be able to confirm them if they claim, or coordinate your night action if they were outed.

Whilst I maintain that he

]could

be one of the watchers, I don't think we should be taking it as fact until we have some proof.

[ooBAZZoo]

Hold up. It seems like everyone's going round acting like shotty's a confirmed watcher. If andrew didn't check him out last night then there's no reason to suspect that he is scum. Obviously he'd be uncounterclaimed, because each watcher knows there are two watchers so will be assuming he's the other.

so I watched Bazz and nobody visitted him

This seems very convenient.
@Shotty - since he was our only confirmed PR, why didn't you watch andrew? If you did, surely you would not only be protecting him, but you'd most likely also know who the other watcher is, so you'd be able to confirm them if they claim, or coordinate your night action if they were outed.

Whilst I maintain that he

]could

be one of the watchers, I don't think we should be taking it as fact until we have some proof.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hold up. It seems like everyone's going round acting like shotty's a confirmed watcher. If andrew didn't check him out last night then there's no reason to suspect that he is scum. Obviously he'd be uncounterclaimed, because each watcher knows there are two watchers so will be assuming he's the other.

so I watched Bazz and nobody visitted him

This seems very convenient.
@Shotty - since he was our only confirmed PR, why didn't you watch andrew? If you did, surely you would not only be protecting him, but you'd most likely also know who the other watcher is, so you'd be able to confirm them if they claim, or coordinate your night action if they were outed.

Whilst I maintain that he

]could

be one of the watchers, I don't think we should be taking it as fact until we have some proof.

I didn't watch Andrew because I knew he would not be targetted, because scum aren't that dumb so I chose you, mainly due to the fact that if you died then that would leave the town right were they were because you are super null. Tonight I will flip a coin between watching Andrew and Person X and the other watcher should do so as well, but his person X should be me. This way we have a chance at confirming each other, and also this pervents the scum from having a 100% chance of killing a PR with out getting caught. And Name don't hide behind me, that would be dumb

[nameloc1986]

And Name don't hide behind me, that would be dumb

How would that be dumb?

[drmyshottyizsik]

And Name don't hide behind me, that would be dumb

How would that be dumb?

because then if scum will 100% fo so kill me.
Thus you die two.

[Zdenek]

Okay, so I gather that we are not killing Shotty because he's a claimed watcher, not because he is confirmed. I think we should do something to try to verify his claim. Whether it's an investigation or nameloc hiding behind him, it doesn't matter to me, but I don't think we should accept it as truth. That said, it's not as though we have to verify it immediately, and we should probably set up a random scenario that has as one outcome the claim being verified. Perhaps a percent change that he is investigated or a percent chance that nameloc hides behind him.

Dry-fit is still hardly posting, I know I've been away too recently, so perhaps it's a bit of the case of the pot calling the kettle black. In retrospect, I also didn't like his post #487 much either. He makes a comment about Bazz not voting and asks me about commenting on Bazz (but otherwise that he is not suspicious of me in the least, while I appreciate it, it could easily be scummy buddying up to town). He defends CKD against Antihero by saying that Antihero's tunneling is bizarre (here we might have another example of scummy spaghetti flinging).

The main thing that I would like to take away from this, is the seeming connection between Dry-fit and Bazz. They have both made soft attacks against one another, and Bazz was very quick to forgive Dry-fit:

BAZZ: The thing that caught my eye the most about him is that he didn't cast any votes at all until after andrew's claim, and still hasn't cast one today.

I agree that Dryfit's play D1 reads scum. He appears to bus Joystick slightly when it appears that Joystick is definitely going to be our lynch, but never really commits to and accusation, or a vote. I'm gonna do a re-read of everyone though, and give Dryfit a chance to post. Since he was so inactive (only posted 5 times) I get the feeling he might be replaced; if not, he needs to stop lurking.

today he HAS FoSed me for supposedly not committing to an accusation or vote on Hop. However I was doing the exact thing BAZZ was doing: Giving 2k3 time to post before the lynch.

This is a fair point; you could have indeed been waiting for 2k3. However, I also have to consider the possibility that, as scum, you weren't prepared to vote your partner. Also, this doesn't account for your only posting five times the entire day, and it seemed like your posting became less frequent during the phase where joystick was being confirmed as scum.
In your defence, the reasons i've found you scummy are due mainly to your lurking, or not contributing, and your last post does go against this.

I think Andrew checking himself is ridiculous.

I don't understand what Jason is trying to accomplish with posts like this, but it could be because he has little time:

I would agree Andrew only is concerned by his own agenda.. I believe he feels safe because he is uncountered in being Rolecop which near enough confirms him as town so he now does not have to worry about being lynched or answer to anybody for his actions or lack off actions

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I am prepared to believe Antihero's claim that he is town, and I would prefer to lynch someone who I think is scum instead. However, I can understand the argument of not wanting to help the scum watcher snipe, so I could accept his lynching. At the moment, I think Dry-fit is more likely to flip scum, and the last thing that the town needs going forward in the game is a scummy lurker. Also, I am willing to give Jason the benefit of the doubt until his V/LA ends.

Vote Dry-fit

[drmyshottyizsik]

just a general question

why shouldn't we lynch Zdenek?

[andrew94]

And Name don't hide behind me, that would be dumb

How would that be dumb?

because then if scum will 100% fo so kill me.
Thus you die two.

this is why the other watcher MUST watch you if nameloc hides behind u.

[Zdenek]

just a general question

why shouldn't we lynch Zdenek?

The question we need to answer now is whether we believe Antihero's claim, and if we believe it, do we lynch him anyway?