Mini 1077 Lost: Season Two (Over)

[gandalf5166]

/confirm
My role makes me wonder if blowing myself up could potentially be a strategic choice.

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Just so you know, I know absolutely nothing about Lost. The only episode I've seen is the season finale of the first season. And that was when I was like seven.

VOTE:MoI

I've played several games with him, and he's never been scum. He was a Jester once, but I'd rather not bring that one up. Only makes sense that he'd have to be scum this time.

[gandalf5166]

ITT: People who don't understand probability.

We understand probability just fine, we're just trying to have a little fun in RVS.
VOTE: Chess
For spoiling our fun.

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I can tell you for a fact that he was kidding. You might ask, how do I know this? Easy: Jason's not retarded.

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CHRIST THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CEBM OF MINIS, I CAN ALREADY TELL. That said, somebody's scum in this argument. Guess who it is.

VOTE: Chesskid

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I want to make post 108.

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Lol.

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[gandalf5166]

When I said that one of the people in the discussion was scum, I was just observing a fact, not saying that there was something about the discussion that one of the participants had to be scum.

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Actually, CK is right. I think he purposely plays completely ridiculous every game, but a different kind of ridiculous every game. All my attempts to meta him have failed. Hence, I'm not unvoting just because he's playing against some scum meta you have of him.

[gandalf5166]

The reference to CEBM is because that game went REALLY fast. Like, you would be gone for two days and there would be twenty pages up. Also, I have posted a couple of things that weren't fluff.

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Vezok is pretty easy to read. I would say with near 100% certainty that he is town.

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Have you ever played with vezok before? Reading him is different than reading most people. Just look at a couple of games from his wiki. He just acts differently when he's scum.

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Reading him isn't more difficult. It's actually incredibly easy. I can't really explain it though, you really might just want to look at his wiki. Pick a scum game and a town game and ISO him in each.

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I'd rather not answer that question. It's not relevant.

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Scum is:
CK3(fairly certain on this one)
Likely scum:
Callandor
Enigma
Random gut read:
jason

PEDIT: Vezok never offers anything gamewise. Literally, the last game I played with him, he broke down while he was being attacked for exactly what you are attacking him for and insisted that "it's not like you have to analyze me or anything". That was when he left the site.

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Do you think Enigma's buddying with Vren is role-related? Like he's trying to breadcrumb something?

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You can ask anyone who's ever played with vezok, they'll tell you.

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You can ask anyone who's ever played with vezok, they'll tell you.

Really, gandalf, that's all you have to say? Can't you elaborate a little more on why vezok is so bloody innocent?

No, I really can't. Sorry. But trust me, he's town.

Gandalf didn't respond to me buddying to to him..
I thought he would make the connection that I have some role related information with him and I was trying to breadcrumb something to him.

Now really ... why would you think that I was trying to breadcrumb something Gandalf, is this something that is specified in your role PM? Because normally, I'm sure people wouldn't arrive to that conclusion.

The way you were just buddying with him really really hard and blatant like that, seemed like it had motivations that had nothing to do with getting him to like you. Also, I didn't notice your breadcrumb because I knew nothing about Lost. I did some wikipedia'ing though, and now I know what you were saying.

I'm a lot more suspicious of Enigma now, for reasons that have to do with my role. However, I think that his role(whatever it is, I have no idea) might be able to explain the problem, so I'm not going to vote him just yet. I'll have an eye on him though.

Scum is:

CK3(fairly certain on this one)

Likely scum:
Callandor
Enigma
Random gut read:

jason

PEDIT: Vezok never offers anything gamewise. Literally, the last game I played with him, he broke down while he was being attacked for exactly what you are attacking him for and insisted that "it's not like you have to analyze me or anything". That was when he left the site.

Don't make me go back and quote where you said some

one

in that argument is scum. I don't like having my time wasted.

Jason hadn't been acting scummy back then.

that was irrelevant of me believing you were scum, that was me laughing at Gand's stupidity

We

COULD

be scum together, and doing this to distance ourselves

Oh no, you're absolutely not scum with CK. But from what I've heard of S1, it had a couple of TPs too?

[gandalf5166]

Third Party.

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Wtf are you on about?

I posted that purely fishing for a reaction, as you can see for many of my posts in the game thus far.

I was just being immature towards Vren (think of it as online flirting) and I have no idea what you are on about. The fact that you have inside game knowledge reeks to me of a third party role.
And what did you have to Wikipedia to learn about? I refereed to nothing remotely related to flavor.
I don't even know what your trying to achieve by not voting me?

So I have no idea what you are trying to out (and you are probably making the situation worse) nor can I satisfy your need for an explanation to the situation but all I can see is you saying, "Look I'm a third party role!"

Oh, wow. The way you phrased it.......... I guess it was just coincidence. >.>

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I'm a lot more suspicious of Enigma now, for reasons that have to do with my role. However, I think that his role(whatever it is, I have no idea) might be able to explain the problem, so I'm not going to vote him just yet. I'll have an eye on him though.

If this is straying into the use of role to mean Character (and thus flavor) you are earning my vote immediately.

I did mean my character. Not sure why it's vote-worthy though.

@ jasonT, chesskid3, gandalf5166

– Did you purposely not respond to my Census / Dekes queston or did I miss it in my review?

I must have missed it.

I'm not third-party. I will say, however, that my alignment can change.

I will NOT tell you how my alignment can change, or my character. When it comes claim time, I will claim any abilities, but don't expect a name claim, or a claim of how I am recruited. I am NOT a traditional traitor, don't worry. By claiming this I am not making it so that scum can immediately recruit me.

If something happens in game, I will become part of the scumteam. I won't tell you what it is, so don't ask. HoweverThe reason I was suspicious of Enigma was because I thought he knew what my role was, by what I now realize was just simple coincidence in word choice. I didn't see it as likely that town would know what my role was. Howver, I want to say this:

It is highly unlikely that I will be recruited. It's not really something scum would want to do. If it happens, it will be town's fault, and only if they are COMPLETELY careless.

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Scum would have to harm themselves to intentionally recruit me. If they can convince town to be stupid, however, they can get rid of a townie and recruit me in one fell swoop. That's what I meant by town having to be stupid.

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Also, if anyone blows themselves up, Gandalf gets lynched is what he basically just said. Yawn.

Lol not that obvious. How would mafia convince someone to blow themselves up? It has to do with someone else's role. And no, this person does not know that they have this ability, so don't go asking for a claim. It might actually be safest if nobody ever targeted me. And yes, I currently win with town.

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Vigging me would not be a good idea. I'm just going to say that.

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Especially since, as I've already said, targeting me PERIOD is probably not a very good idea. You could end up converting me, and I'd rather not flip alignments AND die all in one fell swoop.

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I can't be vigged. Just don't try. Sorry. I'D actually like to be vigged, since I've already caught all the scum, and thus I think it would really suck if I got recruited, but it won't work. And it would be a REALLY bad idea. Just trust me.

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No, he's scum. But not as scum as Enigma or Callandor after my claim, true. And yes, I think that the obvious town reaction is to want to vig me. Just trust me(I realize that you have no reason to), it's a BAD idea.

VOTE: Callandor

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He did say VIG GANDALF a few times..........

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I think that unless we recieve some definitive proof that Dekes is lying about his census(Example: we get more than one TP flip), he's off-limits. As for him using his ability, I would have done the same. Obviously, I'm the balancing factor to that, and it would have been really useful to town if he had saved it for later so that he could know if I was recruited(if he had gotten the same 2-1-9 results later, it would have basically cleared me since there's gotta be more than one scum at game start, and if he had gotten 3-1-8 or the equivalent for that phase in the game, it would have confirmed I had been recruited, since 4 potential scum is a little OP), but there's no use crying over spilled milk. Although the mere fact that there was a role with a census ability should have all but confirmed there was a traitor-esque role. The only game I've been in with a census-taker and no traitor was dramonic's Alphabet Mafia.

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Let me make myself clear: When I say I can't be vigged, I mean I CAN'T be vigged. Like, you can try, but I won't die, and there are potentially LARGE consequences for town. So DON'T. I really wish you could vig me, but you can't.

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What I'm saying is that he's confirmed town unless there's definitive info that syas he's lying. His claim supports my claim and vice versa. So its going to take confirmed info to get me to vote for Dekes. And no, I won't blow myself up. I'm sorry, I'm playing to win, and my Role PM and further questioning of Reck implies that blowing myself up could have severe consequences.

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No, I'm town until I get recruited. Why do you think I'm claiming TP?

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Wow lol............ Why the fuck did jason claim? That was NOT the kind of thing you're supposed to claim until L1.

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Great, and now we know you're part of a masonry/neighborhood........ If you're trying to breadcrumb, just stop. In fact, make as little reference to your ability as possible. Maybe scum will just forget.........

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tough.. the PM will be sent by a group decission not yours

Then what does this mean? Unless it has to do with parts of your role you haven't already revealed, in which case don't answer.

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I interpreted him saying that his ability use being a group decision as meaning that he was in a group like a masonry/neighborhood.

I understand the difference between a Neighbor and a Friendly Neighbor.

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My claim was made with reasoning. Not reasoning I'll explain to you as it could hurt my potential WC, but reasoning. Jason's was just stupid, as he had literally NO wagon. It was chess. And chess is chess.

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@Gandalf - No. You claimed completely unprovoked, and as far as I'm concerned, you're worthy of a vigging, and if you don't die due to it, we lynch you. Your play was stupid. I really care nothing else on what "logic" you have, it was a bad play.

I actually claimed because if I see it as likely that I might be recruited in the near future and the odds for scum don't look good, I want to be able to tell you guys and you lynch me before it happens without it seeming like a desperate jester gambit. But do you really want to lynch someone who is almost certainly not scum, at least currently, when you could lynch someone who IS scum, currently?

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Dekes, MoI, vezokpiraka

I can say for the sake of transparency(not because I think jason would actually consider it) that jason's action would not convert me.

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Wow lol. We don't self-nominate because while I know I'm town, everyone else doesn't. The point of this is not just to get it sent to town, but also to get it sent to someone who EVERYONE in the game could reasonably agree is town.

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No, if it gets sent to me, and I'm town, then sure, I'll have received it, but who's to say I wasn't recruited? It doesn't prove anything.

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But there are some people who think they are scum, no? So the point of jason's action is for us to confirm jason. If jason sent it to MoI or AGar, those people wouldn't be satisfied that jason was town. They both know that, so they didn't self-nom because they knew that that wasn't the point.

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If someone reports getting the PM tomorrow life is good. If that person later flips scum, jason may have to defend himself, but if ANYONE reports getting a PM, Jason is not tomorrow's lynch, and therefore town should be putting themselves on their lists

Nope. If Call gets the PM, it'll mean less than nothing to me. Same with Enigma. Or Toon Fighter. If I don't think the person who received it is town, then it just means them and jason are buddies.

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Enigma

Yup, TF is scum.

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Wait, I'm not voting for Enigma?

VOTE: Enigma

Where the hell WAS my vote?

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I like the makeup of this wagon. It's entirely town.

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Wasn't I on your scumlist, gandalf?

Lol at getting games confused. I'm pretty sure this is the only game where I think you're town.

DAYKILL: GANDALF5166

Obviously bullshit. It's not bolded.

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And it looks like the mod has been on as TF quotes are mod fixed (note the bold green fixed in 496) and given that evedience of mod being on and no scene, we can assume bullshit trying to press fear into town.

Revote and hang this scum now

Even if he had day-killed me, there wouldn't be a modscene. Unless he has modscenes for failed Daykills(which, in one ongoing game, he did). I'm bulletproof, remember?

In fact, that was probably the point. After this, he's going to claim that he forgot about my bulletproof claim, then say he was oneshot, that way he doesn't have to actually prove his ability.

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he still needs to hang

QFT. We have scum 100% guys.

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That was REALLY weird. I actually had to look back at the first post to see who actually died.

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Why does end of day imply that I'm not bulletproof? Because I am, I promise you.

And no, I'm not going to tell you about my role.

TWO POSTS LEFT

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^ 2 kills last night dram, cmon think.

Actually 2scums + sk is POSSIBLE.

Magna/??

+ a 3rd party SK who's kill didn't go through Night 1? Not impossible. Although less likely.

So what you're saying is that IF you're town, and IF I was converted into a 2 man scumteam, thus making it 3p, you're fucked, right? So do you think I was recruited? Yeah, get a brain. The key was a oneshot deal, the penalty for me having to use it is that I lost my bulletproof. FUCK YOU JASON.

What the fuck is a supercop?

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But...... town can't get a majority today. So you would definitely be fucked, since a scum lynch would be impossible.

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Well, I'm not claiming. But I want Call and Magna to fullclaim RIGHT FUCKING NOW. Also, the hatch thing isn't what switched my alignment. I already told you what switches my alignment. If vezok is telling the truth, we may have caught a scum.

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I don't get recruited by scum. I get recruited by a certain member of the town targeting me.

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Oh dammit. Scum is no longer caught. However, you haven't told us about the supercop OR the watcher power that you've been softclaiming.

[gandalf5166]

I'm sorry, is there some flavor thing I'm missing?

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Okay, that makes more sense, see? Although it makes me wonder why I lost powers instead of gaining them. That said, I have one last question: How was your guilty worded? More precisely, is it possible that MoI is third party?

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True. Scum WOULD want to lynch TP. Unless they have some weird paranoia that I'm fakeclaiming traitor and MoI is the real one. >.>

That said, I'm not sure I really believe that you have a "supercop".

It just plain doesn't make sense.

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This whole supercop thing just sounds like a load of bullshit to me.

VOTE: Faraday

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Magna didn't even fucking CLAIM yet gandalf apparently doesn't give a fuck, despite asking for a claim.

Once you claimed ascetic, the claim didn't matter.

[gandalf5166]

What? Faraday is a Vengeful-style Godfather?

Also, Faraday, do you seriously think that Dekes was lying? And that in addition, a three-man scumteam in a mini has a traitor?

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PM me when S3 starts.