Mini 1069 - Hospital Madness Mafia (Game Over!)

[chesskid3]

you can be town and be antitown, sheesh.

What are you going to do when my reads _are_ correct?

Pedit: Fakehamers are stupid.

[Charnel]

and some are scum. Antitown people don't have an intention. NS does show that. Meaning that he isn't merely "antitown", but that he is scum.

reread and vote for the person I think scum then. Why are we lynching TL for information purposes and for your ego?

[Parama]

Whoa, thread explosion. Refreshing votecount.

Day 1 Vote Count #23

[6] TheLonging

- chesskid3, Tasky, Zang, Uprising, CooLDoG, Nobody Special

[3] Uprising

- Enigma, Charnel, Lrdwhyt

[1] Nobody Special

- Exe

[1] Charnel

- TheLonging

[0] Enigma

-

[0] Exe

-

[0] CooLDoG

-

[0] chesskid3

-

[0] Tasky

-

[0] Wingless

-

[0] Zang

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[0] Lrdwhyt

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Not Voting (1): Wingless

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is 11/03/10 at 9 AM CST.

TheLonging is at L-1.

[chesskid3]

Informationless?
The fuck?

[Charnel]

I will probably understand you

better

when you make those three words into a sentence.

[chesskid3]

How the fuck is a TL lynch informationless?

[Charnel]

How the fuck is a TL lynch informationless?

I haven't said that. None is, I believe. It is not a reason for a lynch.

again: why are we lynching TL for information purposes and for your ego?

[Charnel]

Btw, I do agree that Uprising is likely scum, but I want TL today for two reasons.
1) It clarifies whether Uprising is a better lynch than Zang.
2) I'm most likely dead tonight, since there's not a goddamn chance I'm getting misslynched ever, so I want this to be 3 and out.

because you don't seem to get what I'm refering to.

[chesskid3]

Oh, I misread information as informationless.

Honestly I think we're quibbling over two scum and in the end it won't matter, but I like the people on the TL lynch (with on an exception or two), which makes me more confident in that lynch.
Yes, I know it's a self-replicating thing or whatever, but it's just my thoughts. If everyone would prefer and Uprising lynch I'll go along with it, but TL still needs to die.

[Exe]

You do realize you are continiously convincing yourself that you are right, do you?

anyway, what I argued was that not hammering isn't weird. That happened before. There was only one wagon that really lingered long at L-1, well after it became clear that it failed: yours. The wagon on me only disappeared (after it became clear that it failed), when you pushed the TL case. Before that, I had 4 votes. Baseless ones, votes that weren't doing a thing. Which is my point again here: the TL wagon lost momentum. Valid arguments have been brought up that it shouldn't succeed. In general, an Uprising lynch is preferred by more players. Still the TL wagon is there

when it basically failed already

. It shouldn't become the lynch, seen the support the Uprising case has. But still it is there: who is keeping the wagon there, and why? Who benefits?

It is NS's strategy (and I know I'm tunneling here), but I don't know who is using it. Someone is trying to push this lynch through because of a deadline, or because somebody thinks he has to hammer because nothing else can happen. The same happened on you, and on me: people were waiting to get the lynch through not because of valid reasons, but because "it should be done".

This is the context for my question, as it came right before my post.

[Exe]

Also:
Charnel, since you clearly did not understand my question. I am asking

who

(what player) the TL wagon is saving, and

who

(again, player) is the one attempting to do the saving?

Example: Do you think Chesskid is pushing TL in order to save NS? Do you think Cooldog is just using Chesskid's case on TL to save Uprising?
These are just examples, so please tell me what you actually think rather than just the theory you believe in.

[Charnel]

@Charnel: You've suggested that the TL wagon is (essentially) an attempt by someone to save someone else, if I understand correctly. So tell us who you think the two someones are.

Context please. I have used multiple times that scum want to save themselve by getting a mislynch. Those two things are pretty much the same to me. Scum who's goal it is to survive is going to support wagons that lead to a mislynch.

copying the question and the initial answer. It is actually right. The actual answer with names I tried to find here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2603081

[Charnel]

and concrete: I think NS is trying to save his ass. Apart from that it happens to him too, TL seemed to do it too. Uprising and CooLDoG are doing the same.

And this is only an indication from the votecounts. CooLDoG has actually admitted that his 180 on chesskid was purely selfpreservative. Uprising's complete play in this game is focused on not giving anyone a reason to vote him for a mistake. NS has been aggressively pursuing lynches of others without actually arguing that they were scum. (ok, I have only one example from the top of my head). The only one of these that isn't obvious from the thread is TL. He hasn't been very conservative. I forgot Wing on purpose, as he is lurking, but he did move away from one of the wagons fast.

[chesskid3]

CoolDoG's self preservation mentality for early day 1 makes sense as vig, just saying.

[Charnel]

CoolDoG's self preservation mentality for early day 1 makes sense as vig, just saying.

Do you see me voting him? And it didn't, but a vigclaim is only done by the SK, and a SK wouldn't tell us he messed up. He should have stayed with his reads, vote by them. On that moment he was for a moment one of the most townie players. It got him

one

vote from being lynched. Acting scummy as town is quite stupid, it actually gets you in problems.

[Charnel]

and I forgot the conclusion: the VC-analysis is working.

[chesskid3]

right. Sure.
Can we like prod Enigma,Wingless,TL,Zang or something or are they not due? Feels like ages, man.

[Lrdwhyt]

No one hammering TheLonging when it was so close to deadline is interesting to note, but it doesn't really change my mind on my vote.

Also, chesskid, I'm a bit late mentioning this, but your (Nobody Special) actions not having any scum motives doesn't really mean much. Nobody Special's lurking can be attributed to wanting to escape attention by staying under the radar. Not actively hurting the town doesn't mean you're necessarily innocent.

and some are scum. Antitown people don't have an intention. NS does show that. Meaning that he isn't merely "antitown", but that he is scum.

reread and vote for the person I think scum then. Why are we lynching TL for information purposes and for your ego?

After reading Nobody Special's ISO, I disagree. He joined every bandwagon, and only provided legitimate reasons for the first two. But that doesn't actually show any intent, other than a lack of intent of putting effort into a vote. Actively trying to start bandwagons on one things...being on a bandwagon is another.

[Charnel]

and some are scum. Antitown people don't have an intention. NS does show that. Meaning that he isn't merely "antitown", but that he is scum.

reread and vote for the person I think scum then. Why are we lynching TL for information purposes and for your ego?

After reading Nobody Special's ISO, I disagree. He joined

every

bandwagon, and only provided legitimate reasons for the first two. But that doesn't actually show any intent, other than a lack of intent of putting effort into a vote. Actively trying to start bandwagons on one things...being on a bandwagon is another.

[Enigma]

right. Sure.
Can we like prod Enigma,Wingless,TL,Zang or something or are they not due? Feels like ages, man.

Am I allowed to sleep for like 8 hours in between my posts?

[Uprising]

Okay, chesskid3, you're kinda now giving me scum vibes. You seem far too overeager for my liking...


Wingless isn't scum, guys, just FTR.


Enigma probably isn't either.

[chesskid3]

Cool story bro

[Lrdwhyt]

Okay, chesskid3, you're kinda now giving me scum vibes. You seem far too overeager for my liking...


Wingless isn't scum, guys, just FTR.


Enigma probably isn't either.

...

Want to grace us with an explanation? About your behavior, or your suspicions?

[Uprising]

I cannot explain my behaviour.

My suspicions...
I don't think chess is scum because he thinks I'm scum, ftr.
He is being overly eager about getting TL lynched ASAP.
I'm probably wrong, but it's fine. If he dies and I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

Wingless isn't giving me scumvibes and his recent posts don't show him as scum to me.
Ditto for Enigma.

[chesskid3]

How about we lynch TL so I can mock Uprising, and then lynch uprising?