Two posts coming (I'm going to split them because I need to check something on my second case before before I pull a real boner).
My vote remains on ICEninja.
First off Oso's
Post #58- Summarized, this is my ICEninja vote of yesterday. Basically, I accuse him of setting an atmosphere where its urgent that a lynch take place and that I can see scum using it to go after low activity players. And that is exactly what I see happening because at that point his vote is on, you guessed it,
Fernando
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He answers in
Post #63 - Summarized, he answers my vote with some decent reasoning but there is still the underlying 'this isn't a normal mini-normal' theme. And he also says:
ICEninja wrote:..That being said, I find Oso fairly town for his observation.
Of course he finds me town for my observation, I just hit the nail right on the head.
At the end of that post, he asks me some questions that do get me seriously thinking about how BaM might change the normal lynch/NK dynamic if you have to throw in even a single Mod-Kill because of the ruleset.
Then Xine said this in
Post #77
Xine wrote:..
Oso: given the assumption that a lurker will just be mod killed why does that mean that we don’t have to worry about it? What if we lose town to a mod kill, and lynch a fairly active town player too. Mathematically speaking wouldn’t it be nice to lose only one town player
That promted me to make this
This Post and then
This Post - Summarized, the first give my normal game reaction to lynches. They are basically useless unless preceded by a fair amount of good discussion. The second shows, quite clearly I think, how I am starting to actually process how this game might be different than a normal non-BaM game.
The above is two-fold. Why I went ahead and hammered Fernando and to show that my initial read of ICEninja is the one I should have stayed with. I never should have unvoted him. He posed just the right questions to get me thinking that what I accused of him of doing scummily, might very well be the way to go this game. He played me like a cheap guitar on that one and I'm not sure whether to be pissed or to congratulate him.
Then this today:
ICEninja wrote:..
At a quick glance, which is all I care to give this game anymore, Oso looks pretty opportunistic.
He voted Fernando without really believing in it just to end the day, and gave himself the option to deny having really wanted to lynch Fernando, which is great for scum in this situation. This theory is augmented by how much he moved his vote around, trying to find a safe spot for it.
No, I didn't believe Fernando was scum. I believe I made that clear when I stated my intention to hammer
here:
Oso wrote:..I'm waffling on Fernando. I see the points all of those that are voting are making though. Doesn't change the fact that experience and my gut tells me that if we lynch a lurking, low-activity player here on Day 1, we are going to hit a townie who was disinterested in playing the game and flaked.
[snip]
Still thinking although I will say that I won't let Day 1 go to a No-lynch if it happens to come down to me voting or going to a no-lynch. We ARE pressed for time at the moment so you will probably have my vote at the end of the day (real life day, not game day).
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That wasn't me trying to squirm my way out the responsibility for hammering, that was me acknowledging the fact that Fernando was probably town but I was going to hammer anyway if he didn't make an appearance. We were at deadline and the idea I had formed earlier during the day, based on some of the questions that had been directed at me, of cutting townie losses might be the way to go was what I was operating under. I never had any intention of trying to shift the responsibility for my vote of Fernando to any other reason other than I thought it was the best play at the time.
As to moving my vote around trying to find a safe one, that just doesn't bear scrutiny. I had my vote "safe" on another player:Llamarble. No way in hell he was going to be lynched yesterday and if I wanted to be off the 'probably lurking townie' lynch, it would have stayed there. SV (
here) states his intention to hammer so there was no need for me to do it if I was simply looking to avoid responsibility for the lynch. I stated when I would cast my vote and under what conditions, and I did just that.
Don't be fooled by the discouraged townie act. He's laughing his ass off right now. Real stroke of luck for scum: Dead Cop. Add in the outted and now dead JK and the only person who really seriously questioned him yesterday (beside myself) dead(SV). He is loving this game as it stands now.
My Uncle always use'ta say, 'You can't get no blood from a turnip.' .... He'd say the same thing about gettin' it from a stone, too.
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I never said nothin' back to him. You don't want mess with no freak that's searchin' around that hard for blood.
Just spent the day with friends and family and this game was very much on my mind.
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