NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[DemonHybrid]

Yeah, he doesn't seem like mafia, but his play is very opportunistic. Hence the belief that he is a likely 3rd party killer, but that's only something Wraith and I brought up, IIRC. MME's thoughts have been almost non-existent and flinter's read on him screams town. Anti-hero's been in and out of this game.

[EtherDent]

Could you tell me more about Flinter?

-Ether

[DemonHybrid]

As far as our recent argument goes, read posts #2343 to #2353.

My earlier interactions with her had to do with her misrepping me quite a bit. See this post on: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2562839 to #2159.

She hasn't posted a lot otherwise, and it's mainly been cases on Bunny, Xite and Mysterio. She put a vote on Dana, but FoS'd Bunny in that same post. I know that the scumtell has always been to vote a townie and FoS a scumbuddy, so I'm not sure what to make of that vote post.

[EtherDent]

Random musing:
I don't know if one or two mafia are alive right now. If it's two, then town has already lost the majority, but of course the serial killer will lose if it doesn't help us lynch a mafiate today. That person should really be trying anyway, to be on the safe side.

Antihero (or I) can't be groupscum

except

with Demonhybrid, though of course there are other possibilities and shit.

-Ether

[DemonHybrid]

Antihero (or I) can't be groupscum except with Demonhybrid, though of course there are other possibilities and shit.

Explain this more. Not sure if I understood of if it's clear. Sorry.

[EtherDent]

It's actually wrong, sorry. There was something I wasn't taking into account.

-Ether

[flinter]

wow, It's really awesome you dared to replace into this monster.

Possibly you have already done that, but in your reread you should focus on the interactions Nhammen and Benmage had with others. Both were shot without being suspected. I think they are easier readable then Dana, who only seemed to make a point of avoiding his scumbuddies.

Nhammen's on and off on dana is particulary funny. It is a point in favor of Wraith. Both Nhammen and Benmage aren't willing to vote Reckoner while they do make little point against them. Reckoner was a lurker, who hasn't done anything. Demon replaced him. I'm not going to unvote, as I'm very confident in this read. I could unvote as a favor to you, but I would vote him later anyway.

I think the setup can't have been 1 sk, 4 scum, townies. That seems town-sided. I would expect 2 scum to be left, and a SK. With 6 players, the best we can do is lynch 1 mafia, and get into a kingmaker scenario. If we lynch the SK, we lose (I like to support your theories Pacman, but I'm really not the SK, or mafia.)

[flinter]

Yeah, he doesn't seem like mafia, but his play is very opportunistic. Hence the belief that he is a likely 3rd party killer, but that's only something Wraith and I brought up, IIRC. MME's thoughts have been almost non-existent and flinter's read on him screams town. Anti-hero's been in and out of this game.

I voted MME yesterday. He is, and was, scummy. Don't say I had reads which I hadn't.

[DemonHybrid]

...flinter's read on EPM screams town.

Uh, yeah. The subject of that post was EPM.

[DemonHybrid]

As in, your read on EPM is that "EPM is town".

MME's thoughts on EPM were non-existent.

[evilpacman18]

Alright I'm gonna gather all my information and do some thinking

Confirmed information

1. DH is scum and will be lynched today.
2. Ether can not be the SK and could only possibly be scum if we have more than one scum left.
3. I'm town.
4. The player count is either 4 town, 1 scum, 1 SK or 3 town, 2 scum, 1 SK.

So this leaves flinter, Anti, and Wraith for the SK possibilities and if there's more than one scum left, the second one would be anyone besides me, who is town, and DH, who is the first scum. Lynching Ether at any point before the final three is bad. So is lynching Wraith because his reads don't match up with the confirmed SK kills (benmage and nhammen). I can see SKlinter and SKAnti both making those two kills according to their play. As for scum, I don't really have an opinion on whether or not there could be more than DH. Guess we'll find out tomorrow after we lynch DH today. Ideally, the SK and (possible) remaining scum eliminate each other tonight.



I hoped that post would be more helpful but reading over it again it seems like a whole bunch of obvious information.

Also, DH, now you think I'm not scum but I'm either opportunistic town or the SK? And yet you never brought up the possibility of me being SK before just now and you've been trying to lynch me? At this point, voting me, since you apparently think I'm likely to be town, would be dumb. Should have brought that up earlier, or did you just make it up to appease the new player?

[flinter]

sorry DH. I misread.

Antihero. I know you aren't the SK. Do you understand why pacman names you?

[DemonHybrid]

flinter, you yourself made the question rhetorical. It was a legitimate question on my end, however, I discredited your "evidence", giving your bad reasoning absolutely no merit, so unless you had something else in mind, saying that I was trying to defend myself by saying "EPM should be lynched because he hammered when he thought singer was town" is WRONG and always will be WRONG.

You should realize 3 things.

1. I'm in a tough major in school and I don't always have time to sit here and dick around with mafia.
2. I'm in 6 games (which is partly my fault, but doesn't change the fact that I was mega busy)
3. I replaced in about 35 pages in the game, keeping me somewhat out of the loop permanently and making it very hard to stay consistent with the amount of posting that I do.

It's hypocritical that you should say that I'm opportunistic when you're willing to lynch me for awful reasons that you won't even try or can't even back up.

It's also hypocritical to say that I'm "nervous" when you're sitting there

bolding statements saying that we should definitely lynch DemonHybrid

in a crazy attempt to make your case look better when it has no merit.

I'm surprisingly with Wraith now, saying that EPM is most likely the 3rd party killer (unless a vig has a daily shot, that seems to be crazy rare nowadays however). I'm confident Flinter is the last scum though.

Unvote, Vote: Flinter. We lynch EPM after this, but I like the pressure on Flinter now. There's no way that you can try to flailingly back up such a bad case and be pro-town in the least.

Reading is fundamental.

How can you be "confirmed" that I'm scum? And why, after my back and forth with flinter and my shutting down of her case?

[DemonHybrid]

EPM, I just want to say, it shows a great lack of care that you would completely ignore an argument in a situation like this (LyLo? MyLo?) and not take in any available information before making a choice.

[EtherDent]

Possibly you have already done that, but in your reread you should focus on the interactions Nhammen and Benmage had with others. Both were shot without being suspected. I think they are easier readable then Dana, who only seemed to make a point of avoiding his scumbuddies.

That's interesting--the not-mafia read I had on Pacman was based on danakillsu's interactions with JDodge, and I'm hoping I can find more of that. (Specifically, post 88--right after his ramble about the giant conspiracy that was his wagon, he chainsaw defended Benmage against Pacman's predecessor anyway. Both were on his wagon.)

Unvoting DemonHybrid as a temporary measure is all I ask, thanks. Could you elaborate on mafia interactions with Wraith?

Pacman, could you explain the thought processes behind #1 and #2? Obviously I know the second one is true, but I didn't realize it was confirmed for the rest of you.

-Still Ether

[evilpacman18]

Reading is fundamental.

Lol missed that. My bad. You're still scum appeasing Ether though.

How can you be "confirmed" that I'm scum? And why, after my back and forth with flinter and my shutting down of her case?

I'm about as confirmed as I can be without having solid proof. Just based on the way you and Reck acted the whole game. Hopefully that answers Ether's question too.

[evilpacman18]

Forgot the second "

Fixed. -Mod

[EtherDent]

It doesn't make me more or less inclined to vote DemonHybrid, but it tells me there's nothing really huge I'm missing. That's fine as an answer.

-Ether

[DemonHybrid]

And you...still haven't commented on the case that I made. Do you just not like information, pacman, or..?

[EtherDent]

However, I think we should prevent a hammer before we get enough discussion, and I'm putting it out there now that I will unvote to prevent L-1 if it comes too early for my tastes.

Vote: danakillsu

Is there a reason you gave this courtesy to Dana, but aren't giving DemonHybrid the same even at my request?

[EtherDent]

Antihero! Hi!

Pacman, is me not being SK common knowledge?

-Ether, but I'm finally chatting with Yosarian now

[evilpacman18]

I think we can all agree that you're not the SK simply because MME couldn't have made kills while he wasn't here.

DH: Which case? The case for why you're town that was aimed at flinter?

[EtherDent]

Hi, Yosarian here. Probably don't have time to read the whole game right now, and we seem to be at lynch -1, so I'm going to have to pick and choose what parts of the game to focus on, at least for the moment.

A few quick questions to everyone, before I try to do any focused re-reads; this is just based on me looking at the list of who died back on page 1.

1. Just looking at the first page, it looks like the doctor got lynched on day 2. How did that happen? Were any of you on that wagon, and if so, why?

2. Again looking at that list, it looks like we lynched one scum so far this game. Who pushed that wagon, and who do you guys think comes out of that wagon looking more or less pro-town?

3. Looks like there was a dead cop, Kise; do we have any relevant role information from him?

If there's anything else I should look at in targeted re-reads, let me know. I'm probably going to go re-read day 4 first, since town actually lynched a scum that day, and that usually gives the best info.

-Yosarian2

[EtherDent]

I think we can all agree that you're not the SK simply because MME couldn't have made kills while he wasn't here.

Sounds good to me!

-Ether

[Antihero]

Welcome, Ether/Yos!

I've got to go now, but 1 thing that stuck out to me.

Confirmed information
1. DH is scum and will be lynched today.
2. Ether can not be the SK and could only possibly be scum if we have more than one scum left.
3. I'm town.
4. The player count is either 4 town, 1 scum, 1 SK or 3 town, 2 scum, 1 SK.

I'm not sure how any of these (maybe except #4) are "confirmed."

Preview edit: OK, I see what you're saying on #2; I did a quick search on MME's posting sitewide and saw that his last post on the entire site was his last post in this game. However, that relies on the assumption that he didn't log in without posting anywhere on MS.

That still leaves #1 and 3.