Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[Jack]

I suppose I'm fine with ending the day right now.

unvote, vote:Empking

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.03

LynchMePls - 5 - Glork, Empking, eldarad, Azazel, AGar
Empking - 4 - Lowell, Nikanor, Yosarian2, Jack
Lowell - 2 - UncertainKitten, Haylen
Sudo_Nym - 1 - SnakePlissken
Agar - 1 - mothrax
Antihero - 1 - LynchMePls
Azazel - 1 - Xine
Nikanor - 1 - Antihero
Xine - 1 - VasudeVa

Not Voting: CJMiller, jmj3000, Sudo_Nym

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline: November 17

Random notes:

-- Be sure to refer to Rules #15 & 16. I almost missed one.

[Jack]

I want empking gone. Let's do it.

[mothrax]

Sounds fine to me. I have seen enough.

Unvote: AGar; Vote: Empking

[Glork]

If you think LMP is scum, make a real case for it, try to get him lynched.

Does "Glork says so" count? Because it should.

Heh. Don't bail EmpKing out now, Glork; let him wriggle on the hook for a while longer, I want to see how much more he's going to implicate himself as scum.

....but he's not scum.

This is a terrible wagon.

[LimMePls]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LynchMePls

You're trying to paint me as scum for something I never even referenced. I made my joke, yes, and then never followed up on it. Not once did I mention Nikanor's play on my joke, I asked why you insisted on bringing it up. I said I like Empking because he was echoing the sentiment of why are you bringing it up.

^^ This is so much fail. I'm not "trying to paint you as scum" I'm pointing out Empking's double standard in regards to you and Nikanor. Those things are not equal.

I'm not caught up on the thread, I've been super busy end of this week and weekend (being a holiday an all). I'll need V/LA a day or two, and then I'll get caught up.

[Empking]

Nik: why am I scum?

[AGar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LynchMePls

You're trying to paint me as scum for something I never even referenced. I made my joke, yes, and then never followed up on it. Not once did I mention Nikanor's play on my joke, I asked why you insisted on bringing it up. I said I like Empking because he was echoing the sentiment of why are you bringing it up.

^^ This is so much fail. I'm not "trying to paint you as scum" I'm pointing out Empking's double standard in regards to you and Nikanor. Those things are not equal.

After re-reading your post 30 times, I finally see the misunderstanding. I didn't connect a line before the end of the paragraph. /facepalm.

UNVOTE:

P.S. - Conciseness. It's pro-town. It has been said in the thread before.

I guess I need to re-read now. Shit.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:Agar

[SnakePlissken]

Just noticed my RVS vote was still on

Unvote

[UncertainKitten]

...

Unvote, Vote SnakePlissken

New plan, lynching Snake.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: Though Lowell is still acceptable.

[SnakePlissken]

On what basis UK?

[Jack]

On what basis UK?

Who do you suspect?

[UncertainKitten]

Basis is obvious.

But, just for lulz, I'll echo Jack's question.

[UncertainKitten]

In fact, the fact you ask makes it even more interesting ^-^. Possibly more on this later.

[Jack]

You have a dangling "you" in that post uk.

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote: SnakePlissken

Deal.

[UncertainKitten]

Sorry, the you in the last post was Snake.

[Yosarian2]

Fucking Conciseness: How does it work!?

Seriously, what's up with the towers of text on page 8? I tried to read through them to see if anything could be gleaned, but it's basically reiteration of the same two stances in slightly novel and different ways. Also practically impossible to read ways. Could you each, in 5 sentences or less, without quotes, state your damned positions?

Empking made a horrible case on Jack, who's probably town, because Jack's play here doesn't make any sense as a scum gambit, for pretty basic game mechanics reasons.

In response, LMP (correctly, imo) pointed out that Jack's play dosn't make any sense as scum.

Empking decided LMP was scum because LMP was defending Jack.

I pointed out that LMP's post was rational and that both of empking's attacks didn't make sense.

Empking decided I was scum because I was defending LMP, and because of an unimportant mistake I made in the way I worded my resposne to him.

Since then, he's been using irrelevant distractions, bad assumptions, walls of text, and clearly irrational stuff to call me scum over and over again, while not at all defending his initial attacks on Jack and LMP. I think Empking is scum who knew his attacks on Jack and LMP were bull from the start, based on the way Empking has been reacting; and I think he's hoping that if she spouts enough random BS, no one will notice.

(Ok, that was 7 sentences .)

[Yosarian2]

Also, sleeping on it, Yos agreed with my quote (which was devoid of context and used pretty much the same words we were using) far too quickly for somebody who didn't know about the line.

How long do you think it takes to click the bottom of the page and hit "read all posts by user?" It wasn't hard to double check, and to realize you were talking about a different post then the one I was thinking of.

Yos: Are you considering Jack's meta before debunking EmpKing's theory? (Jack is scumWIFOMclaiming PR Theory?)

I haven't played with Jack in a while, so no, I don't really have much meta on him. I don't think it's relevant, though. All you have to do is assume he's playing to his win condition, and his act doesn't make any sense as scum. And, in any case, there is also very little risk to just assuming he is town for now, since if he's scum we'll find out soon enough and for no cost; on the other hand, lynching him would obviously be a huge risk, since if he's telling the truth he's one of our two power roles.

[VasudeVa]

Actually, it's more relevant than you think. When I saw Empking call out the JackscumWIFOMclaimingPR theory, I was like 'Ohh Jack, ever popular! That's

soo

him!' because it really does make sense with him in regards to his play/personality. (I'm sure other people familiar with Jack would agree with this.)

However, now that Empking admits that he has no knowledge of Jack's meta, myep that's a scum attack alright.

Vote: Empking

[UncertainKitten]

That works, Yos. Interesting to see how he responds.

I haven't played with Jack in a while, so no, I don't really have much meta on him. I don't think it's relevant, though. All you have to do is assume he's playing to his win condition, and his act doesn't make any sense as scum.

Oh my God I love you Yos.

My scumhunting gets SO much better when I disregard meta. I think there ARE a couple of cases where you need it, but in most it's distracting. The memory is too selective.

[Antihero]

However, now that Empking admits that he has no knowledge of Jack's meta, myep that's a scum attack alright.

Epic non sequitur makes me lol

[Lowell]

As much as it makes me feel awesome to start a winning bandwagon, the emp case is useless. I'm not a huge fan of punishing active people D1. Does anyone really think emp is making endgame if he's scum?

unvote, vote snake

is fine; 209 is bad form. If you're here, you have to play too.