Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[AGar]

Fair enough. Checking something in my super secret scum snatching laboratory.

[AGar]

Hey guys, guess who

1) Wasn't on the Snake wagon
2) Never took a position towards the Snake wagon
3) Easily slid onto the CJ wagon

If you answered Haylen to any or all of the above questions, you're CORRECT!!!!!

Scum #2 found.

[Glork]

Duly noted.

[AGar]

I feel motivated guys.

[SnakePlissken]

EBWOP: If Snake flips town, though, I will be all over some of these people like stink on shit.

Better get ready then.

[Glork]

Unvote

Indecisive Glork is indecisive. Thursday I'm going to go back and read and figure out exactly wtf I want to do today.

[Haylen]

Hey guys, guess who

1) Wasn't on the Snake wagon
2) Never took a position towards the Snake wagon
3) Easily slid onto the CJ wagon

If you answered Haylen to any or all of the above questions, you're CORRECT!!!!!

So what? The snake thing was too difficult to follow as everyone was posting at once and my vote is based on what CJ has done, not what Snake or anyone else has done. Nice misrep though. Are you scum with Mothrax and CJ or are you the SK?

[UncertainKitten]

AGar brings up a good point.

My working scum list is now:

CJMiller
Snake
Lowell
Haylen

I feel CJMiller's actions benefit scum CJ more than town CJ. Glork is right that his jumping in just enough to vote the leading bandwagon is scummy. However, it is also explained by VI behavior. I am still fully willing to lynch anyone on my scum list, those today I REALLY want Snake or CJ dead.

All that said I'll

Unvote, Vote Snake

again.

@Haylen: Misrep is not a magical word that makes cases invalid. Especially when...
/me chuckles a bit
it's...ah...not ^-^.

[Haylen]

It is though What he's saying is stupid.

[UncertainKitten]

Except it's not. It's quite a valid tell, and very notable. Wagon behavior is critically important for finding scum, and he has said nothing untrue about you. Calling something someone says "stupid" does not refute it.

[Antihero]

The hardcore AtE + the continued refusal to scumhunt = scumSnake; I like my vote.

It doesn't make CJ scum, it just makes him absent for the past week. Regardless of whether you blame him, the mod or the players (or a combination of the three) for letting him get this far his absence isn't a scumtell.

No, his absense isn't scummy, and no one said it was. The fact that all he did was pop in and say "I'm not getting anything from my reread except Vote: snake" is scummy because it is, in all likelihood, not true.

I agree with the general sentiment "how the hell did you get to page 12 without posting?" but I think all of these CJMiller votes are being made out of annoyance that the player has not made a single post up until now rather than because they think he is scum. Glork's reason is slightly different but is still just a variation on the theme.

I don't think this is true.

Do not misrep me. It's scummy. And in this case it was obvious.

FoS Mothrax In happy with my vote for now. Would go with a mothrax lynch if asked.

lolwat? We've gone 13 pages, not heard a peep from you about mothrax, and now all the sudden you would "go with" a mothrax lynch?
This reeks of OMGUS.

Preview Edit: I'm not seeing an ounce of misrep from Agar.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: However, it DOES mean you aren't the play today, since it's based on Snake's flip.

[UncertainKitten]

@Antihero: OMGUS is not a scumtell, it is a buzzword. Please articulate your thoughts in a fashion that does not overuse rhetoric, thanks.

Rest of your post is decent, I just wanted to get that out there.

[Haylen]

From what I can gather hes:

A) accusing me of being scum because I wasn't on the Snake wagon
B) accusing me of being scum because I apparently fence sat on the snake wagon when i never even mentioned it in thread. Can't fence sit if you don't acknowledge something.
C) accusing me of being scum because I Voted CJ, which to me would suggest a chainsaw defence of CJ regardless of if he was attacking him earlier.

Antihero, I never OMGUS'd Mothrax because what I said about him was completely valid and I never voted for him anyway.

[UncertainKitten]

Can't fence sit if you don't acknowledge something.

But why didn't you acknowledge it? You do realize not providing an opinion on a wagon is scummy, right? Especially if the wagon leads to scum? That is the disputable part, granted.

The jumping onto CJ, an easily building wagon, without acknowledging Snake's wagon at all, is also scummy. It's a matter of "convenient for scum". It's convenient for scum to create and jump onto counterwagons when a scumbuddy is at risk. Again though, it relies on Snake being scum.

[Antihero]

Yeah, maybe OMGUS wasn't the best description for what I meant. My point was that it's weird that Haylen is good with a mothrax lynch from one post when there's 13 pages of content, and this comes after mothrax points out that what Haylen said is clearly not true.

From what I can gather hes:

A) accusing me of being scum because I wasn't on the Snake wagon
B) accusing me of being scum because I apparently fence sat on the snake wagon when i never even mentioned it in thread. Can't fence sit if you don't acknowledge something.
C) accusing me of being scum because I Voted CJ, which to me would suggest a chainsaw defence of CJ regardless of if he was attacking him earlier.

First off, nice job in isolating all those points off from each other. And C never really occured, AFAIK.

Antihero, I never OMGUS'd Mothrax because what I said about him was completely valid and I never voted for him anyway.

Vote, Finger of Suspicion, Toe of Suspicion, whatever. The semantics aren't important, here.

[Haylen]

Semantics are always important. They helped me catch Flayscum in a game once ^_^

So, Antihero, basically what you're saying is that I only commented on Mothrax's post because it was about me? You see, if I see something scummy, I will mention it. I don't care if it's about me, someone else in the game or casper the friendly ghost. Scummy is scummy.

C did occur because I voted for CJ and AGar called me scum. Also, how else was I meant to look at them, the only way they make sense to me is as a misrep.

I didn't acknowledge that wagon because I was busy at the time and everybody was posting and it was too much to get my head round.

[Antihero]

So, Antihero, basically what you're saying is that I only commented on Mothrax's post because it was about me?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[UncertainKitten]

I didn't acknowledge that wagon because I was busy at the time and everybody was posting and it was too much to get my head round.

The issue is that this is subjective. This may be true, but we aren't in your head. We're in our heads. Your actions lead us to a different conclusion. There's not a lot you can do about that.

Fixed quote tag. ~~NS

[Haylen]

Ah, Ok. I'm just gonna continue doing what I'm doing then ^_^ I take the backseat on day one usually with info gathering.

[UncertainKitten]

One hopes that if you are town, you find a way to prove it before we lynch you.

[Haylen]

Only your death can truly prove your role in mafia. For even where there is a sane cop, there's a chance that there is a framer in the game. Even where you are a cop and are sure of your sanity, there is a chance of having a miller or godfather in the game. But rest assured, If I go down I will go down attempting to irrationally prove that I am town despite knowing in the blocked rational part of my mind that proof can never be accepted in mafia. And if someone ever says they can prove it, be wary of it and think critically about who they are, what they are saying and what their intentions may be.

Atm, I really am unable to see any truth in mothrax's or agars statement except what he has twisted out of proportion when I look at it through my own eyes. My gut is confused at the moment because it is not giving me reads on anybody. Stupid gut.

[UncertainKitten]

I feel intent is a decent enough proof, and I can see a lot of scum intent from you. If you start producing town intent, I'll still be suspicious but less so.

[AGar]

From what I can gather hes:

A) accusing me of being scum because I wasn't on the Snake wagon
B) accusing me of being scum because I apparently fence sat on the snake wagon when i never even mentioned it in thread. Can't fence sit if you don't acknowledge something.
C) accusing me of being scum because I Voted CJ, which to me would suggest a chainsaw defence of CJ regardless of if he was attacking him earlier.

Antihero, I never OMGUS'd Mothrax because what I said about him was completely valid and I never voted for him anyway.

A) Conditionally yes.
B) Actually, it's the complete ignorance of it altogether that is scummy. That's still failing to take a position.
C) No, you're scum because you quickly hopped onto the CJ wagon with fervor that just so happened to also be a counterwagon rapidly growing against the Snake wagon (your scumbuddy).

Chainsaw defense is bogus, the fact that you're trying to point lame tells to yourself is wasting our time.

The flaring AtE of "OMG I CAN'T PROVE I'M TOWN TO YOU GUYS DURR" is really just poor, poor play.

Snake is still the play though. Post #275 is wonderful.

"Guys, people who post a lot are scummy, because they're trying to appear town. But this is conditional to the game. And besides, some people will sit in the background and try not to draw attention to themselves."

Does that not sit well with anyone else?

Glork, don't fall victim to the AtE. Just feel me on this one, brah.

[Haylen]

AtoE is something that only exists in the mind of the reader. My posts are not intentionally AtoE although I am flattered (and kinda worried for you) that they are affecting you so much that you need to push the feeling away and say it wont work on you.

Anyway, 'I cant prove im town' isn't AtoE because there's nothing remotely emotional in what I'm saying. I've been completely emotionless all game

How can one comment on a wagon that they don't understand? Explain that.

Im gonna combat your comment on my saying your chainsaw defending by saying that there is evidence in thread to suggest it.

If Snake is lynched and flips scum, then AGar is almost certainly his scumbuddy why because 'I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned my attacking Mothrax so violently when I am known for bussing my scumbuddies when it's unnecessary.' Paraphrased, btw.

Point C is useless because you have nothing to back it up. If you don't accept my evidence to suggest that you're chainsawing, then why should I accept the same amount of evidence to what you're saying about me?