Mini 1080 -- txtMafia -- Game OVER

[Tasky]

VT (short for Vote) Antihero

, for being the only one I've played with.

@mod, what happens if a vote is contained in the truncated part of a post?

If a Vote is truncated, it will not be counted.

[Tasky]

mothrax that isn't a

complete

game

Equinox, you are right. your name

did

sound familiar

no abbreviations that make reading difficult, please

VOTE: Antihero

[Tasky]

Can't remember playing with you, which game was it?
lol?
RayFrost, please don't call me tas, can't identify myself with that.

[Tasky]

GMT+1, medium activity. let's say one post per day. I actually signed up in this game because I expected not to read (or write) huge Wall o'Text.

[Tasky]

To much spam right now to seriously start scumhunting.

[Tasky]

UNVOTE: VOTE: kunkstar7, let's start a wagon.

[Tasky]

missed his V/LA,

UNVOTE

[Tasky]

(Almost) everything posted the first pages is spam. Therefore I prefer to keep quite at the beginning and observe. I usually get into the game slowly.

[Tasky]

I really can't get reads the first day. People posts a lot of nonsense, non-existing reads. D1 ends in a random lynch anyway. The Content/Spam ratio at the begi

[Tasky]

nning is very low, so I really am not going to read every post.
I like it to slowly tune in on the game, posting more and more content, while forgetting and ign

[Tasky]

oring less and less.
This playstyle is the best for me, trust me, in the end it will turn out to be pro-town at least as much as the whole day-one spam.

[Tasky]

So you never missed a V/LA or forgot it? WOW.
I only skim over some posts. Especially if I see the same two fill 3 pages.
I was answering questions

[Tasky]

UNVOTE: VOTE: AurorusVox.

[Tasky]

You know, people's playstyles change. The game you are talking about, my early activity just got me a load of wrong reads.

[Tasky]

I am not forcing you to agree with me or to play that way, but I ask you to respect my way of playing. It's the best for me and it will give the best results.

[Tasky]

yes

whole game, first day, only at the very beginning and two ongoing games.

[Tasky]

so you think I didn't actually missed the V/LA but faked that to park a vote early? Why would I ever do that? Isn't it you going for an easy attack on me here?

[Tasky]

more AurorusVox votes, please.

[Tasky]

here are the games I played as scum on mafiascum:
one, two

[Tasky]

AurorusVox is scum.

[Tasky]

Because I say so.

[Tasky]

I just know it. Couldn't really say why.

[Tasky]

do you think that dislike is going to find scum?
Why is it significative that something is happening for the first time this game?



PS: click here.

[Tasky]

well, not

only

gut. But right now I don't feel like telling you. But, you ARE scum. I just know.
wtf? / what is an "ask me later marked"

[Tasky]

lol. nonsense post is nonsense.
"I pressured Tasky..." = "look how town I am" <- scummy

[Tasky]

and when it is "later"?
so? has AH voted you? no! Why did you feel the urge to defend yourself against such a minor point?

[Tasky]

VOTE: The Fonz.

[Tasky]

Tasky: why the vote change?

why not?

[Tasky]

I don't know whether AV is/was scum. All I know is that I liked my vote on him and that I like my vote on Fonz too.

[Tasky]

I usually fake certainty when voting a player. Scum's got to feel the pressure.
PS: I meant my vote on AV
PPS: I mean my vote on you even more

[Tasky]

Fonz>AV>>mothrax

[Tasky]

nooo, you can't abandon me like that!!!

[Tasky]

dropoff coincides perfectly with real life issues.

[Tasky]

The Fonz is likely scum. yes. (no, I am not 100% certain, let's say 70%)

[Tasky]

let's talk about how The Fonz and AV are scumbuddies.

[Tasky]

AV = scum:

crap case. people miss V/LA sometimes
continues in same case
here asks for meta while not using it at all => fake scumhunting



1/4

[Tasky]

The Fonz = scum:

misrep., scum trying to placate scumhunter (sandwich post), can't believe this from someone on site since 2007 => mudslinging,



2/4

[Tasky]

likely scumbuddies:

one, two, three

any questions?


3/3 (only 3 posts after all.)

[Tasky]

terrible backtrack after people were leaving wagon and exposing it's crappiness
after it's clear I'm town he suddenly starts defending me=>town-cred-fish


2/4

[Tasky]

sorry, messed up post-splitting. read in this order 643-646-644-645

[Tasky]

I guess you are talking about magician's mafia. it was the last day (or last two days) before deadline and we were in a tight spot. so I took the time to post t

Truncated. ~~NS

[Tasky]

selective quoting=more scumpoints for you, Fonz. I want the game to go forward, I just feel that it get's forward most when I keep out a little at the beginning

[Tasky]

I am not going to lurk the whole game, in fact if you noticed, I am already stopping. the point is, I really don't like to be involved in the early game.

[Tasky]

I like having a wagon on me early, it's easier to analyze a wagon on me than one on someone else because I know I am town.

[Tasky]

As soon as the wagon starts, mostly there are immediately people who are clearly just looking for an easy vote. (in this game, AV is one of those)

[Tasky]

can we have more Fonz votes please?

[Tasky]

I felt AV was scum. Then I felt Fonz was scum. Then I saw that them being buddies fitted quite well and so I renewed my suspicion on AV.

[Tasky]

(*/* -> *) = scum eager to incriminate me reading what they want to read.
*: I never put mothrax in my top 3 reads. this was an answer to Equinox (note the >>).

[Tasky]

*: you voted me, so I know at least that you are wrong => I look closer at you. => I see absolutely no good intention in your vote => I vote you.

[Tasky]

*: and still you use it as an attack point here.

[Tasky]

*: sandwich post = goodthing-badthing-goodthing = classical move to insinuate someone is wrong, while avoiding a direct attack => terribly scummy.

[Tasky]

*: there is no such thing as OMGUS: you vote me => you are either simply wrong or malevolent. as I said, there was only malevolence in your attack.

[Tasky]

*: nothing wrong with that. but could you please point me out where Equinox used >>, didn't see it.

[Tasky]

*: actually I wanted to make that post a while ago already. I already had the same problem in other games (*). [/OffTopic]

[Tasky]

*: I did'n make misleading meta statements. I said that I don't like getting involved in the first part of the game and that I do/did that in other games too.

[Tasky]

*: not a coincidence at all. As I said, I wanted to make that post, and the discussion in this game made me decide to finally do it.
*: I understand that.

[Tasky]

*:

I

have an information others don't have; like a PR who can't prove their info (w/o claiming), yet votes according to it.

[Tasky]

*: I did make a serious (gut) vote. As it turns out, it was a good one too.

[Tasky]

*: AV and Vi. will post complete cases on both soon.
considering actions on me, AV get's even more suspicious, and you get into the list too.
UNVOTE: VOTE: AV

[Tasky]

current top 3 reads:

town:

Equinox
RayFrost
Antihero

scum:

AV
TheFonz
Vi

[Tasky]

AV: he is currently quite focused on Equi (.../*/*/*/*/*)
1. his case is scummy on it's own since it is a) rolefishy and b) nonsense.
2. he put much less


1/2

[Tasky]

effort into the Kunk-case (1/2/3/4 is all there is) yet votes Kunk because right now Kunk seems to be an easy target. also his case is mostly BS (esp. 2)

2/2

[Tasky]

*: scum-Vi is a recent read. I never Ray-townish, because I usually don't talk about town-reads. I was asked for a general read-overview.

[Tasky]

Vi:

this first pinged my radar and made me reread Vi. He backs off RF in the scummiest possible way, because "town didn't follow him", he feels pressured

1/4

[Tasky]

by town to vote AV.
only issue: would he bus AV-scum so early?*
looking back: inexistent case and a nonsensical vote on RF (who's one of my town-reads).

2/4

[Tasky]

*now this happened:
Vi, as soon as the general heat was sinking on AV (why?!), he immediately drops his vote and expresses his intent to vote the

3/4

[Tasky]

biggest wagon kunk => opportunistic scum who wants to get off his buddy, especially in light of not understanding kunkstar hate earlier

4/4

[Tasky]

*: Would you mind restating the case on k* in your own words?
esp. what changed since the wagon on k* being shaky?

[Tasky]

*: you still think Eq is scum, but unvote him because there's bigger chance to lynch k* at deadline?
Who would you lynch if you were to choose?

[Tasky]

DAMN! AV IS SO MUCH MORE SCUM THAN KUNKSTAR! CAN WE VOTE AV PLEASE?

[Tasky]

ok. I'll stop the MD-threat.
will continue it as soon as this game is over.
sorry.

[Tasky]

*: because you are his buddy. lol.

[Tasky]

VOTE: AurorusVox
this time you do what I say.

[Tasky]

VOTE AURORUSVOX, GUYS. HE IS SCUM!!

[Tasky]

[>>] = [much more]
[X>Y>>Z] = [X slightly scummier than Y], [Z not scummy compared to X/Y].
different from [X>Y>Z] = [X,Y,Z are scummy in that order]

[Tasky]

In fact I stated explicitly that mothrax was not in my top scumreads.

[Tasky]

Herod, explain what's the point of your case there. It's clear to me that TF assumed [>>] wasn't much different from [>], which is wrong but not scummy.

[Tasky]

AH:
do you think AV is town?
why is Kast more scummy than chamber (since you voted him because of this)?
why are you voting Kast over Vi? (considering this)

[Tasky]

AV: explain how [this, this, etc. vs. this] is anything other than hypocritical.

[Tasky]

herod: Actually the fact that I say so should be enough.
If you need more reasons than that, look here, here, here, here, here.

[Tasky]

AV: If you're town, scum already knows that you are PR. => claim PR/not PR. DO NOT fullclaim, as scum lacks info about which PR. only claim useful results.

[Tasky]

ninja: damn, AV. you shouldn't have claimed that.

[Tasky]

I assume I am T.: I didn't switch to AV because of deadline but because my scumread on you was based only on your attack on me the one on him on much more. (*)

[Tasky]

AV:
1. why didn't you fullclaim, if you thought you were in danger? isn't softclaiming a scumtell in your opinion?
2. is the "I was drunk" reason serious?

[Tasky]

ftf: how about reading what I say before asking redundant questions?

[Tasky]

Herod:
1. do you think AV is town? if yes why?
2. who exactly is your top scum-read atm?

[Tasky]

LYNCH THIS OPPORUNISTIC SCUMBAG!!
AV: Why is RF suddenly scum? I didn't see you having him as a suspect. what changed?

[Tasky]

@RF: look here for my case on AV. Add his late opportunistic voting and you have your perfect scumbag.

[Tasky]

so you are lynching him because he claimed VT, even if you don't think he is scum?

[Tasky]

so you are lynching him because he claimed VT, even if you don't think he is scum?

[Tasky]

AV: how likely to you think RF is scum?

[Tasky]

AV: do you think RF is scum?
if you answered no, and still want to lynch him, you are definitely not town. (reminder: town are those who want to lynch scum)

[Tasky]

Everybody read this please.
Now, AV: are you voting for RF because you find him suspicious or because he claimed VT?

Link removed.

Tasky, you are dangerously close to my one remaining viable nerve.

[Tasky]

@mod: you should probably delete AV's link too. I just followed that link, and linked another post of that thread. Hadn't noticed it was an ongoing game.
sorry

[Tasky]

WUT?: why do people continue to not vote scum but instead follow some stupid policy lynch?

[Tasky]

Herod: people keep policy lynching, while AV is scum.
what's ironic there?

[Tasky]

AV is so scum.
I had a strong town-read on AH D1, lurking got him to null. I'd be willing to vote him at deadline. I will not vote RF, my top town read.

[Tasky]

TF: how exactly are RF and AH scummier than AV?

[Tasky]

TF: I feel absolutely no malevolence or opportunism in his (RF's) actions. I didn't spot any real scum-tells. like most town reads, it's more a general thing.

[Tasky]

Between AH and RF, AH is definitely the better lynch.

unvote

, VOTE: Antihero

[Tasky]

unvote

.

[Tasky]

chamber, how likely do you think a Vi/AV scumteam is?
what would a AV flip tell you on Vi and vice versa?

I will answer my questions after I get your answers.

[Tasky]

scum: AV, Vi
null: TF, Herod, FtF, WW, Kast
town: chamber, RF


chamber, could you please restate "Thank you for actually making me look at number tasky"

[Tasky]

AVscum~70%
if AVscum: Viscum~75%
if AVtown: Viscum~40%
=> Viscum ~65%
=> Vi and AVscum ~53%
=> Viscum: AVscum~82%
=> Vitown: AVscum~50%

obviously null = 30%

[Tasky]

=> we lynch AV/Vi

VOTE: AurorusVox

[Tasky]

deadline is tomorrow.
since you all don't seem to want to lynch AV, could we settle on a Vi lynch? That should be acceptable for most, no?

unvote

, VOTE: Vi

[Tasky]

^Herod: Kast will vote Vi. As long as he does that he's ok.

[Tasky]

CAN WE VOTE VI PLEASE!?? THERE DEFINITELY IS THE SUPPORT FOR THAT WAGON.
and Vi lynch > WW=AH lynch >>> RF lynch

and RF is town
and WW should contribute

[Tasky]

@mod, could we at least drop the lynching requirement to five, since without Ftf it's effectively just 9 players playing?

[Tasky]

WW

is

AH. Replacement.

yes, I know. I just put AH since my actual townish read was on him not on WW (who hasn't posted anything).

[Tasky]

vote: no lynch

massclaim is for tomorrow.

[Tasky]

STOP DISCUSSING AND VOTE NO LYNCH NOW.
it is the only logical move and the more discussion is going on, the more info scum has for their NK

[Tasky]

wait, can you please explain what we gain from lynching today?
it is quite unlikely there is a NK beside scum

[Tasky]

@mod: do scum have to kill or can they choose not to kill?

[Tasky]

huh? if we have an info role, isn't it be better to no lynch once before outing them, so they have one more investigation?
please rephrase "also whoever..."

[Tasky]

a protective role already died, killing role seems unlikely since there was only one kill/night. investigation however is quite likely in some form.

[Tasky]

so you are suggesting massclaim first and then NL anyway? wouldn't that give scum a really good night where they can kill EXACTLY who they need to kill?

[Tasky]

better?:
everybody instead just says cop/non cop. if we have a cop, we NL and massclaim tomorrow. else we massclaim and lynch.
=> less info for scumkill if NL.

[Tasky]

the cop claims his results... I thought that was obvious.

[Tasky]

can't we just do a "cop-massclaim"?
exactly like a massclaim. popcorn.
just that it's cop (with results)/noncop

now tell me, what exactly is the drawback?

[Tasky]

assume there is a cop. according to you, best move is to get invests and then NL.
better to give scum least possible info
otherwise we massclaim anyway.

[Tasky]

maybe he hopes for a scumfakeclaim. if we just copclaim popcornstyle, it's exactly like massclaim, with less info for scum if we decide to NL afterwards

[Tasky]

but they have to commit to cop/non cop in the first claim round.
how much difference does it make in the second round if they know whether there is a cop?

[Tasky]

there is a little difference but compared to the advantage they have if we decide to NL (and they can kill knowing everybody's role), it's really not much.

[Tasky]

pappums, you better choose AV or Vi to claim now.

[Tasky]

*: I want scummiest people to claim first. I find AV/Vi scummiest. => I want AV/Vi to claim as soon as possible.
simple

[Tasky]

VT, AV next

[Tasky]

AV, targets?
Herod, targets?

in this order preferably.

[Tasky]

I'd also like to know from both the reasons for their choices (especially if you choose to no-kill, AV).

[Tasky]

there are obviously at least two scum in {Ftf, RF, ch}.
then we have either a GF in {TF, Vi} or one of {AV, H} fakeclaimed.

1/3

[Tasky]

I really doubt a Vi/AV scumteam at this point, so my whole read was wrong. this however also means my ch townread is gone.

2/3

[Tasky]

since I still have a townread on RF and I believe H's claim, we shall lynch one of {Ftf, ch} and decide on {TF, Vi, AV} later.

vote: chamber

3/3

[Tasky]

the town read was based on the fact that you had almost the same reads as me. since those reads turned out to be wrong, the tell is null or even a bit scummy.

[Tasky]

I had 2 people who I thought are scum. so I assumed them scum
if now you accuse both of them, I think "you have to be town because you wouldn't bus two buddies.

[Tasky]

rethinking:
if there are two scum in {AV, TF, Vi}, obviously AV is scum => Vi/AV this would clear ch, so Vi/AV/{PR,RF}
if there is only one scum, TF more

1/2

[Tasky]

likely since Vi or AV would probably imply each other.
in this case TF/2of{PR,ch,RF}

since I still have a good town read on RF,

vote PR

, appears in both.

2/2

[Tasky]

no. I'm labouring under the impression that you are scum iff Vi is scum.
and if 2 of {TF,AV,Vi} are scum, you have to be, since {TF,Vi} can't be together.

[Tasky]

papp needs to die.

I'm getting more and more attracted by the {PR,AV,Vi} scumteam - idea again
maybe my reads weren't so wrong after all.

[Tasky]

2 goon, GF
vs.
cop, JK, 7 VT

doesn't seem that unbalanced.
with few town PR's, JK > Doc, as he can prevent kills in 2 ways.
consider scum got lucky N1.

[Tasky]

with no GF and vig, we have:

3 goons vs. cop, JK, vig, 6 VT
town too strong

and if exactly 1 of {TF, AV, Vi} is scum, then it's very likely TF

[Tasky]

because Vi <=> AV scum
so if only one of {Vi, AV, TF} are scum, then likely it is TF.
this is why I think Vi/AV is a likelier scenario.

[Tasky]

I don't agree: the doc is only better if the cop is outed. until that point a JK reduces scum's NK's with double efficiency, cause he can protect or block scum.

[Tasky]

the only reason why a doc is stronger is because of "follow the cop". but a cop has no reason to out himself, if he doesn't know whether there is a doc.

[Tasky]

therefore a doc is much stronger than a JK in an open setup, or when there are a lot of town-PR's. in a closed setup with just one other PR, a JK is stronger.

[Tasky]

the small chance he unwittingly blocks the cop is more than made up by the double protecting probability
and don't forget the higher versatility of the JK

[Tasky]

I suggest we lynch p_r. AV then targets someone except ch. If AV's kill works, ch likely BPGF, we lynch him. otherwise ch not BPGF, we look at {TF, Vi, AV}

[Tasky]

hi. sorry, was away yesterday/most of today.

we should lynch a red before we go for GF/lying AV
we should not lynch ch, as AV's potential vig-shot

1/2

[Tasky]

can give us more info about him
out of {pr,ch,RF}, RF looks towniest

=> we lynch pr.

2/2

[Tasky]

*: pr did nothing pro-town so far, Ftf was null. RF is my top townread, especially his actions when he was being wagoned looked townish.

[Tasky]

p_r: if AV targets someone not ch, then we can check whether ch is a BPGF (if the other one dies) or exclude that possibility (if the other one doesn't die)

[Tasky]

this

[Tasky]

Vi, I can see a AV-town assumption, but why are you assuming TF town?

[Tasky]

I think we are talking in circles.
how about we just lynch PR?

[Tasky]

a) we lynch one of {PR, ch, RF} today
b) we can still get info on chamber by AV-kill
c) you scummier than RF.
=> we lynch you.

so you think scum={ch, RF, T}?

[Tasky]

unvote,

VOTE: RayFrost

Intake of breath time. If it's Tasky/Chamber/PR, game's over.

indeed.

[Tasky]

overall a very enjoyable game.
I must say I liked the format quite well except when two people kept talking to each other for 3+ pages (nobody specific meant).
compliments to the nice modding too.

thanks all for playing.

[Tasky]

that MD topic was made mainly because of this game.
This game, I asked myself, what would I do if I were town? I answered, I would attack Fonz and AV because of their attack on me. So the point is still valid.
That I was scum is irrelevant, since I did something I thought I would do as town because I think it is the correct town move.

I understand that that topic caused some confusion, but I really wanted to make that before even starting this game, I just never got to it. After being attacked so hard for something I did purposely because I would do it as town, I opened made that post. I would probably not have made it if I was being called out for "pretending to do something townish". I was, however, called out on OMGUS, and I still don't believe that to be a scumtell.

Fixed link. ~~NS

[Tasky]

EBWOP: damn, link fail.

[Tasky]

And to think, at one point I was about ten seconds away from confirm voting Tasky and refusing to move it as long as we both drew breath. The MD thread was a HUGE part of the reason why I backed away, and that leaves a bit of a sour taste in the mouth (as does the fact that I think Tasky made at least one misleading statement in that thread due to being scum here). I also kinda had a power role read on him, because of the five old games of his I read, the only one where he acted even remotely like this was the one where he was tracker.

I just reread the my posts in the MD threat, and none of them in any way relates directly to this game. I meant everything I said, and I still mean it (even if I have been a little convinced on some things, I still don't see OMGUS as a scumtell). As I already said, the main motivation behind that threat was the SC's Worst Nightmare game.
I don't think I made any misleading statement.

I'm sorry this game was somehow involved into a more general dispute, and I can see your sourness. But you also have to see that for me that whole OMGUS business was (and actually still is) a serious issue.

[Tasky]

I think playing this as a large will get incredibly large... there will be so many player spamming the thread, it will become an unreadable mess.
don't forget, we got 120 pages with only 12 players, can't imagine what a 20 player setup could do.
you'd really have to restrict posting in some way. (like: no triple posts and at least 2 other players posting after every two own posts). Or you could add some sort of payment for txt-usage. that way one is encouraged not to post too much. You could make each player have a limited amount of txt's per day. Or something similar.