Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Porochaz]

Also his suggestion about roleblockers doesnt fit the previous flavour.

Ergo, ooba is a recruiter.

Bit of a jump 1 + 1 doesn't = 427

Also I don't really know why your ruling out option 3 totally.

[ooba]

And some gems from ooba:

ooba

I think this "noise" is some generic little mod shenanigan explaining why I don't just investigate and masonize people, see?
So I doubt the noise is anything significant, unless someone is perpetually tracking me/ watching my targets...

So you're saying the "noise" is just something that makes you run away..

- You might be a role which cannot investigate power roles which use their abilities that day .. People go out of their houses .. You come back to beat out info out of them but it's too late in the night to get a proper investigation ..
- You were not roleblocked N0 but were roleblocked yesterday .. Using the word "noise" again was just Flay's way of keeping it ambiguous so that you cannot say for sure that you were roleblocked ..

Ooba tries to explain why the flavor was the same for the "noise" for Andy on both N1 and N2, but that Andy was only blocked ONE of those nights.

This makes very little sense even at this point of the game, but it now makes ZERO sense because we know that:
-Roleblock flavor includes prostitutes. There is nothing of the kind evident here.
-Andrius' ISO #198 shows that he is able to hear "THE NOISE" and STILL get a successful investigation on Lord Gurgi.

Sorry but how is this an argument for scum and why is it a "gem"?
I was (and still am) unrecruited when I wrote that. I was trying to come up with reasons to why it turned out that way. The fact that it was wrong does not make me scummy.

Hey, ooba. I like how Andrius is on both lists.

which I didn't realize at the time, but this is a perfect example of scum not knowing whether to put his entire scum team in the "confirmed" list or not, and accidentally COPY-n-pasting instead of CUT-n-pasting. Major lulz now that I look back at it, which should have been a Major FoS when it happened...

I always copy paste names from main menu and rearranging them in alignment slots in most cases. Sometimes I slip up. And your argument here doesn't make sense:
- I put "Andrius" in both lists because scum sometimes aren't sure on scumbuddies
- ON the SAME day that Andrius comes out with a semi-suspicious non-result on me
If I had already recruited Andrius, I'm pretty sure no player is stupid enough to bus their own CR.

See also posts #1414-#1417.
RC vs Andy FTL (For the Lulz).

Called it.

I've tried reasoning it out
- Mass roleblock makes some sense since both of you got non results that day - But cannot think of something flavor wise to fit for that
- A framer would have probably kept incriminating evidence in my house instead of keeping it bare
Which leads to my final conclusion - both of you are scum. Why your teams want me dead so bad is beyond me though ..

[ooba]

I mean compare SS's reaction to my claim to Andrius's reactions to yours. Granted he may still be suspicious since you claim two common targets to his BUT you should consider Andrius all but confirmed enforcer if you've got the flavor results you have (esp for me) because
- If you think I am CR
-- Andrius was not recruited by Night one since he claimed the result on me
-- Robo protected Andrius Night two - therefore no recruitment of Andrius
-- Robo claimed only Day three
-- Therefore the only way I could have hypothetically recruited Andrius is to have roleblocked Robo with one of my minions on Night three and then recruited Andrius
But since we know roleblockers send flavor PMs - that point is ruled out ..

The impression I get is that both of you are at each other's throats for really not much reason - common sign of some inside info when there are two scum teams ..

[ReaperCharlie]

Mass roleblock makes exactly zero sense. Soooo diescumdie.

All the clever rhetoric in the world cannot save you now, ooba.

[Porochaz]

Your splaffing. Noone mentioned mass roleblocks.

[Porochaz]

Never mind my last comment I wasnt paying attention, your still splaffing though, your opinion at the most comes next to Robert Mugabe's opinion on banana's in terms of usefulness at this point in time.

[Chronopie]

There clearly wasn't a mass roleblock. I've been able to roleblock every night (barring flavour confirmed... yeah )

So Ooba's claimed the Zwet kill. That would indicate loose cannon, which indicates non recruiter. Am I missing something?

--

and I'll be semi-v/la over the next few days for exams.

[Porochaz]

No but Im glad your like the only person listening.

[Flameaxe]

Quick comments:

@ Chrono 2356 - I'm assuming that Charlie's theory assumes that the cults have a kill in addition to recruitment, and that is where the kill came from. Correct me if I'm wrong RC. Also, coming out of an exam myself, good luck on your exams!

@ Mass Roleblock: It's stupid. There, I said it.

@Ooba's wagon: Not sold. ENFORCERS: Again correct me if I am wrong here, but...Did you both not have information that said bad things would happen if you investigated a recruiter? Getting a no-result doesn't exactly fall into that category in my opinion, and I would find it odd that "investigation-immune" would result in a no-result, it kind of defeats the purpose of the immune part as you could just go down this same line of reasoning you are right now.

IMO a better idea: Is it worth a second investigation on ooba? That would give us information that would be a lot more telling in my opinion. I still prefer erg0, (xvart, inhim, gandalf) at this time, as I don't have a good concrete reason to disprove ooba's claim.

Let me know if you need something else to be commented on.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ 'bad things would happen if we investigate a recruiter': the role PM said something to the effect of "certain consequences would occur", which could mean veritably anything, but i'll take my chances with assuming that NOT TOWN and NOT RECRUITED and NOT ROLEBLOCKED could very well mean investigation-immune recruiter. I mean... what else could it mean? don't tell me that ANYONE believes this harebrained mass roleblock idea that ooba keeps bringing up?

@ porochaz: lulz. ooba wagon is twice as good as anything since buttered bread, stop being a party pooper and hop on this juicy and delicious train. when he flips recruiter i'll buy you a drink. and we can laugh about it if we survive to endgame. assuming you aren't already part of the larger cult and don't gut me in my sleep tonight for lynching your recruiter. but like I said, I'll take my chances.

@ everyone not on the ooba wagon: get here. now. go read my last three or four posts and VOTE OOBA.

[Robocopter87]

I'm not against Andrius but why am I protecting someone who the cult has obviously no interest in?

[ReaperCharlie]

So... Robo. What do you think about, perhaps, placing a vote on somebody? Preferably ooba.

I notice the last time you voted for anyone was when you voted for Faraday... a MONTH ago.

[ooba]

Glad everyone thinks mass roleblock is stupid .. It was a long shot but one of the few possible reasons I could possibly fathom ..

Nobody seems to be trying to guess why else I would have two non-results on me though .. "Inconsistent flavor results from Flay" is the only reason I can see listed out ..

Even the people who say I shouldn't be lynched - Poro, Flameaxe - should try and explain the N2 results ..

[ReaperCharlie]

Um. Wouldn't it be perfectly explained by the fact that you were investigation immune, and (as an aspiring godfather) would not have anything incriminating in your room?

[ooba]

Um. Wouldn't it be perfectly explained by the fact that you were investigation immune, and (as an aspiring godfather) would not have anything incriminating in your room?

It would - but I know that's not true ..

[Robocopter87]

Reaper, I am not voting Ooba. You lack sufficient evidence against him.

Why does the fact that you didn't get a result = scum? You are assuming that he is a godfather. You don't

know

that, you

think

that. And until you find evidence that connects the lack of a result on alignment I suggest you stop advertising his lynch to me.

[xvart]

Hi xvart,

Let me start by saying that I think your one of the better newbie's on the circuit at the moment, I enjoy modding with you and I have enjoyed playing with you and I hope you hang around for a while. However...

Why are you being completely retarded at the moment?

I mean yes, ooba doesn't look good and for all intents and purposes has probably been recruited but put it this way, he's claimed a kill, (zwet), from what we have gathered the role is most likely a vig/double vote one shot role, singer showed us the double vote. So he isn't a recruiter. Your also taking the word of a "enforcer" who we have no evidence to suggest he hasn't been recruited. As I say Robo claimed Day 3, so it is likely his last post is bullshit and is now recruited. However Andy, will still be town, as up until then Robo has protected him. RC hasn't had this luxury, his targets have been somewhere between iffy and terrible, and you want me to suspect, as one of my top 3 candidates that you think ooba is the best place for your vote? I think you are either seriously not thinking or your giving away one of your cult buddies.

Hi Prozac - I greatly appreciate the preamble as it does mean a lot to me; although it is unnecessary since I never take anything personally. But, the fact remains that ooba has more evidence against him than anyone else in the game. The fact that he claimed a kill means nothing to me because he could have claimed a N0recruited loose canon kill or killed as the recruiter if he has a kill.

Give me some actual evidence on someone else and then I'll consider a different voting option.

Once ooba flips recruiter I think we will have a pretty good idea of some of his recruits.

xvart.

[singersigner]

Um. Wouldn't it be perfectly explained by the fact that you were investigation immune, and (as an aspiring godfather) would not have anything incriminating in your room?

It would - but I know that's not true ..

Good defense, bro!

[singersigner]

Once ooba flips recruiter I think we will have a pretty good idea of some of his recruits.

And who might those be?

[ReaperCharlie]

Reaper, I am not voting Ooba. You lack sufficient evidence against him.

Why does the fact that you didn't get a result = scum? You are assuming that he is a godfather. You don't

know

that, you

think

that. And until you find evidence that connects the lack of a result on alignment I suggest you stop advertising his lynch to me.

Basically it boils down to: Are you going to trust a cop investigation (which makes perfect f*cking sense, btw), or are you gonna go "ohhhh, well... idk... that sounds kinda thin", and pull a guess out of your @$$ to try and nail scum?

So, which will it be?

[ooba]

Was going through a few posts, RC a question for you:

So I'm thinking about the possible causes that Andrius would get that result on ooba. It has to be either:
- it's a product of Andrius' role.
- it's an effect of ooba's role.
- it's an effect of a

factional

action (block, etc).

Why the word "Factional"? An individual can block right?

[ReaperCharlie]

Yep.

[ReaperCharlie]

btw... don't know if I mentioned it yet, but I've long since fallen in love with singersigner's avatar.

[ooba]

I was thinking the avatar was cute too.

Let me rephrase - what did you mean when you said factional? My understanding was "an ability shared by a faction like a factional kill". If so why list out only a factional block and not any block ?

[ReaperCharlie]

Because I am scum and obviously I have inside info that roleblocks are in fact factional and not held by each respective prostitute. [/sarcasm]

Duh, because everyone knows that only scum have roleblockers! (aside from in wonky games like your MWTT, *shakes fist*)